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Pelosi: Govt. Should Require Church To Pay for Birth Control (Excommunicate NOW!)
The Weekly Standard ^ | February 16, 2012 | John McCormack

Posted on 02/16/2012 2:14:50 PM PST by C19fan

House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi said Thursday morning that the government should require self-insured religious institutions, such as the Catholic church in Washington, D.C., to directly pay for contraception and abortifacients.

Pelosi talked about the importance of women's health, and then said, "Yes, I think that all institutions who cover, who give, health insurance should cover the full range of health insurance issues for women."

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catholic; contraceptives; pelosi
When a "Catholic" politician uses the power of the state to force a religious institution to go against its conscience the Church should excommunicate.
1 posted on 02/16/2012 2:15:02 PM PST by C19fan
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To: C19fan

The cowardly Catholic church will not excommunicate.


2 posted on 02/16/2012 2:15:42 PM PST by bigdirty
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To: C19fan

Absolutely!! Ring the Bell! Close the Book! Extinguish the Candle!! NOW.


3 posted on 02/16/2012 2:17:29 PM PST by xkaydet65 (IACTA ALEA EST!!!')
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To: bigdirty

What happen to the days when Kings and Emperors got excommunicated for assaulting the liberty of the Church.


4 posted on 02/16/2012 2:18:03 PM PST by C19fan
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To: C19fan

I agree. She should be excommunicated immediately, but sadly I think we know that won’t happen.

If the church wants to reach Catholics it’s past time to show them that Gods law is more important than the amount of money one puts in the basket.


5 posted on 02/16/2012 2:18:30 PM PST by mardi59
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To: xkaydet65

Cue Richard Burton as Beckett.


6 posted on 02/16/2012 2:18:51 PM PST by C19fan
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To: C19fan

Seriously, it’s time to start showing people the door.


7 posted on 02/16/2012 2:19:17 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: C19fan

i wish her no ill... but there is a warm place waiting for her in the after life.


8 posted on 02/16/2012 2:20:55 PM PST by cableguymn (Good thing I am a conservative. Otherwise I would have to support Mittens like Republicans do.)
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To: dead

No kidding.

The Church will not be considered seriously in this fight until they do exactly that.


9 posted on 02/16/2012 2:25:20 PM PST by MNlurker
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To: C19fan
Excommunication is definitely warranted and long overdue.

But the Vatican seems afraid of alienating the American left. I suspect that's because so many Catholics are democrats.

10 posted on 02/16/2012 2:27:02 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: bigdirty
In this entire universe, there are exactly two people who have the authority to excommunicate Nazi Pelousy. They are:

1) George H. Niederauer, Archbishop of San Francisco
2) Donald Cardinal Wuerl, Archbishop of Washington

Please direct your respectful request for public discipline in the face of Nasty Pelousy's public scandal to those two men.

NO-ONE ELSE can do what you appear to want.

Incidentally, Cardinal Wuerl concurred with Joseph F Naumann, Archbishop of Kansas City when the latter effectively excommunicated the abortionist rat Kathleen Sebellius.

11 posted on 02/16/2012 2:29:59 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: bigdirty

> The cowardly Catholic church will not excommunicate.

Don’t confuse the cowardly Bishops with the church.


12 posted on 02/16/2012 2:30:53 PM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: C19fan

Since the atheists want contraception and abortion, they should pay for it.


13 posted on 02/16/2012 2:31:53 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: C19fan

Are there any self-insured FReepers??

How do you feel about being forced to pay for this crap out of your own pocket?


14 posted on 02/16/2012 2:32:12 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: C19fan

It’s never been the Church’s policy to excommunicate morons, bell-ringers like Quasimodo. If they have the brains to know they’re sinning, they’re already doomed, and no amount of excommunication will intensify their hells. What we really need is someone outside the Church to point out the sheer banality of their corruption.


15 posted on 02/16/2012 2:36:25 PM PST by Mach9
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To: C19fan
Pelosi talked about the importance of women's health, and then said, "Yes, I think that all institutions who cover, who give, health insurance should cover the full range of health insurance issues for women."

Wrong. If the Catholic church is morally opposed to these things, the government, per our First Amendment, has NO RIGHT demanding that they do so! If women who work under these organizations don't like that these health insurance companies don't provide them with these purely elective options, then they are free to leave and find a company that will provide these "benefits".

