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Gingrich says Santorum 'completely misunderstands' modern warfare
First Read ^ | 2-14-12 | Moe

Posted on 02/14/2012 7:20:22 PM PST by VinL

Newt Gingrich criticized Republican rival Rick Santorum on Tuesday afternoon for his “complete misunderstanding of modern warfare” over the former Pennsylvania senator’s remarks on women in combat.

Santorum on Thursday said he had “concerns about women in frontline combat.”

“I think that could be a very compromising situation … where people naturally, you know, may do things that may not be in the interests of the mission because of other types of emotions that are involved,” Santorum told CNN’s John King.

Gingrich fired back at Santorum, calling his credentials to be commander in chief into question during a press availability at the Tulare World Ag expo during his four-day swing in California.

“We should be very proud of the men and women who put on the American uniform and risk their lives in order to protect this country,” Gingrich told reporters. “I just think that Rick completely misunderstands the nature of modern warfare by his comments.”

The former House speaker... said he believes no matter where you are wearing the U.S. military uniform, you are in combat – something Santorum should understand.

“Whatever your technical assignment, whether you’re a truck driver or you’re working with logistics, or you’re a military person, you’re in combat. And I think that we have to understand that from day one,” Gingrich said.

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1 posted on 02/14/2012 7:20:32 PM PST by VinL
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To: VinL

I’m sure that’s why Jerry Boykin endorsed Santorum.


2 posted on 02/14/2012 7:22:04 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: VinL

Gigrich is a historian and would have a better grasp on military history.


3 posted on 02/14/2012 7:22:20 PM PST by U-238
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To: VinL

Newt doing his Barack Obama imitation again? How anybody could have sworn fealty to this guy is beyond me.


4 posted on 02/14/2012 7:23:28 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: VinL

Newt misspoke badly here. Santorum wasn’t talking about “women’s emotions”. He was talking about emotions of ATTRACTION between men and women. He has just before that spoke about comraderie between male soldiers. And he was right.


5 posted on 02/14/2012 7:24:04 PM PST by montag813
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To: VinL
Newt being a hypocrite...

Gingrich's 'Piggies' Poked

6 posted on 02/14/2012 7:24:27 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: VinL
From the recent vets I have worked with, Newt is right. "Front line" doesn't mean much anymore. OTOH Santorum is right, that when you introduce sex into the equation, unwanted shit begins to happen, front line or general's office.
7 posted on 02/14/2012 7:24:46 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: jwalsh07
Newt doing his Barack Obama imitation again? How anybody could have sworn fealty to this guy is beyond me.

He is just clueless. It reminds me of when he criticized Cain for joking about Anita Hill. Is he a feminist now? WTF?

8 posted on 02/14/2012 7:25:45 PM PST by montag813
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To: Joe 6-pack

This is the new “softer” tone.


9 posted on 02/14/2012 7:27:10 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: VinL

“Modern Warfare” is the politically correct way of addressing conflict in the world.

Women have no place in direct combat. None whatsoever.


10 posted on 02/14/2012 7:27:53 PM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: VinL

Poor Newt. So smart, yet can’t get this to work.


11 posted on 02/14/2012 7:28:35 PM PST by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: VinL

Santorum also completely misunderstands fiscal conservatism.


12 posted on 02/14/2012 7:29:28 PM PST by BuckeyeTexan (Man is not free unless government is limited. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: hinckley buzzard
when you introduce sex into the equation, unwanted shit begins to happen, front line or general's office.

Back in 08, Duncan Hunter spoke about the problems with unit cohesion that could result with gays openly serving in the military.

As far as women are concerned, 6 from our local NG just deployed to Afghanistan. I must admit that I'm concerned because they left desk jobs to go out on patrols in Afghanistan to bring female faces to the back country villages. They say its not combat, but if they're going out on patrol, combat can come to them.
13 posted on 02/14/2012 7:32:46 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Bryan24

Agreed...whether because of chivalry or raging gonads

I sensed RS was thinking chivalry, but that may not exist much anymore.


14 posted on 02/14/2012 7:36:48 PM PST by chiller ( Elect another batch of TPartiers and it won't matter which R we elect. WE will lead.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Santorum’s actual voting record. Quite stellar......if you are a Democrat or Liberal Republican that is.......

See for yourself.

NEA
Voted for taxpayer funding of the National Endowment for the Arts.
Voted against a 10% cut in the budget for National Endowment for the Arts.

Bankruptcy
Voted for a Schumer amendment to make the debts of pro-life demonstrators not dischargeable in bankruptcy.

