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US weighing steep nuclear arms cuts
Associated Press ^ | 14 Feb 2012 | ROBERT BURNS

Posted on 02/14/2012 4:08:40 PM PST by rarestia

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Obama administration is weighing options for sharp new cuts to the U.S. nuclear force, including a reduction of up to 80 percent in the number of deployed weapons, The Associated Press has learned.

Even the most modest option now under consideration would be an historic and politically bold disarmament step in a presidential election year, although the plan is in line with President Barack Obama's 2009 pledge to pursue the elimination of nuclear weapons.

No final decision has been made, but the administration is considering at least three options for lower total numbers of deployed strategic nuclear weapons cutting to: 1,000 to 1,100; 700 to 800, and 300 to 400, according to a former government official and a congressional staffer. Both spoke on condition of anonymity in order to reveal internal administration deliberations.

The potential cuts would be from a current treaty limit of 1,550 deployed strategic warheads.

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THIS is treason! He is deliberately bringing us back to the Stone Age.

Where the Hell are the Joint Chiefs?!

1 posted on 02/14/2012 4:08:45 PM PST by rarestia
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To: rarestia

Duplicate... please pull. Sorry.


2 posted on 02/14/2012 4:09:29 PM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
Where the Hell are the Joint Chiefs?!

The whole damn country's been hijacked and we're going to get it back in November.

3 posted on 02/14/2012 4:11:52 PM PST by jersey117 (Perry 2012)
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To: rarestia
The Obama administration is weighing options for sharp new cuts to the U.S. nuclear force, including a reduction of up to 80 percent in the number of deployed weapons.....

I'm fine with this, so long as the 'reductions' consist of launches at certain targets.

4 posted on 02/14/2012 4:16:05 PM PST by edpc (Wilby 2012)
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To: rarestia
2008 Town Hall Meeting, On the Campaign Trail:

ELDERLY WOMAN: Now, this Obama, I know that he's a terrorist...

JOHN MCCAIN: No, dear, Mister Obama is not a terrorist.


5 posted on 02/14/2012 4:17:28 PM PST by AnTiw1 (I lived through a mormon hell, I will not live in a country with a mormon president.)
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To: rarestia

He needs to be Newtered.


6 posted on 02/14/2012 4:18:18 PM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it's the new black. Mmm mmm mmm...)
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To: rarestia

When will all the brass, sitting in the Pentagon and counting the days until retirement, remember that they swore to defend this nation from all enemies, both foreign and domestic?

Gutting our defenses in this dangerous world is exactly what FDR did, thus inviting WWII. Hundreds of thousands of young Americans lost their lives because they were called on to fight for the country that was unprepared to send them to battle. It had spent its money on bread and circuses instead of war material.

Must we keep repeating this insanity on the part of Democrats who run up enormous deficits and then can only cut the military?


7 posted on 02/14/2012 4:24:28 PM PST by txrefugee
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To: rarestia
Organize a multi million armed men march into D.C. and perhaps they will get the point.

If not, remove them from D.C. and start from scratch.

8 posted on 02/14/2012 4:26:30 PM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: rarestia

In related news, Bill Ayers has jumped from a third floor Tampa hotel window to surrender to the Seminoles.

You don’t need a weatherman to see which way the wind’s blowing - The Band


9 posted on 02/14/2012 4:28:58 PM PST by glock rocks (optimist, pessimist? I'm an awesomist - There's a dragon in that glass!)
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To: rarestia

More and more like Jimmy Carter all the time:

1. stagflation
2. hostage crisis (this one Egyptian and less well-known)
3. deep cuts to military
4. calls for stoicism
5. talk about disarmament

new: bisexual & Muslim


10 posted on 02/14/2012 4:31:36 PM PST by gaijin
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To: jersey117
we're going to get it back in November.

We're going to get it back in January -- what's left of it after they spend three months trashing whatever they can still get their hands on.

11 posted on 02/14/2012 4:34:16 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: rarestia
Nothing new...note the date on this graphic...

