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Santorum's provocative language could be obstacle
Reuters ^ | Feb 15th, 2012 | Ros Krasny

Posted on 02/15/2012 6:55:30 PM PST by Mariner

BOSTON (Reuters) - Republican candidate Rick Santorum has won support from American conservatives for his views on social issues but a habit of hyperbole may lead to stumbles in his White House bid.

In Boise, Idaho, on Tuesday, Santorum compared contraception to deodorant and soap when making a point about why he believes birth control should not be covered by health insurers.

"Let's mandate that every insurance policy covers toothpaste. Deodorant. That might be a good idea, right? Have everyone cover deodorant, right? Soap. I mean, where do you stop?"

Santorum also fell back on a well-worn Republican criticism that President Barack Obama and his administration are elitists.

"Don't you see how they see you? How they look down their nose at the average Americans? These elite snobs," said Santorum, who reported 2010 income of almost $1 million, according to financial disclosure forms.

Though he is giving Republican rival Mitt Romney a run for his money in the nomination race, Santorum's language might be an obstacle if he wins his party's nomination to challenge Obama in the November 6 election.

"As a frontrunner you have to watch exactly what you say," said Donna Robinson Devine, professor of government at Smith College in Northampton, Massachusetts. "The attention has moved to Santorum, but to me he seems very whiny. I just can't imagine him as president."

Santorum's most famous equivalence came from 2003.

In an interview, he said that if the Supreme Court protected the right for gays to have consensual sex in their own homes, "then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything."

Comments in that interview that homosexuality was not as bad as bestiality...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: biggovernmentrick; idiot; kstreet; kstreetproject; lobbyistrick; santorum; taxreturn; whiner; whining; whiny
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In a general election Santorum will spend far more time defending his positions on social issues than he will talking about spending, debt, tax reform, regulation, energy and defense...combined.

The only conservative message anyone will hear from him will be that of the social conservative.

Not by his choice, but by the need to defend himself against endless "alarm" in the media and ads that either mischaracterize or lie about what he REALLY said.

If we nominate this guy we're toast.

1 posted on 02/15/2012 6:55:35 PM PST by Mariner
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To: Mariner
"Let's mandate that every insurance policy covers toothpaste. Deodorant. That might be a good idea, right? Have everyone cover deodorant, right? Soap. I mean, where do you stop?"

Anybody who thinks that's over the top is pathetic.
2 posted on 02/15/2012 6:58:38 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Mariner
but a habit of hyperbole may lead to stumbles in his White House bid.

Ah it's more Reuters opinion masquerading as news.

What is more hyperbolic than claiming the winner of an election can lower sea levels?

In the end, it's more of the same - an attempt to preempt any dramatic GOP pronouncements about Obama who richly deserves to be held up to ridicule.

3 posted on 02/15/2012 6:58:49 PM PST by relictele (We are officially OUT of other people's money!)
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To: relictele

Apparently we’re now supposed to nominate someone the media finds acceptable.


4 posted on 02/15/2012 6:59:58 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Mariner
This is not hyperbole, this is reductio ad absurdum.

It is a rhetorical technique which inevitably will fail in an open enviroment because all it does is leave the audience feeling like he has insulted their intelligence.

5 posted on 02/15/2012 7:00:54 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Mariner

You are absolutely correct. Right now Santorum is gaining traction because he comes across as a regular guy. But people don’t yet know him. When they hear he wants govt to define marriage and other such bs, he’s toast.


6 posted on 02/15/2012 7:01:57 PM PST by independent in tx
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To: Mariner

Oh wow, soap and deodorant is really provocative.

But I am sure the Newtsters will help Al Reuters make their case.


7 posted on 02/15/2012 7:02:36 PM PST by dforest
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To: cripplecreek
Apparently we’re now supposed to nominate someone the media finds acceptable.

It worked the last time around.

8 posted on 02/15/2012 7:03:23 PM PST by digger48
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To: dforest

Now they want someone acceptable to the media.

The failure of conservatism will be due to an utter lack of courage on the part of so called conservatives.