I'm not Catholic but how dare this wicked, vile, disgusting woman say that Catholic organizations MUST provide that which the Catholic church is opposed?! The Catholic church would go a long way in just throwing the hammer down on all these CINOs and excommunicating these people!

16 posted on 02/16/2012 2:41:24 PM PST by Sister_T
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To: bigdirty
The cowardly Catholic church will not excommunicate.

Wanna bet?

At least one American "catholic" politician will be publicly told not to present themselves for Holy Communion (not exactly formal "excommunication" per se) before the end of this year. Sebelius was privately instructed not to present herself for Holy Communion, which explains her vendetta against the Church in this HHS mandate.

Cardinal Burke is now Cardinal Prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura and the proper application of Canon 915 (excommunication of grave sinners who cause scandal) is his pet project. He has not let it slide. The bishops and the Vatican are realizing this MUST be done. You'll see it soon enough.

17 posted on 02/16/2012 2:49:38 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: C19fan
(Excommunicate NOW!)

Either that or a heavenly zot..........

18 posted on 02/16/2012 2:56:18 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: C19fan

Nuttier than squirrel crap!


19 posted on 02/16/2012 2:56:18 PM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: C19fan

Look now, Newt’s couch cozy buddy fellow Global Warming Hoax propagandist/environmentalist Nancy Patricia D’Alesandro is joining Obama with their attacks on the church and Christians.


20 posted on 02/16/2012 3:06:16 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: dragonblustar

From what I’ve been taught, it’s a person’s actions that lead him/her to excommunication.

I believe Nancy Pelosi et al have already excommunicated themselves. The problem is that their bishops haven’t gotten around to filling out the paperwork.


21 posted on 02/16/2012 3:25:35 PM PST by JeffChrz (High-speed rail: supported by elitists too snooty to take the bus.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
the latter effectively excommunicated the abortionist rat Kathleen Sebellius.

I read that this happened after she presented herself for Holy Communion despite being asked not to. Has Nancy Pelosi formally been advised NOT to present for communion?

I think the bishops are between a rock and a hard place. First, a formal excommunication doesn't prevent desecration of the Eucharist if the person presents in a parish where she's not recognized.

Second, excommunication will give fresh red meat to the feminists, who will most assuredly point to this as "evidence" that the Catholic heirarchy is a bunch of old men who hate women, especially women who dare to speak up.

Third, if Pelosi is to be formally advised not to present for communion or formally excommunicated, there are a lot of others who have acted in similar fashion. Like Sen Mikulski, who gave us this preventive care nightmare and refused to exclude abortion. And Joe Biden. Trouble is, the majority of the most visible offenders are women, which will give the feminists even more fuel for their bigotry. Anything that leaves Biden off the hook will come across as sexist, yet a stance against Biden will look like Church interference in state matters. No matter what the Bishops might do to rein in proabort pols, the left will have a heyday spinning it to their base.

I'm just a Catholic lay person whose opinion means little :) But I'd like to see the Bishops unite and issue a whole lot of formal requests for specific politicians NOT to present themselves for Holy Communion until they repent, publicly apologize, and make amends to the extent they can. I'd like to see it based on consistent criteria such as public proabortion statements and a proabortion voting record. Consistent criteria applied equally to politicians of both genders would (hopefully) give less red meat to a dem base, who IMHO would love to see some of their own women excommunicated. And they can look at local politicians not just congress critters as far as I'm concerned!

22 posted on 02/16/2012 3:39:30 PM PST by JustMeMcGee
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To: bigdirty
The cowardly Catholic church will not excommunicate.

I agree. I've never understood the American left and the Catholic Church. I am not Catholic for a lot of reasons...but I know my history (I have a Doctorate in Church History). I am constantly amazed at what the left gets away. Everything they DO when it comes to reproduction rebels against Papal instruction and authority. The Bishops rebel against it too.

To the Pope: Either you are the Vicar of Christ...or you are not (what I believe is irrelevant to your congregants). What does it say about Papal authority when Bishops and laity not only ignore the teachings of the church...but openly decry them as inhumane, wrong, unfeeling, immoral etc?

Again...I've never understood how the Pope...ANY Pope allows their representatives to lead the Church will in open rebellion to its teachings...yet they do.