NukeIdiots


12 posted on 02/14/2012 4:34:27 PM PST by FrankR (You are only enslaved to the extent of the entitlements you receive.)
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To: rarestia

Unilateral disarmament by the Good Cop in a world of increasing nuclear proliferation - what could possibly go wrong? /UltraGigaMegaDrippingSarc


13 posted on 02/14/2012 4:38:49 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Limbaugh: Tim Tebow miracle: "He had atheists praying to God that he would lose.")
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14 posted on 02/14/2012 4:40:46 PM PST by narses
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To: rarestia
He is deliberately bringing us back to the Stone Age.

Well, realistically speaking 200 nuclear warheads on large cities are enough to end civilization as we know it, by ending the world economy and ushering a nuclear winter lasting for years. Maybe it would be more of an ice age than a stone age, but you get the gist.

There is no nation that would attack another nation with 200 nuclear weapons but not one with 2000 (either you're sane and won't attack either or you're crazy and don't care about your own survival). So when it comes to the security and territorial integrity of the US it doesn't make much of a difference.

The real issue here is a psychological one: Namely would states like China interpret this as a sign of weakness and will it hinder the US in projecting power, influencing decision making processes in other regions and accomplishing foreign policy goals.
15 posted on 02/14/2012 4:43:28 PM PST by wolf78 (Inflation is a form of taxation, too. Cranky Libertarian - equal opportunity offender.)
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To: rarestia
Where the Hell are the Joint Chiefs?!

There are a lot of cocktail parties and golf courses in DC. They got to where they are by kissing a$$, and they're not stopping now.

16 posted on 02/14/2012 4:46:52 PM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: rarestia

Our enemies are smiling/laughing right now.


17 posted on 02/14/2012 4:51:15 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: txrefugee
"When will all the brass, sitting in the Pentagon and counting the days until retirement, remember that they swore to defend this nation from all enemies, both foreign and domestic?"

They also swore to defend the Constitution. What exactly do you suggest they do?

18 posted on 02/14/2012 4:53:20 PM PST by mlo
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To: rarestia

This one is scary.


19 posted on 02/14/2012 4:53:20 PM PST by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: rarestia

Hopefully The Kenyan will be out of Office long before he can get any of this started.


20 posted on 02/14/2012 4:56:02 PM PST by CCGuy (USAF (Ret.))
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To: rarestia
The Obama administration is weighing options for sharp new cuts to the U.S. nuclear force, including a reduction of up to 80 percent in the number of deployed weapons, The Associated Press has learned

It's really a no-brainer. We can cut our ongoing maintenence expenses AND at the same time make some quick bucks by selling our nukes to the friendly emerging Muslim Brotherhood nations.

21 posted on 02/14/2012 4:56:36 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: edpc

LOL.

Yeah. The locations Mecca, Medina, Tehran, Qom, Damascus, and Islamabad come immediately to mind.


22 posted on 02/14/2012 5:00:32 PM PST by CCGuy (USAF (Ret.))
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To: rarestia
"The Obama administration is weighing options for sharp new cuts to the U.S. nuclear force, including a reduction of up to 80 percent in the number of deployed weapons, The Associated Press has learned."

He can weigh all the options he wants. Defense budgets have to be passed by Congress. And next year he'll be out of office anyway.

23 posted on 02/14/2012 5:02:31 PM PST by mlo
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To: rarestia

“Where the Hell are the Joint Chiefs?!”

Good question, rarestia.

My theory is that these traitorous clowns actually believe they’re wearing magic ju-ju beads and are immune to bullets. They missed the pictures of Libya’s army of staff getting dragged into the courtyard and getting his brains blown out. They also didn’t pay attention to the militia man in Libya who pulled Kaddhafi’s gold-plated pistol from his holster, slammed him into the SUV hood and blew his brains out.

We are dealing with military moron traitors who believe they won’t be photographed swinging from lampposts.


24 posted on 02/14/2012 5:08:29 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: wolf78

There is no nation that would attack another nation with 200 nuclear weapons but not one with 2000 (either you’re sane and won’t attack either or you’re crazy and don’t care about your own survival). So when it comes to the security and territorial integrity of the US it doesn’t make much of a difference.


Its also how you have them deployed. If an enemy thinks he can take most of them out in a first strike, it might be tempting.


25 posted on 02/14/2012 5:11:52 PM PST by rbg81 (scillian's)
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To: rarestia

I disagree with all US nuclear cuts especially with nations like China,North Korea and Iran building their forces.