Defense and Foreign Policy

Voted for the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC).
Voted against requiring the President to certify that the CWC is effectively verifiable.

Voted against requiring the President to certify that that Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya, North Korea, China, and all other countries determined to be state sponsors of terror have joined CWC prior to submitting the instrument of ratification.

Voted for the START II Treaty
Voted to allow the sale of supercomputers to China.
Voted to ban antipersonnel landmines
Voted against increasing defense spending offset by equivalent cuts in non-defense spending.
Voted to require that Federal bureaucrats get the same payraises as uniformed military.
Voted to allow food and medicine sales to state sponsors of terror and tyranical regimes such as Libya and Cuba.
Voted to limit the President’s authority to impose sanctions on nations for reasons of national security unless the sanctions were approved by a multilateral regime.
Voted against requiring Congressional authorization for military action in Bosnia.
Voted to give $25 million in foreign aid to North Korea
Voted to weaken alien terrorist deportation provisions. If the Court determines that the evidence must be withheld for national security reasons, the Justice Department must still provide a summary of the evidence sufficient for the alien terrorist to mount a defense against deportation.
Voted against delaying the India Nuclear until the President certified that India had agreed to suspend military-to-military exchanges with Iran.
Voted against the Conventional Trident Missile Program

Nominations
Voted for Richard Paez to the 9th Curcuit (cloture)
Voted for Sonia Sotomayor, Circuit Judge
Voted for Richard Holbrooke to be Ambassador to the UN
Voted for Margaret Morrow to be District Judge
Voted twice for Marsha Berzon to the 9thg Circuit
Voted for Mary McLaughlin to be District Judge
Voted for Tim Dyk to be District Judge
Voted for James Brady to be District Judge

Labor
Voted against National Right to Work Act
Voted against Real of Davis-Bacon Prevailing union wages
Voted for Alexis Herman to be Secretary of Labor
Voted for mandatory Federal child care funding
Voted for Trade Adjustment Assistance.
Voted for Job Corps funding
Voted twice in support of Fedex Unionization
Voted against allowing a waiver of Davis-Bacon in emergency situations.
Voted for minimum wage increases six times here here here here here and here
Voted to require a union representative on an IRS oversight board.
Voted to exempt IRS union representative from criminal ethics laws.
Voted against creating independent Board of Governors to investigate IRS abuses.
Guns

Voted to require pawn shops to do background checks on people who pawn a gun.
Voted twice to make it illegal to sell a gun without a secure storage or safety device
Voted for a Federal ban on possession of “assault weapons” by those under 18.
Voted for Federal funding for anti-gun education programs in schools.
Voted for anti-gun juvenile justice bill.

Reform

Voted for funding for the legal services corporation.
Voted twice for a Congressional payraise.
Voted to impose a uniform Federal mandate on states to force them to allow convicted rapits, arsonists, drug kingpins, and all other ex-convicts to vote in Federal elections.
Voted for the Specter “backup plan” to allow campaign finance reform to survive if portions of the bill were found unconstitutional.
Voted to mandate discounted broadcast times for politicians.
Voted for a McCain amendment to require State and local campaign committees to report all campaign contributions to the FEC and to require all campaign contributions to be reported to the FEC within 24 hours within 90 days of an election.

Immigration
Voted against increasing the number of immigration investigators
Voted to allow illegal immigrants to receive the earned income credit before becoming citizens
Voted to give SSI benefits to legal aliens.
Voted to give welfare benefits to naturalized citizens without regard to to the earnings of their sponsors.
Voted against hiring an additional 1,000 border partrol agents, paid for by reductions in state grants.

Taxes
Voted against a flat tax.
Voted to increase tobacco taxes to pay for Medicare prescription drugs
Voted to increase tobacco taxes to fund health insurance subsidies for small businesses.
Voted to increase tobacco taxes to pay for an $8 billion increase in child healh insurance.
Voted to increase tobacco taxes to pay for an increase in NIH funding.
Voted twice for internet taxes.
Voted to allow gas tax revenues to be used to subsidize Amtrak.
Voted to strike marriage penalty tax relief and instead provide fines on tobacco companies.
Voted against repealing the Clinton 4.3 cent gas tax increase.
Voted to increase taxes by $2.3 billion to pay for an Amtrak trust fund.
Voted to allow welfare to a minor who had a child out of wedlock and who resided with an adult who was on welfare within the previous two years.
Voted to increase taxes by $9.4 billion to pay for a $9.4 billion increase in student loans.
Voted to say that AMT patch is more important than capital gains and dividend relief.