23 posted on 02/16/2012 3:42:59 PM PST by NELSON111
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To: C19fan

Agreed. Where in the world is her bishop?


24 posted on 02/16/2012 3:44:32 PM PST by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: NELSON111

will=while. Why we can’t have an edit function is beyond me...


25 posted on 02/16/2012 3:45:21 PM PST by NELSON111
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To: ArrogantBustard; All

I am not a Catholic, so my email would mean nothing, however, Ms. Pelosi’s comments reach much farther than just Catholics, so I have to do something, so here is the aforementioned Bishops contact info. Call or Email them for me.

1)Archbishop Most Rev. George H. Niederauer
The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of San Francisco

One Peter Yorke Way
San Francisco, CA 94109
(415) 614-5500
info@sfarchdiocese.org

2)Archbishop of Washington:
His Eminence Donald Cardinal Wuerl

Archdiocesan Pastoral Center
5001 Eastern Avenue
Hyattsville, MD 20782-3447

Mailing Address:
P.O. Box 29260
Washington, DC 20017-0260

Office of the Archbishop
Phone: 301-853-4500
Email: chancery@adw.org


26 posted on 02/16/2012 3:52:34 PM PST by ConservativeChris
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To: Mariner
because so many Catholics are democrats

So many CINO'S are Catholic...one cannot be a sincere, practicing Catholic and a Democrat at the same time IMPOSSIBLE !!

27 posted on 02/16/2012 4:01:54 PM PST by terycarl (lurking, but well informed)
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To: terycarl

So many CINO’S are Catholic

________________________________________
I meant, of course, that so many CINO’S are democrats....oh well!!!


28 posted on 02/16/2012 4:38:31 PM PST by terycarl (lurking, but well informed)
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To: C19fan
This clown ought to be told by her party to shut up. If she is not told to contain it, she will be an embarrassment tp all involved. She is an empty headed fool who speaks without thinking.
29 posted on 02/16/2012 5:05:02 PM PST by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: C19fan

Muslims, too, Nanzi?


30 posted on 02/16/2012 5:29:22 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: mardi59

Catholics like pelosi don’t put much money into donations to church anyway.


31 posted on 02/16/2012 6:17:43 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: JustMeMcGee

So what. These people are going balls to the walls against us. It’s time to take the damn gloves off and realize we’re in a real serious fight here. You know fight for what we believe like we actually zealously believe it. You can’t expect anyone else to fight for your beliefs.


32 posted on 02/16/2012 6:21:58 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: ConservativeChris
I am not a Catholic, so my email would mean nothing

I do not agree with that. The Catholic Church is not a corporation or politician that only cares about its customers or constituents. The Church cares about everybody ... even if that care is not reciprocated. So please DO write ... respectfully ... if you find the Bishop's inaction scandalous.

33 posted on 02/16/2012 7:43:42 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: C19fan

SF Bishop must stand up and issue self-excommunicating decree.


34 posted on 02/16/2012 7:47:27 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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35 posted on 02/16/2012 7:49:16 PM PST by narses
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To: ArrogantBustard

Her parish priest has written and requested that she does not take communion. It is now down to her bishop or archbishop. She has de facto excommunicated herself.

Excommunication is a serious thing, not a parking ticket. More like being stripped of your citizenship. So I understand why the archbishops are going slow here. After all, a soul is at stake.

Still, I do wish they would do so formally. This woman is the antithesis of Church teachings. Allowing her to continue claiming she is part of the Church is, to me, a sin.


36 posted on 02/16/2012 8:14:49 PM PST by EnglishCon (Gingrich/Santorum 2012.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Privately telling a Catholic to avoid holy communion is in no way real excommunication.

Public excommunication described here by Jesus Himself: “

“If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.”

To “tell it to the church...” in the New Testament context is to make it public...and to treat them as a pagan or tax collector is to eject them from the Church PUBLICLY.

Pelosi and practically every other radically socialist/fascist politician in America—from a Roman Catholic background, ALWAYS gleans votes from Catholic constituents by pushing the fact that “they are Catholic.” This is just wrong.

Probably half the most liberal politicians in America claim “they are Catholic,” and nothing is ever done about it, except occasionally a gutsy bishop or priest (privately) won’t serve them Communion. Then they still go out and brag about being Catholic.