26 posted on 02/14/2012 5:29:33 PM PST by U-238
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To: rbg81

This is the Russian view of a nuclear first strike:

“Only the offensive leads to the attainment of victory over the enemy. As a type of combat, the offensive has incontestable advantages over the defense. The attacker has broad capabilities for launching surprise strikes, for the rapid exploitation of the results of nuclear attacks”
Russian military strategist Col. Sidorenko


27 posted on 02/14/2012 5:31:11 PM PST by U-238
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To: All

The Holy Grail, the absolute number one priority of the Communist Party USA has been unilateral nuclear disarmament of the USA.
A sure sign you are dealing with a Communist(I do mean Communist not liberal or left wing)front organization is their support for unilateral disarmament.
They made there big push during Reagen’s first term, it has since been shown that the nuclear freeze movement in Europe and the US along with the nuclear apocalyptic propaganda was financed and orchestrated by Moscow.

There are many scenarios for America’s gradual decline but a depleted US strategic nuclear force with unverified unchecked,inadequately inspected reductions of Soviet weapons and a president with a documented history of Communist influence and sympathies is a formula for America’s instantaneous extermination.

Even as we speak I wonder if the underwater location of our trident submarines is secure with Obama in the White House or if the Soviets have been assured that he would not retaliate but surrender if they attacked. If you are already a Red than there is not even a better dead than red choice to be made.

No one with his background would ever be given a security clearance or allowed any where near any of our strategic weapons. Can you imagine any one with all his close Communist connections being allowed to fly a B-52 or even allowed on a trident submarine.

You can think about the various ways a second Obama term could severely damage America; we are here not talking of damage or the metaphorical death of America, we are here talking about the actual death of virtually every man, woman and child in America.


28 posted on 02/14/2012 5:32:04 PM PST by Jonah Johansen ("Coming soon to a neighborhood near you")
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To: jersey117

We better.


29 posted on 02/14/2012 5:33:34 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: mlo; txrefugee

>>What exactly do you suggest they do?

Resign and go public on what a brain damaged move this is.


30 posted on 02/14/2012 5:39:14 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Travis McGee; Squantos; ATLDiver; trifona; SLB

Ping


31 posted on 02/14/2012 5:41:16 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: rarestia

Barry the Kenyan Guy is going to get all of us killed. I think that’s the plan.


32 posted on 02/14/2012 5:49:11 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Who will subsidize BIG government when "the rich" are all taxed out?)
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To: NonValueAdded
Unilateral disarmament by the Good Cop in a world of increasing nuclear proliferation - what could possibly go wrong? /UltraGigaMegaDrippingSarc

Why, we're just setting a good example for the rest of the world to follow. Nuclear weapons are bad for chil'ren. And for Mother Earth./UltraGigaMegaDrippingLiberalCrap

33 posted on 02/14/2012 5:51:46 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: jersey117
"The whole damn country's been hijacked and we're going to get it back in November."

So Gingrich will be the nominee after all?


34 posted on 02/14/2012 5:54:24 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: wolf78

200 bombs is around how much we have in European bases. A realistic exchange is a 5000 megaton exchage between the Russians and United States. Counting primary and secondary targets in United States there are about 6,000 primary targets. These targets include: ICBM silos and launch centers, air force, navy and army facilities, key military support industries, command and control centers, and political infrastructures.


35 posted on 02/14/2012 5:59:07 PM PST by U-238
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You will also have to include as possible nuclear targets priority on industrial targets which support the military effort including key military support industries, port facilities, fuel refineries, fuel storage facilities, power generating plants, chemical plants and communication facilities.


36 posted on 02/14/2012 6:03:22 PM PST by U-238
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To: wolf78

“There is no nation that would attack another nation with 200 nuclear weapons but not one with 2000 (either you’re sane and won’t attack either or you’re crazy and don’t care about your own survival). So when it comes to the security and territorial integrity of the US it doesn’t make much of a difference.”

The Russians and Chinese would. They have entire strategies written down discussing it.


37 posted on 02/14/2012 6:03:36 PM PST by Apollo5600
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To: rbg81
Its also how you have them deployed. If an enemy thinks he can take most of them out in a first strike, it might be tempting.

