Posted on 02/15/2012 3:30:52 PM PST by Toaster tank
I've had it, after 55 years, with the Catholic Church. No more of my money for these people. Every homily is like an Obama campaign speech. Hiding the homosexual scandal, promoting Obama Care........ on & on.
Is there a conservative alternative?
Orthodox Church maybe? Never been to one but I'm ready to switch.
I agree with Zetman - find a Catholic Church that hosts an “Extraordinary Form” (Tridentine) Mass: the Mass is much more reverent, and the priests who have learned the old rite are quite conservative.
I have found refreshed and renewed after attending these Masses instead of the touchy-feely new Rite.
This web site can point you in the right direction
http://latinmass.com/latinmassdirectory.html
as can this site:
Pax vobiscum.
Any Missouri or Wisconsin Synod Lutheran Churches in your area? If you are used to a liturgical service, you may find the words of the litergy to be the same.
How can Mary be dead if she is with the Lord. Ditto the saints? Ditto your saintly grandmother? Hebrews 12 v. 1 speaks of a cloud of witnesses about us, It strains the context to think that the preacher is only talking about the good example. True faith never dies. As for mediation, the Lord means us to be mediators, to be witnesses of the faith. When our body dies, and we encounter Jesus, face to face, do we really forget all about those who remain behind? The soul longs for the body; hence, we expect the Resurrection of the body and taking our final place in a new creation.
None of that social gospel/social justice stuff. No donations get shuttled off to the leftist National Council of Churches. Bible-based sermons.
When the Catholic church went to English, I discovered the liturgy intoned by the priests were in many cases the same as we Lutherans sing at the beginning of our services.
Plus, you can't beat the hymns in the Lutheran Hymnal. IMHO, the best hymns of any denomination. They are beautiful, moving, many of them famous..... written by the best hymnists in church history. Lutherans love to sing during service, no pussyfooting, the congregation sings lusty and loud.
My favorite Lutheran hymn is the beautiful and serene "Be Still My Heart (the Lord is On Thy Side)"...... based on composer Jean Sibelius' great work, "Finlandia".
There should be a LCMS near you. Make an appointment with the church secretary to talk to the pastor. She will also happily give you a tour of the church on request.
Good luck and may your search be blessed.
Leni
former pastor here - stay away from Free Methodists no matter how conservative they look
I’ve seen liberal churches, conservative ones, and some in between. They pretty much reflect the neighborhood / community they are in. It is not specifically a Catholic thing either.
Lutheran Church Missouri Synod. Very conservetive and you will be able to follow the liturgy!
Lutheran - Missouri Synod. . . .
Lutheran Church Missouri Synod is very conservative and strictly adheres to bibical teachings. The services are quite beautiful, especially in the older church buildings.
you might be comfortable at a Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod (the conservative Lutheran church). . . .
I concur. I am a pastor in the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod. We are a socially/theologically conservative, liturgical, sacramental church body (although some of our congregations are not as liturgical as they should be).
If you'd like, Toaster tank, I can direct you to some information and websites of LCMS congregaations near you to check out. Let me know (on this thread or via freepmail) your town and ZIP code, and I can give you some recommendations. I've helped a number of people find good congregations in their area.
Within the communion of Rome: a Trindentine-rite parish, or any of the eastern rites (Maronite, Melkite, Greek Catholic, etc).
Not in communion with Rome: Any of the Orthodox...Antiochian tends to be English-speaking or multilingual; some Greek Orthodox are becoming bi-lingual at key points of the liturgy.
Of the Western traditions not in communion with Rome: the Anglican Church of North America; the Lutheran Church-Misouri Synod; any Lutheran congregation of any label pastored by a member of the Society of the Holy Trinity
Is there a conservative church out there?
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Here’s an excellent one:
http://deanbible.org/mission.php
Free live-stream over the internet:
http://deanbible.org/index.php
Extensive, free archives of audio and video
(a goldmine of solid, in-depth Bible teaching):
http://deanbible.org/andromeda.php?q=f&f=%2FAudio+Files
The pastor:
http://deanbible.org/bio.php
Have you made any effort to find a parish where this is not the case? Try an Eastern Rite Catholic church if every priest in your diocese is a flaming liberal. Talk to other conservative Catholics (Opus Dei is a good place to look) about where they go.
One of the priests at my parish is to the right of me -- and that's an achievement! -- and makes it very clear in his homilies, so don't tell me that it's that way everywhere.
See my post #67.
I interpreted Toaster tank as asking for a conservative Christian denomination, not just an address of a particular church building.
Robby, your claims contradict the words of Jesus.
In John 3:13, Jesus clearly says that NO ONE has ascended into heaven except the One who came from it—Jesus, Who is in heaven.
There are several places that reference the dead, which indicate that the dead are ASLEEP, as it is put, and that the dead will be called to life on the LAST DAY, the Day of the Lord, when the dead will be judged.
You are misinterpreting Hebrews 12:1. It does not refer to dead people actually floating around us. You must look back in the preceding text to understand the context of that verse, which has to do with faith and perseverance.
Nowhere in the Bible does it say that when we die, we immediately encounter the Lord. Instead, it says we sleep until the Day of the Lord.
I agree! The words of some of those hymns are a sermon themselves, rich with doctrine.
Lutheran's also believe in the real presence.
See my post # 68 and compare the time stamp to your # 67 —great Lutheran minds think and post alike.
Also, it should be noted that the books of Maccabees WERE Sacred Scripture, at the time of Jesus on Earth.
Since Maccabees CLEARLY supported the ideas of Purgatory and prayers to and for the dead -— Martin Luther stripped them from the Bible.
It should be noted that Luther wanted to remove other Books as well, at least 2 Books which are currently in the King James version.
Yes, human beings are fallen beings. Yes, every Church will be harmed by human failings.
However, it seems odd to me that you can object to “infallibility” (which only happens when so stated, not every thing out of a Pope's mouth is infallible, no Catholic believes that) -—
Anyway, since the Bible itself DID NOT EXIST until the Catholic Church CREATED IT, and since the Canons of the Church which accepted and rejected the various separate works of Scripture as part of that first Bible, all operated under the direction of a Pope -—
You had better hope that the Early Popes were INFALLIBLE!
“Lutheran Church Missouri Synod. Very conservetive and you will be able to follow the liturgy!”
And you will not hear partisan political advocacy from the pulpit, most likely not even any urging to be sure to vote or get involved in the political process.
Independent Baptist-very conservative, fundamentalist, differing degrees of strictness regarding personal standards of holiness (though all have high standards), practice Biblical separation. Though it would probably be extreme “culture shock” for you, coming from the Roman Catholic tradition. The churches are autonomous, though there are loose associations and fellowships between like churches.
Thank you for your efforts, but you are wasting your time here.
My first comment on this thread was to the thread’s author. I did not engage the committed catholics to debate, because it is worthless to do so.
You will not change my understanding of the Word of God—understanding that is given by the Holy Spirit ONLY, and I will not change your belief in catholicism.
There is no need to engage in useless arguments (even though I have wasted plenty of time in my life doing so).
I attend an Evangelical Free church(EFree). My impression is that many of the affiliated churches may differ. The one I attend keeps it simple and to the point. Five worship songs followed by a biblically based sermon. Good stuff.
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