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True believer: How Mitt Romney... by wearing special Mormon underwear
UK Daily Mail ^ | February 14, 2012 | Graham Smith

Posted on 02/15/2012 6:27:18 AM PST by C19fan

The Mormon faith of presidential candidate Mitt Romney has been one of the hot topics throughout the Republican's campaign. But a recent photo posted on social network website Twitter took speculation about the strength of his religious beliefs to new heights. It shows the GOP nominee wearing an unbuttoned white shirt with his Mormon underwear clearly visible underneath. Also known as a Temple garment, it typically covers the shoulders and extends to the knees, in deference to rules surrounding the Church of the Latter Day Saints' temples.

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Secret magical underwear revealed!
1 posted on 02/15/2012 6:27:25 AM PST by C19fan
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To: C19fan

So if the Beatles had a “Magical Musical Mystery Tour” Mittens is on a “Magical Mystery Underwear Tour”?
Freegards
Lex


2 posted on 02/15/2012 6:32:08 AM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: C19fan

When worn with a button up, or even a pull over shirt, it simply looks like a T-Shirt underneath.

Many people wear white t-shirts underneath their normal shirts, and unless someone wants to make his religion an issue, it should not matter.

And, in fact, IMHO, it really shouldn’t be an issue. What are his stances on the issues, how firm is he in those stances, what is his record...those are the real issues. That’s why, here in Idaho, and particularly because of those last two questions (how firm he is, and his past record) I will be voting for Rick Santorum or Newt over Romney...not because of his underclothes.

Now, if he happens to be the nominee against Obama, I will support him against the abject marxist...but am doing all I can to try and keep that from happening.

And I say that as an active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.


3 posted on 02/15/2012 6:34:45 AM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: C19fan

It looks more like a white T-shirt that I wear most everyday under my shirts and I am not a Mormon. Romney’s choice of underwear is irrelevant just as much as the boxers or briefs question posed to Clinton. If we only paid half as much attention to the candidates record and policies we might get better nominees. PS I am not a Romney supporter either.


4 posted on 02/15/2012 6:36:27 AM PST by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that pretty soon you run out of other people's money" M. Thatcher)
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To: C19fan

Actually Mitt’s underwear is close to the bottom of topics in the world which concern me at the moment. Perhaps ranking even lower than Whitney Houston.


5 posted on 02/15/2012 6:36:56 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: C19fan

Okay, how long before he gets a call from Armani?..............Photoshop anybody?............

6 posted on 02/15/2012 6:37:31 AM PST by Red Badger (If you are unemployed long enough, you are no longer unemployed.)
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To: Red Badger; SpinnerWebb
Red,

...and you happen to have this photo in your collection because ????

Just askin'

7 posted on 02/15/2012 6:48:34 AM PST by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: Jeff Head

“Many people wear white t-shirts underneath their normal shirts, and unless someone wants to make his religion an issue, it should not matter.”

With all due respect, Jeff, don’t you think Obama and the rats will make his religion an issue?
Since Obama cannot run on his record, word is he will pull out the race card big time.

‘Until 1978, the LDS church banned men of African descent from its priesthood, a position open to nearly all Mormon males and the gateway to sacramental and leadership roles. The church had also barred black men and women from temple ceremonies that promised access in the afterlife to the highest heaven.’

http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2012-02-01/mormon-romney-black/52920394/1


8 posted on 02/15/2012 7:01:03 AM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: onyx; STARWISE; maggief; Mountain Mary; penelopesire; MinuteGal; Liz

Can’t think this thread will ever be as much fun as we had with Brown’s pictures.


9 posted on 02/15/2012 7:02:11 AM PST by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: C19fan

Really, is this important?

Admittedly, I did not go to the link to read the whole piece.

But I must say that I am sickened by the attacks on Romney’s religion. From what little I know of Mormonism, I think it is a strange religion, but I usually find it very distasteful to mock people for their religious beliefs.

The tenets of Mormonism are not a threat to America or to Western Civilization, AFAIK, unlike mohammedism. And it seems like those who follow Mormonism are upstanding members of society.


10 posted on 02/15/2012 7:09:35 AM PST by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: Bigg Red

PS:I am by no means a Romney supporter.


11 posted on 02/15/2012 7:10:26 AM PST by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: patriot08

I believe they will only go there as a matter of last resort because it would open up his own can of worms regarding Black Liberation Theology which openly teaches against America and where he sat for 20 years listening to the most hateful screeds against this country imaginable.

That’s never been truly vetted enough and Romney will have the money and will to do if necessary.

There’s plenty more to go after Romney on, as I indicated, and they will have a hay day with that unless Romney can make some kind of defense and turn the tables on Obama with his own abysmal, anti-American, economy killing record as President.