9 posted on 02/15/2012 7:06:16 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Mariner

In a general election Santorum will spend far more time defending his positions on social issues than he will talking about spending, debt, tax reform, regulation, energy and defense...combined.

Since he is running against Obama, he will win. Obama’s social issues are as abysmal as his fiscal issues. He is a complete and utter mess. As far as his comparison of birth control being paid for the insurance company and soap and deoderant, that is true. How much more are the insurance companies going to have to end up paying? Oh and if you don’t think that ALL of our premiums aren’t going to go up for this birth control, then you must not be taking this issue seriously.


10 posted on 02/15/2012 7:07:02 PM PST by napscoordinator (A moral principled Christian with character is the frontrunner! Congrats Santorum!)
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To: Mariner
"As a frontrunner you have to watch exactly what you say," said Donna Robinson Devine, professor of government at Smith College in Northampton, Massachusetts. "The attention has moved to Santorum, but to me he seems very whiny. I just can't imagine him as president."

While I was reading the article, I was wondering what her screen name was on FR, but then I got to your comment at #1 and it was all cleared up.

11 posted on 02/15/2012 7:12:48 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Mariner, another partisan media shills ping.


12 posted on 02/15/2012 7:16:06 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: cripplecreek
These are just ranging shots.

If he makes it to September you'll see endless, full broadsides.

And, if you think there's a majority of electors in that discussion...well, we'll find out I guess.

Personally I believe Obama and the MSM would beat Santorum in a landslide.

13 posted on 02/15/2012 7:16:15 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: cripplecreek
All Santorum needs to do on the social issues is what McCain was afraid to do. Produce Obama's testimony opposing Illinois' version of the Infant Born Alive Act. That issue was radioactive to McCain's campaign and they avoided it like the plague.

I hope Obama keeps pushing the social issues, and Rick shoves it right back at him.

14 posted on 02/15/2012 7:17:27 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: napscoordinator

A big mistake was made when conservatives started attacking Romney from the left. Now no left wing style attacks are off limits.


15 posted on 02/15/2012 7:17:34 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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16 posted on 02/15/2012 7:18:09 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Joe 6-pack
"While I was reading the article, I was wondering what her screen name was on FR, but then I got to your comment at #1 and it was all cleared up. "

You're accusing me of being the author, or even sharing anything in common with the author?

Was that just a snarky comment or are you ignorant?

17 posted on 02/15/2012 7:19:12 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
If he makes it to September you'll see endless, full broadsides.

And people like you will be right there calling out the range.
18 posted on 02/15/2012 7:19:13 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: independent in tx

His views on contraception are not regular. It’s a real turn off for women, Republican and democrat.


19 posted on 02/15/2012 7:19:58 PM PST by dandiegirl
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To: cripplecreek
"And people like you will be right there calling out the range. "

And just what are "people like you"?

20 posted on 02/15/2012 7:21:19 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
Here's the quote I referenced:

"As a frontrunner you have to watch exactly what you say," said Donna Robinson Devine, professor of government at Smith College in Northampton, Massachusetts. "The attention has moved to Santorum, but to me he seems very whiny. I just can't imagine him as president."

Are you, or are you not, 100% in agreement with Donna Robinson Devine, professor of government at Smith College?

21 posted on 02/15/2012 7:22:12 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: cripplecreek
Santorum’s point is spot on. Why do we make special circumstances for one product? If the government can mandate that employers provide birth control, then they can mandate anything else as well. Should they mandate that your employer provides you lunch? A car? A house? I don't think this is too difficult to grasp or provocative language at all. But you know the Santorum bashers will run with it.
22 posted on 02/15/2012 7:23:26 PM PST by bushinohio
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To: Mariner

I agree 100%


23 posted on 02/15/2012 7:23:53 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Mariner

Well I can honestly say that I’m not helping Romney. You?


24 posted on 02/15/2012 7:23:56 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Joe 6-pack
"Are you, or are you not, 100% in agreement with Donna Robinson Devine, professor of government at Smith College?"