Correct. A solid nuclear triad, better delivery capabilities combined with superior conventional weapons and ideally some form of missile defense are vastly preferable to just having more nukes.

Military strength is more than just the size of an arsenal, it's also about political clout, getting other states to isolate your enemy, it's about economical prowess, the ability to sustain a war effort, about technological superiority, the ability to use techonolgy to your advantage, about perception.

The difference between 800 and 1800 nukes alone is meaningless. It's only as part of the bigger equation that it is relevant. Example: the arms race of the 1980s helped the US while hurting Russia. Doing the same thing doesn't lead to the same result. It always depends on the circumstances.

Does that mean I think the US should only have 300 or 800 or whatever number of nukes? Should it have more? Are the circumstances the same as 20 years ago? Is there a new paradigm? I frankly lack the (classified) knowledge to have an definite answer to that. But I thinkt that ONLY discussing the number of nukes is pointless. I'd like to know all the other parameters as well.

As they say: You have to look at the WHOLE chessboard.
38 posted on 02/14/2012 6:06:10 PM PST by wolf78 (Inflation is a form of taxation, too. Cranky Libertarian - equal opportunity offender.)
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To: Apollo5600

We have plans on them.Nuclear Weapons Employment Policy (NUWEP) that specified basic planning assumptions, attack options, targeting objectives, types of targets, targeting constraints, and coordination with combatant commanders


39 posted on 02/14/2012 6:06:17 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

We won’t have plans on them after this.


40 posted on 02/14/2012 6:09:14 PM PST by Apollo5600
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To: Apollo5600

As long there is a JCS, SIOP will exist in some form.


41 posted on 02/14/2012 6:10:43 PM PST by U-238
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To: rarestia

Little education needed here.

* The “nuclear winter” myth is a myth created in commie academic circles and publicized by Hollywood.

* China has several hundred mobiles that can reach any spot in the USA and hit within 200-300 meters.

* Russia has over 4,000 nuclear warheads.

* Iran is probably mounting nukes in Venezuela and has promised to propagate nuclear weapons and technologies to its allies (Syria and others).

* Pakistan has nuclear weapons.

* Most of the constituents valued the most by politicians of both political parties will risk anything to keep their global debt regime going as long as possible. That includes avoiding any confrontation with the likes of Iran at all potential costs.

Have fun. Enjoy the slide and interesting consequences thereafter.


42 posted on 02/14/2012 6:10:52 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Apollo5600
The Russians and Chinese would. They have entire strategies written down discussing it.

Having something written down doesn't mean they'd actually do it. China has 20% of the world population but only 10% of the world's arable land. The Chinese political elite needs trade to feed its people. A nuclear war would result in mass starvation, regional conflict and the likely overthrow of the communist party.


43 posted on 02/14/2012 6:14:40 PM PST by wolf78 (Inflation is a form of taxation, too. Cranky Libertarian - equal opportunity offender.)
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To: rarestia

* Oh, and N. Korea.


44 posted on 02/14/2012 6:21:00 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/Minuteman_launch_key.jpg/220px-Minuteman_launch_key.jpg
45 posted on 02/14/2012 6:21:11 PM PST by U-238
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To: Jonah Johansen
Even as we speak I wonder if the underwater location of our trident submarines is secure with Obama in the White House or if the Soviets have been assured that he would not retaliate but surrender if they attacked.

Doe Obama know where all of them are at?

I'd imagine that this line of thought would have come up with Jimmy Carter in the White House.

46 posted on 02/14/2012 6:23:27 PM PST by WPaCon
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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/Minuteman_launch_key.jpg/220px-Minuteman_launch_key.jpg
47 posted on 02/14/2012 6:25:25 PM PST by U-238
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To: rarestia

I suppose that once again- Congress will have no say, and that congress does not even want to have a say.


48 posted on 02/14/2012 6:27:04 PM PST by Revel
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To: WPaCon

Usually, at least five of the 18 Trident submarines are on patrol in the Atlantic and Pacific at any given moment. Locations are classified.


49 posted on 02/14/2012 6:31:31 PM PST by U-238
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To: rarestia

Reminds me of the movie “Seven Days in May”.


50 posted on 02/14/2012 6:32:54 PM PST by Da Coyote
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