12 posted on 02/15/2012 7:41:02 AM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

“I believe they will only go there as a matter of last resort because it would open up his own can of worms regarding Black Liberation Theology which openly teaches against America and where he sat for 20 years listening to the most hateful screeds against this country imaginable.”

Good point.


13 posted on 02/15/2012 7:51:00 AM PST by Fu-fu2
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To: patriot08
"With all due respect, Jeff, don’t you think Obama and the rats will make his religion an issue? Since Obama cannot run on his record, word is he will pull out the race card big time."
‘Until 1978, the LDS church banned men of African descent from its priesthood,"...
I'm no fan of Romney but the answer is
..."For 20 years, until 2008, Barack Hussein Obama was a member of of a "Church", indeed was married in this "Church" that claims to this day that America intentionally spread AIDS in the Black Community, that supports Hamas over Israel, and that blames America for the 9/11 attacks. And afaik, Barack Hussein Obama has never denounced that Church or it's leaders."
PS: Every religious Jew on FR (and around the world) wears a "special Jewish t-shirt."
14 posted on 02/15/2012 7:56:56 AM PST by Yehuda
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To: Yehuda

True about Omuslim and his ‘church’, but no candidate has the guts to attack him on this issue.
(Well, maybe Newt- but I wouldn’t count on it)


15 posted on 02/15/2012 8:16:47 AM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: hoosiermama

16 posted on 02/15/2012 8:20:38 AM PST by maggief
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To: Yehuda; Bigg Red; C19fan
PS: Every religious Jew on FR (and around the world) wears a "special Jewish t-shirt."

I'm wearing one right now, as I type this.

For those believers in Jesus who are not Mormon, I would remind you that Jesus would also have worn the same "special Jewish t-shirt" as Orthodox Jews do today.

The tenets of Mormonism are not a threat to America or to Western Civilization, AFAIK, unlike mohammedism. And it seems like those who follow Mormonism are upstanding members of society.

I think that I'd have to agree with that.

Let's get off of the religion nonsense and keep our focus on what is important here - we're in the process of electing a President, not the country's moral leader.

17 posted on 02/15/2012 8:22:37 AM PST by Ancesthntr (Bibi to Odumbo: Its not going to happen.)
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To: Jeff Head

I don’t think any of the candidates have the guts to attack Obama on his ‘church’- except maybe Newt.

I’d pay to see a candidate confront him with his life
long association with Muslims, Communists and radicals,
his going to Kenya and campaigning for the murderous Odinga on the taxpayor’s dime etc, etc. It will never happen.


18 posted on 02/15/2012 8:22:53 AM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: C19fan

And pious Jews wear tallitot and teffilin. So what?


19 posted on 02/15/2012 8:24:20 AM PST by onedoug
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To: patriot08

Then none of them deserve to be our candidate. Lets just forget it and let Øbullcrap have another 4 years.

/s.

THIS TIME, no matter WHO the candidate is, we will not let his “advisors” tell us what we can and cannot bring up in the campaign.


20 posted on 02/15/2012 8:28:03 AM PST by Yehuda
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To: Jeff Head
And, in fact, IMHO, it really shouldn’t be an issue.

It should, especially when Romney claims to be part of the "true church" and the world over knows that Jesus never mentioned magical underwear as being important to the life of a believer. In fact, the world over knows this is just a cult practice and makes Romney look nuts.

And if a president is going to wear magical underwear, he might as well wear a metal hat to protect himself from those evil alien scanning rays.

On the bright side, the more Romney is in the news, the more he exposes the silliness of Mormonism.

It will be nice to see some mindless mormon zombies wake up and research the difference between the bible and the mormon bibles and how they contradict each other.

22 posted on 02/15/2012 8:49:33 AM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: C19fan

According to Joseph Smith, the Garden of Eden was located in Independence, Missouri. After they were expelled, Adam and Eve were given the sacred long johns with Masonic symbols to cover their nakedness.

23 posted on 02/15/2012 9:34:22 AM PST by Zakeet (The idiot Wee Wee is to leadership as an Etch-A-Sketch is to art)
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To: patriot08
Amen. I have had my site:

THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH ABOUT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

up since his nomination exposing all of those things you mention.

I will say that Sean Hannity back in 2008 did try and make an issue of most of it...but the vast majority of the media ignored it completely.

Obama's entire life history is one constant screed against America, and now he is President and enacting it in law when he can (unconstitutional law I might add) and by Presidential directive or executive order fiat when he can't. Equally unconstitutional.

He should be tried and impeached and out of office in abject disgrace, with criminal prosecution to follow for his and Holders crimes against this nation, its constitution and her people.

24 posted on 02/15/2012 9:41:06 AM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Bigg Red
From what little I know of Mormonism, I think it is a strange religion, but I usually find it very distasteful to mock people for their religious beliefs.