Welfare
Voted against food stamp reform
Voted against Medicaid reform
Voted against TANF reform
Voted to increase the Social Services Block Grant from $1 billion to $2 billion
Voted to increase the FHA loan from $170,000 to $197,000. Also opposed increasing GNMA guaranty from 6 basis points to 12.
Voted for $2 billion for low income heating assistance.

Waste
Sponsored An amendment to increase Amtrak funds by $550 million
Voted to use HUD funds for the Joslyn Art Museum (NE), the Stand Up for Animals project (RI) and the Seattle Art Museum’s Olympic Sculpture Project (WA)
Voted to increase spending on social programs by $7 billion
Voted to increase NIH funding by $1.6 billion.
Voted to increase NIHnding by $700 million
Voted to for a $2 million earmark to renovate the Vulcan Monument (AL)
Voted for a $1 billion bailout for the steel industry
Voted against requiring that highway earmarks would come out of a state’s highway allocation
Voted to allow Market Access Program funds to go to foreign companies.
Voted to allow OPIC to increase its administrative costs by 50%
Voted against transferring $20 million from Americorps to veterans.
Voted for the $140 billion asbestos compensation bill.
Voted against requiring a uniform medical criteria to ensure asbestos claims were legitimate.
Voted to increase community development programs by $2 billion.

Spending and Entitlements
Voted to make Medicare part B premium subsidies an new entitlement.
Voted against paying off the debt ($5.6 trillion at the time) within 30 years.
Voted to give $18 billion to the IMF.
Voted to raid Social Security instead of using surpluses to pay down the debt.

Health Care
Voted to allow states to impose health care mandates that are stricter than proposed new Federal mandates, but not weaker.
Voted twice for Federal mental health parity mandates in health insurance.
Voted against a allow consumers the option to purchase a plan outside the parity mandate.

Education
Voted to increase Federal funding for teacher testing
Voted to increase spending for the Department of Education by $3.1 billion.
Voted against requiring courts to consider the impact of IDEA awards on a local school district.

Energy

Voted to allow the President to designate certain sites as interim nuclear waste storage sites in the event that he determines that Yucca Mountain is not a suitable site for a permanent waste repository. Those sites are as follows: the nuclear waste site in Hanford, Washington; the Savannah River Site in South Carolina; Barnwell County, South Carolina; and the Oak Ridge Reservation in Tennessee.

Voted to make fuel price gouging a Federal crime.


15 posted on 02/14/2012 7:40:29 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Santorum also completely misunderstands fiscal conservatism.

Yeah, just like Reagan and both Bushes.

16 posted on 02/14/2012 7:40:33 PM PST by montag813
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To: VinL

Newt’s right.


17 posted on 02/14/2012 7:40:44 PM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it's the new black. Mmm mmm mmm...)
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To: Bryan24

You said it.


18 posted on 02/14/2012 7:41:01 PM PST by liberalism is suicide (Communism,fascism-no matter how you slice socialism, its still baloney)
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To: chiller; All

OK, I am a POW and a female is being tortured and raped in front of me.

Am I more willing to spill my guts, and tell the enemy what they want, than if a man was being tortured?

I think I would be!

Does this make me a bad guy?

(I support Newt but he is wrong on this one!)


19 posted on 02/14/2012 7:41:13 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: jwalsh07

Why don’t you ask JimRob?


20 posted on 02/14/2012 7:41:43 PM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it's the new black. Mmm mmm mmm...)
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To: ReneeLynn
Newt’s right.

Right about what? His misquote of Santorum? Rick wasn't talking about womens' abilities, but about sexual attraction issues.

21 posted on 02/14/2012 7:42:18 PM PST by montag813
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To: U-238

Gingrich knows what is going on in the world far better than Santorum. Santorum seems like a light weight to me. I really hope Newt can pull it off.


22 posted on 02/14/2012 7:43:22 PM PST by dandiegirl
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To: VinL
“The former House speaker... said he believes no matter where you are wearing the U.S. military uniform, you are in combat – something Santorum should understand.”

If quoted correctly, his belief is wrong. If he had said “your are at war” it would have been OK. But the uniformed person working stateside is no more in combat than the civil service person who might be working right next to him.

23 posted on 02/14/2012 7:43:46 PM PST by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: ReneeLynn

I like and respect Jim Robinson but if you think I fear him you’re out of your ever loving mind.