No, not at ALL in agreement with the silly professor.

Again, your zeal has made you blind to what people actually say (type).

26 posted on 02/15/2012 7:30:20 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: bushinohio

If we can outlaw smoking in bars, why not in private cars or homes?


27 posted on 02/15/2012 7:30:32 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: napscoordinator

I am sick and tired of the govt interfering in social issues. IMO it is up to the parents to teach morals.

My main concern is the economy. Prefer a strong fiscal conservative that would never allow a project such as the Keystone pipeline to be slashed; do prefer Newt’s proposal on Soc Sec over Santorum’s and like the idea of the Galveston plan; would like the govt to lift so many barriers environmentally, tax wise, WAGES ( entry level workers such as teenagers, some supplemnting incomes should be allowed to work for less than a govt imposed min wage..I did when I was 16) cut aid to foreign nations and the UN..get out imo; also, I did like what Newt said during his cpac speech on tracking illegals..he compared it to going online and tracking packages via ups or fed ex and millions and millions and millions are tracked every week..so why couldnt we privatize this to a credit card company? heck they would track you down in the Amazon jungle.

Let the parents and families get back to the morals and the govt get the hell out of our personal lives and stop spending our nation into oblivion


28 posted on 02/15/2012 7:31:58 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: independent in tx

You mean people won’t like it when they find out that conservatives want to protect marriage and fight the homosexual agenda of the far left?


29 posted on 02/15/2012 7:33:06 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: Mariner

Stupid article unless you want Romney. Mr perfect is t running.

Santorum is well spoken. Every member of congress makes
Good
Money when they get out. Deal with it.


30 posted on 02/15/2012 7:33:49 PM PST by Yaelle (Go Santorum!)
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To: cripplecreek
"Well I can honestly say that I’m not helping Romney. You?"

No.

And Romney has the same problem as Santorum...even worse. He's a Bishop in the Mormon Church and the MSM will make him defend that to the exclusion of darn near everything else except Bain, Swiss Bank Accounts etc.

31 posted on 02/15/2012 7:33:55 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

Yeah. Let’s play it SAFE this time and go with a solid moderate, like a John McCain. Yeah, that’ll do the trick. One moderate vs. one flaming socialist. A real choice for the American people. That’s the ticket. / sarc


32 posted on 02/15/2012 7:34:39 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Santorum is worth a good second look, my friends. Why is it the media and White House hate him so?)
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To: cripplecreek

Exactly. Most people have lost the concept of what insurance is. It is meant to cover infrequent, expensives risks like a house fire or major accident. Therefore a large number of policyholders pay a small premium to share the costs of those few policyholders who have a claim incident.

If I pay a premium to cover a cost I know I am going to have like cleaning my teeth then I am paying somebody a fee to pay those costs for me. That is not insurance.

The problem with mandating routine costs like contraception is that you are forcing policyholders who do not need contraception to subsidize those who do via premiums paid. This is economically immoral. And that ignores that some policyholders may object to contraception for religious reasons.


33 posted on 02/15/2012 7:34:51 PM PST by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts so good.)
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To: Mariner

Stupid article unless you want Romney. Mr perfect is t running.

Santorum is well spoken. Every member of congress makes
Good
Money when they get out. Deal with it.


34 posted on 02/15/2012 7:35:55 PM PST by Yaelle (Go Santorum!)
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To: Mariner
"No, not at ALL in agreement with the silly professor."

So then, you can imagine Santorum as president...I'm just trying to square that with your remark, "If we nominate this guy we're toast."

35 posted on 02/15/2012 7:37:36 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Yaelle

and that is another thing...this is bipartisan..why should they get big bucks for life even if they only serve one term. Talk about ripping the taxpayers off! it is outrageous that their retirement is so massive ..and I mean all of them


36 posted on 02/15/2012 7:38:17 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: Mariner

oh please.

I guess leftists are never provocative?

They call us demons, women haters, nazi’s and everything else.


37 posted on 02/15/2012 7:42:07 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Joe 6-pack
"So then, you can imagine Santorum as president."