(As long as you're consistent...not sure we've seen on the Obama-Rev. Jeremiah Wright threads of 2008 advocating that FREEPERs "lay off" Rev. Wright & Obama...come to think of it, can't say you've been "out there" on threads telling people who comment upon Muslims' alleged "72 virgins" awaiting them...Is it only Romney threads where you rush in to indirectly defend Mormonism...or do you defend all religions with equal temerity...like Rev. Wright & his UCC church & Islam, too?)

25 posted on 02/15/2012 9:42:17 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Ancesthntr

Amen and spot on. BZ.


26 posted on 02/15/2012 9:42:23 AM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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THX 1138


27 posted on 02/15/2012 9:43:45 AM PST by svcw (Only difference between Romney & BH is one thinks he will be god & other one thinks he already is.)
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To: Ancesthntr

In this case, it’s not about Romney. It is about hatred of Mormon(ISM as the haters call it). There are plenty of valid reasons to ridicule and discount Romney without resorting to zealous hatred. I’m not Mormon, but this is disgusting... I’d prefer to promote the good things Newt can do instead of casting doubt on Romney because of some nutty connection with underwear.


28 posted on 02/15/2012 9:48:36 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: C19fan

29 posted on 02/15/2012 9:49:04 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Jeff Head

I’m with you Jeff.

I got ten issues against Mitt before I ever think about his religion and even then it’s not a consideration as to my objection of his as a candidate.

Being LDS ain’t a problem.

Being a multiple choice candidate who stands for nothing more than himself is the problem.


30 posted on 02/15/2012 9:53:58 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Jeff Head

A cult leader wearing magical garments hidden under his clothes, and wearing them for a mandatory 24 yours a day is a big revelation to many Americans who are trying to evaluate whether they should choose him to lead our nation, and who thought that he was merely a guy who happened to be born into a Mormon family.

That leads to learning that he is a Bishop, and is a powerful figure in that religion, and then they find out that he had a private meeting with his “Prophet” before he would run for President.

The more we learn about Romney and his unique religion, the more bizarre and alien he seems.


31 posted on 02/15/2012 10:31:08 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: dragonblustar

Catholic doctrine is that they are the true church.

Collectively, all Christians say they are the “true” church (which I agree with because Jesus Christ is my perosnal Savior).

Devout Jews wear special shirts and caps and believe they have the truth.

Are all to be rejected by anyone not belonging to or adhereing to the same religious practise because of their religion?

You can’t have it both ways and maintain any reasonable discourse or position.

Come on...this is not the issue, nor should it be as long as the religion is not calling for an overthrow of constitutional government (liek Sharia La2w does), or criminally infringe on the rights of others. The more some folks try and make it the issue the more bigoted and rediculous they look. Allow the man to worship as he pleases and go after him on the correct issues in a presidential election...his stances on the issues and his record.

Romney is saying some good things now, but his history has not been what he is now saying and I personally, if I don’t have to, would rather have someone with a long record of not only saying it, but proving it by what he or she has done.

On that basis, I as an active member of the same Chruch (LDS) will vote for Santorum here in Idaho over Romney.

If we fail and Romney becomes the nominee, I will vote for him over Obama because what Obama represents is another order of magnitude worse.


32 posted on 02/15/2012 10:31:36 AM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: onedoug
And pious Jews wear tallitot and teffilin. So what?

Pious Jews worship God, they don't worship to become Gods themselves.

33 posted on 02/15/2012 10:36:09 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: Jeff Head
And, in fact, IMHO, it really shouldn’t be an issue.

What about any VOWS and/or COVENANTS he has made in the TEMPLE®?

Would THEY be an 'issue' that should matter?

Is Mitt a Man of his Word?

34 posted on 02/15/2012 10:41:16 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Jeff Head
And I say that as an active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. HMMMmmm... active...


Do YOU have a Temple Recommend?

Are YOU wearing the 'garment' right now?

Do YOU abstain from eating MEAT during warm weather?

35 posted on 02/15/2012 10:42:56 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: hoosiermama

It’s early yet!


36 posted on 02/15/2012 10:44:23 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Bigg Red
From what little I know of Mormonism, I think it is a strange religion, but I usually find it very distasteful to mock people for their religious beliefs.

I guess that SLC Headquarters will be hearing from you?



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

37 posted on 02/15/2012 10:46:09 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Bigg Red
The tenets of Mormonism are not a threat to America or to Western Civilization, AFAIK, unlike mohammedism.

“I Will Be a Second Mohammed”

In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1]

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.

  • Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

  • Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

  • Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

  • As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.

  • Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]

  • Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

  • Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, look to Alī ibn Abī Ṭālib, whom they consider Divinely appointed, as the rightful successor to Muhammad, and the first imam. (Ali was the cousin and son-in-law of the Islamic prophet Muhammad). Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith's followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith's own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

  • Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.

“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4] In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith's claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.