24 posted on 02/14/2012 7:44:35 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: montag813

I don’t think it’s a misquote at all. And since when are we muslims who think that their attraction to a woman is the woman’s fault? Should we have our military women wear burkas? How about keep it in your pants, soldier Sir?


25 posted on 02/14/2012 7:44:47 PM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it's the new black. Mmm mmm mmm...)
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To: montag813

There is also the natural emotion of men to be protectors of women and of women seeking that protection. Additionally there is the real difference between men and women that men tend to be task oriented and readily accepting of hierarchy while women tend to be relationally oriented and resistant to hierarchy. Nor should we discount the physical demands that still exist even in modern combat.

It is time that we drop the PC foolishness that men and women interchangeable beings with only superficial physical differences. Indeed if anything this attitude is demeaning to women since it discounts the values and contributions of the true feminine, seeking instead to force women to become ersatz men.


26 posted on 02/14/2012 7:45:31 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Heh...you never learn.

"The big money is already headed Perry's way. From Big Oil to Coal, to Industry. An 11 year Governor from a state the size and complexity of Texas, with an extremely solid economic record, is what will win this election. "

"Keep on shooting insults with those who don't agree with you. That will surely guarantee your candidate a win."

27 posted on 02/14/2012 7:46:15 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: ReneeLynn
And since when are we muslims who think that their attraction to a woman is the woman’s fault?

Where did he say that? Rick did NOT. But I ask you...why do we need women on the battlefield? Why take chances of emotions - yes, of men - getting in the way when it is kill or be killed, often within a microsecond.

28 posted on 02/14/2012 7:48:40 PM PST by montag813
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To: VinL

The number of women stepping forward to serve on the front lines of combat will be very few, so we’re not talking about women making a huge contribution here. And, as we’ve heard, the number of combat troops will be shrinking, so it’s not as though we are like Israel having to make up for a small population.

Given that, why would we want to risk our readiness and effectiveness on a risky social experiment. The best fighting force is an all male one, possessed with testosterone, comraderie and physical strength, without opposite-sex diversions.


29 posted on 02/14/2012 7:48:48 PM PST by omni-scientist
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To: VinL
A group of WASPs (Women Airforce Service Pilots) in front of USAAF B-17 appropriately named, "Pistol Packin Mama." in WWII


30 posted on 02/14/2012 7:49:55 PM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: montag813
The other side of this issue is ? why would our country send women into combat and see them get slaughtered like hamburger ? and the emotions that are involved with this concerning men ?
Look at China's one child policy, and the decline of the population in Russia, ask them how that is working out for them.
Biologically speaking, men are more expendable than woman are because women are the procreation cradle of life.
Any nation that sends it's women into the front lines of battle will see a decline of their society, and influence in the world.
We are talking about sending our women into conflict on the front lines here where men will naturally have emotions to defend the women and compromise the mission.
31 posted on 02/14/2012 7:50:42 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: dandiegirl

If you want to see Newt Gingrich give a historical perspective in a TV movie watch “Countdown to Looking Glass” which is available on You Tube. It is about a hypothetical nuclear conflict in the Strait of Hormuz


32 posted on 02/14/2012 7:51:11 PM PST by U-238
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To: jwalsh07
Jim Robinson endorsed Newt Gingrich. He, WE want Newt Gingrich and ONLY Newt Gingrich to be the next President of the United States of America in 2013. You obviously do not want that. Why not find a site that promotes your candidate instead of bashing the endorsed candidate of Free Republic?

What part of Jim's, I OFFICIALLY endorse Newt Gingrich for President is hard to understand?

WE WANT NEWT GINGRICH to be the next PRESIDENT of the United States. We want Newt to move into the White House. We want him to FIRE every Czar on day one. We want Newt Gingrich to become the next Presdient of the United States of America.

We want Newt to win. Free Republic is


33 posted on 02/14/2012 7:52:09 PM PST by show
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To: show; Jim Robinson

While JimRob did endorse Newt, he also stated that he would be fine with a Santorum presidency. He even suggested that if Rick’s momentum stays strong he might vote for him in the California primary.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2845965/posts?page=6#6


34 posted on 02/14/2012 7:56:59 PM PST by ConservativeTeen (Proud Right Wing Extremist)
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To: U-238
“I think that could be a very compromising situation … where people naturally, you know, may do things that may not be in the interests of the mission because of other types of emotions that are involved,” Santorum told CNN’s John King.

“We should be very proud of the men and women who put on the American uniform and risk their lives in order to protect this country,” Gingrich told reporters. “I just think that Rick completely misunderstands the nature of modern warfare by his comments.”