Absolutely. I think he'd make a good President.

But unlike you I don't think he's electable. Of course he hasn't won the nod yet and everything is conjecture at this point.

And, I'll be surprised if he can win enough delegates for the nomination.

38 posted on 02/15/2012 7:43:20 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: cripplecreek

You were helping Romney when you were smearing Newt all over the place. Is it just Santorum that we are not supposed to vet?


39 posted on 02/15/2012 7:44:52 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: Mariner
If he makes it to September you'll see endless, full broadsides.

And that would be different with another candidate? Where you have been last several election cycles? In 2004 one news organization even peddled forged documents to trash Bush. McCain was trashed. Dole was trashed. Bush I was trashed.

Who, in your judgment, should we nominate that Obama and the media would not attack with "endless, full broadsides"?

40 posted on 02/15/2012 7:45:10 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Mariner

John Kerry was going to heal the sick, the wheelchair bound would walk again! Al Gore was going to heal the planet!


41 posted on 02/15/2012 7:47:02 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Mariner

What a huge load of crap you peddle .
The same BS was said about Reagan !


42 posted on 02/15/2012 7:48:03 PM PST by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: katiedidit1

Your code for vetting involves smears , lies , AstroTurf and pure vs !
That’s your vetting and no one is fooled anymore !
Paul bot or Romney bot ?


43 posted on 02/15/2012 7:51:31 PM PST by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: Republican Wildcat
"Who, in your judgment, should we nominate that Obama and the media would not attack with "endless, full broadsides"? "

I agree they will go after all of them from whatever angle they believe will do the most damage. They're good at it. Better than our side because they control so many outlets and through the entertainment "industry" have the opportunity to shape the cultural narrative.

Therefore I think Gingrich is the better candidate to run against the left. He has the ability to define what subjects will be discussed.

44 posted on 02/15/2012 7:52:37 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: cripplecreek; Mariner

>> Well I can honestly say that I’m not helping Romney. You?

And when Newt was pouncing on Romney, all the Santorum supporters made sure that came to halt. So were you then helping Romney?

While Santorum is wonderful person and family man, I’m not that interested in his projections of Liberty regardless of his campaign rhetoric. Newt is the visionary, and the one with the capacity to turn this mess around. Rick is too green — maybe in 2020.


45 posted on 02/15/2012 7:53:08 PM PST by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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To: Mariner
We're in agreement that all is conjecture at this point. When it comes to electability, I think the left, especially the far left is going to overplay their hand in their attacks on Santorum. They've cowed and bullied normal, decent Americans into silence, or even embarrasment over their generally traditional views. The deep left has convinced themselves that they are the mainstream, and IMHO, will turn off a lot of people with their inevitable hyperbolic attacks on Santorum.
46 posted on 02/15/2012 7:54:28 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Mariner

Oh. Your a Catholic Hater !
Now we know the reason for your Rick hate !


47 posted on 02/15/2012 7:55:12 PM PST by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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"Oh. Your a Catholic Hater ! Now we know the reason for your Rick hate !"

Dude.

You need to call a family member and tell them you lost your medicine.

48 posted on 02/15/2012 7:59:49 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
“And just what are “people like you”?”
________________

That would be me, for one.

I guess I don't quite understand why criticism of things like Rick's puritanical views on contraception is considered “an attack from the Left.” However, even if one concedes that somewhat imprecise characterization, shouldn't we examine all our candidates strengths and weaknesses; or, should we just proceed directly to the coronation of our nominee and then let the media and the Dems dissect and eviscerate him?

Somehow I don't quite “get” the latter “ignore the obvious” school of thought.

But that's just, “people like us,” I guess. Logic can be so ...”unpleasant” at times.

Take care,

-Geoff

49 posted on 02/15/2012 8:01:39 PM PST by Ozymandias Ghost
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To: Mariner

He’s better off asking why providing abortifacients is considered “health care” at all. Since when was being with child equivalent to a disease?


50 posted on 02/15/2012 8:08:44 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There has not been a conservative American government for 90 years.)
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