[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”

[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7.

[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.

[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409.




38 posted on 02/15/2012 10:47:28 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Bigg Red
And it seems like those who follow Mormonism are upstanding members of society.

Subscribe to an SLC paper for a month or so, and you'll come away will a DIFFERENT take on MORMON society than what you've heard from the PR department in Temple SQuare.

39 posted on 02/15/2012 10:49:04 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Bigg Red
And it seems like those who follow Mormonism are upstanding members of society.

Subscribe to an SLC paper for a month or so, and you'll come away with a DIFFERENT take on MORMON society than what you've heard from the PR department in Temple SQuare.

40 posted on 02/15/2012 10:49:26 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: C19fan

Kind of puts a whole new spin on that “Boxers or Briefs” question.


41 posted on 02/15/2012 10:50:25 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Jeff Head
That’s never been truly vetted enough and Romney will have the money and will to do if necessary.

And the MEDIA has the ON/OFF switch. Do you REALLY think they'd ALLOW Mitt to that much airtime?

42 posted on 02/15/2012 10:51:11 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Bigg Red

“The tenets of Mormonism are not a threat to America or to Western Civilization, AFAIK, unlike mohammedism.”

Um, are you aware that Mormonism, since its founding by Joseph Smith Jr, has consistently compared itself favorably to Islam and claimed to be the bridge between Christianity and Islam?

Are you aware that the two religions have close ties and that as recently as last Spring both Mormon and Islamic religious scholars gathered for a joint conference in Utah?

Are you aware that up until the Oklahoma bombing, the biggest act of domestic terrorism, which happened on September 11 by the way, was the Mountain Meadow Massacre perpetuated by Mormons?

I know a lot of Mormons who are good people. I also have a lot of Muslim friends who I consider good people. But in terms of comparing Islam and Mormonism - with the exception of Islam being monotheistic - there are way more similarities between the two religions than there are between either religion and Christianity.


43 posted on 02/15/2012 10:52:02 AM PST by NorthernCrunchyCon (Santorum/ Rand Paul '12)
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To: Jeff Head
...because it would open up his own can of worms regarding Black Liberation Theology ....

So; it's ok to go after OBAMA's religion??

44 posted on 02/15/2012 10:52:13 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Yehuda
I'm no fan of Romney but the answer is
..."For 20 years, until 2008, Barack Hussein Obama was a member of of a "Church", indeed was married in this "Church" that claims to this day that America intentionally spread AIDS in the Black Community, that supports Hamas over Israel, and that blames America for the 9/11 attacks. And afaik, Barack Hussein Obama has never denounced that Church or it's leaders."
 

Oh YEAH!!

That'll resonate!!!





"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.



Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

2 Nephi 5: 21 'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

Alma 3: 6 'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'



August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)



1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."



We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.



Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).



When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."



When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)





Yeah; Native Americans are althroughout the Book of MORMON; too.

 

“I saw a striking contrast in the progress of the Indian people today ... they are fast becoming a white and delightsome people.... For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised.... The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.

At one meeting a father and mother and their sixteen-year-old daughter were present, the little member girl-sixteen-sitting between the dark father and mother, and it was evident she was several shades lighter than her parents—on the same reservation, in the same hogan, subject to the same sun and wind and weather.... These young members of the Church are changing to whiteness and to delightsomeness.

One white elder jokingly said that he and his companion were donating blood regularly to the hospital in the hope that the process might be accelerated.

 

(Improvement Era, December 1960, pp.922-23). (p. 209)

 



 

45 posted on 02/15/2012 10:55:32 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Ancesthntr
- we're in the process of electing a President, not the country's moral leader.

Well we damn well SHOULD be!

46 posted on 02/15/2012 10:57:15 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Gaffer
BIG>It is about hatred of Mormon(ISM as the haters call it).

Reply #37

47 posted on 02/15/2012 11:00:02 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: ansel12
That leads to learning that he is a Bishop, and is a powerful figure in that religion, and then they find out that he had a private meeting with his “Prophet” before he would run for President.


History lesson:


Ezra Taft Benson


Ezra Taft Benson (August 4, 1899 – May 30, 1994) was the thirteenth president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) from 1985 until his death and was United States Secretary of Agriculture for both terms of the presidency of Dwight D. Eisenhower.
 

In 1953, Benson was appointed U.S. Secretary of Agriculture by President Eisenhower. Benson accepted this position with the permission of Church President David O. McKay and therefore served simultaneously in the United States Cabinet and in the LDS Church's Quorum of the Twelve Apostles.
 
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra_Taft_Benson

48 posted on 02/15/2012 11:01:36 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Jeff Head
Are all to be rejected by anyone not belonging to or adhereing to the same religious practise because of their religion?

AMEN! Infidel!!!



50 posted on 02/15/2012 11:14:21 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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