The 1991 Gulf War proved to be the pivotal time for the role of women in the American Armed forces to come to the attention of the world media. Over 40,000 women served in almost every role the armed forces had to offer. However, while many came under fire, they were not permitted to participate in deliberate ground engagements. Despite this, there are many reports of women engaging enemy forces during the conflict.

2005, the first all female C-130 Hercules crew to serve a combat mission for the U.S. Air Force.


35 posted on 02/14/2012 7:57:40 PM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: montag813

I think Newt’s point was that they don’t ‘need’ to be on the battlefield itself. That’s what he’s saying in response to Santorum. They’re serving no matter where they are even if it’s not at the front lines.


36 posted on 02/14/2012 7:59:05 PM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it's the new black. Mmm mmm mmm...)
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To: show

I don’t swear fealty oaths to men I neither respect nor trust. Newt falls into that category. You don’t like that? I feel your pain. But by all means, hike up your pants so your panties meet your prostate gland, throw on the pocket protector and go get the principal.


37 posted on 02/14/2012 7:59:15 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: omni-scientist
The best fighting force is an all male one, possessed with testosterone, comraderie and physical strength, without opposite-sex diversions.

Which is exactly why liberals hate the military.

38 posted on 02/14/2012 8:00:44 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: jwalsh07

You impugned the intelligence of anyone supporting Newt. JimRob has endorsed him. So, you’re saying that Jim is stupid?


39 posted on 02/14/2012 8:00:52 PM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it's the new black. Mmm mmm mmm...)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner; Timber Rattler
“A nightstick the size of a telephone pole and the muscle to wield it effortlessly.”


Annoy liberals and the GOP-E,
Vote for Newt & Support Free Republic!


40 posted on 02/14/2012 8:01:08 PM PST by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: Marguerite

I guess Rick forgot about female combat pilots. If I’m not mistaken the fly jets and hellos.


41 posted on 02/14/2012 8:03:06 PM PST by Clyde5445
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To: ConservativeTeen; Jim Robinson

Yah, but is he fine with all the Newt attackers who hide under the safety of being Santorum supporters? They’re getting worse than Mittbots. They post anti-Newt threads all the time and come in on Newt threads to tell us all what idiots we are for supporting him.


42 posted on 02/14/2012 8:03:31 PM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it's the new black. Mmm mmm mmm...)
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To: Marguerite

Your daughters signed up for the infantry yet? My wife, an Army vet like me is LOL at the notion that some people can’t get it through their thick skulls that men and women are different. Women can serve honorably in the Army but they can’t, and shouldn’t do, what men can and have to do.


43 posted on 02/14/2012 8:04:40 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: dandiegirl

You have to understand Santorum thinking, even if he guarded himself so far saying it openly. If you gather his quotes about women, you’ll patch just that up.

He even suggested that Sarah Palin should stay home and take care of her five kids ...

His idea about women is - they should stay home, breed children and spend their whole life tending to them. Just like his wife does.


44 posted on 02/14/2012 8:06:24 PM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Timber Rattler; PSYCHO-FREEP

PSYCHO-FREEP has nothing to do with Santorum’s voting record.

Santorum is a humorless Bush reincarnate. We need new direction.


45 posted on 02/14/2012 8:08:07 PM PST by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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To: Clyde5445

Yeah, and I’m told they do it with 70 pound packs and 80 pounds of body armor and ammo carrying a SAW while forced marching 20 miles. Regular Rambolinas.


46 posted on 02/14/2012 8:10:11 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: VinL

Newt is wrong. Often.


47 posted on 02/14/2012 8:10:51 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Clyde5445

It is barbaric to send women into combat. Only weak and reprobate nations are guilty of the practice. Good and strong nations protect their women.

And regarding the picture of WASPS—the women were not used in combat but to ferry aircraft.

Sorry if you disagree—You are wrong.


48 posted on 02/14/2012 8:10:51 PM PST by TFMcGuire (Liberalism Is Hatred)
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To: ConservativeTeen

We want Newt Gingrich to be President of the United States of America in 2013.


49 posted on 02/14/2012 8:11:55 PM PST by show
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To: VinL

Newt is wrong. Of course, I’ve only got 25 years in, my Dad had 27, son has done tours in Iraq & Afghanistan, daughter was in the USMC, son-in-law 2 tours in Fallujah with Marine Infantry...guess I just don’t know much about modern combat.


50 posted on 02/14/2012 8:13:09 PM PST by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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