HEY ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOPS: If a person is refused communion—and is unrepentant—GET SOME GUTS AND MAKE THEIR EXCOMMUNICATION PUBLIC!!!


37 posted on 02/16/2012 9:51:05 PM PST by AnalogReigns (because REALITY is never digital...)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

“Wanna bet?”

I hope you are right! I hope the Bishops start excommunicating these CINO’s. They are a public scandal that has been allowed to fester much too long.

It is time the Church quits caring about what the Kennedy/social justice democrat catholic wing thinks. If they are offended, let them leave. The church will survive without them just fine; the church has always been about quality rather than quantity. Jesus had very few followers during his lifetime; the vast majority of the Jews were not having it, and that did not cause Jesus to change or water down his message.

The church needs a purge and needs to get back to its true teachings.


38 posted on 02/17/2012 4:32:36 AM PST by stonehouse01 (Equal rights for unborn women)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

“Wanna bet?”

I hope you are right! I hope the Bishops start excommunicating these CINO’s. They are a public scandal that has been allowed to fester much too long.

It is time the Church quits caring about what the Kennedy/social justice democrat catholic wing thinks. If they are offended, let them leave. The church will survive without them just fine; the church has always been about quality rather than quantity. Jesus had very few followers during his lifetime; the vast majority of the Jews were not having it, and that did not cause Jesus to change or water down his message.

The church needs a purge and needs to get back to its true teachings.


39 posted on 02/17/2012 4:32:49 AM PST by stonehouse01 (Equal rights for unborn women)
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To: C19fan

“In fact Pope Benedict joined WHO’s call for universal health coverage just before its report hit the press. He called health care a moral responsibility of government and an “inalienable right,” regardless of social and economic status or ability to pay. He cautioned that the privatization of health care should “not become a threat to the accessibility, availability, and quality of health care.””

http://www.uscatholic.org/culture/social-justice/2011/01/papal-prescription


40 posted on 02/17/2012 4:35:50 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: stonehouse01

Sorry about the double post -

also social justice democrats in power are liked by the social justice Bishops (Hubbard comes to mind) because they get gov’t money for their pet catholic charities projects. Follow the money. That is one major reason why this has taken so long to take care of.


41 posted on 02/17/2012 4:39:01 AM PST by stonehouse01 (Equal rights for unborn women)
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To: C19fan

Yes. Excommunicate her now, because her behavior leads others to sin.

And her bishop, by failing to excommunicate her, also sins, because he is an accessory to the scandal.


42 posted on 02/17/2012 4:49:39 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: bigdirty

-—The cowardly Catholic church will not excommunicate.-—

Just to be precise, this is the decision of the local bishop.

But yes, it’s beyond doubt that the American bishops have collectively failed to excommunicate obstinately sinful politicians over the last 45 years.

It’s also beyond doubt that the practice has fallen out of favor. Why?

My theory is that this is a “spirit of Vatican II” error. Somehow, protecting the “bruised reed” has been used as an excuse for a lack of courage to apply fraternal, medicinal correction.

I don’t think this trend will change until the pope exhorts the bishops to move in this direction.


43 posted on 02/17/2012 5:13:50 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: Mach9

-—If they have the brains to know they’re sinning, they’re already doomed, and no amount of excommunication will intensify their hells.-—

True, but excommunication has a twofold purpose.

The first is communicating to the sinner the gravity of his sin.

The second is to prevent scandalizing the flock. Failure to excommunicate a public sinner teaches the flock that divergence with dogmatic teaching is permissible.


44 posted on 02/17/2012 5:22:40 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas

Yes, I understand this. But, as I’ve been lectured countless times, excommunication (a public bull) can’t be tossed around like a frisbee. The object of the bull must be capable of reforming, and the bull’s integrity must not be open to question among the faithful. Yes, this sounds like politics. But it’s also common sense. For all I know, Pelosi’s formal excommunication might not be seen as enlightening the faithful. Is she the leader of this movement? Would excommunicating her cause a change in feminist aims? I doubt it.

On the other hand, it’s a simple matter indeed to enlighten Pelosi publicly (as was the case when she declared that the Catholic Church was not a monolith). It’s also a relatively simple matter to refuse her and others Communion or absolution (which may already be the case—firm purpose of amendment as condition).

Lord knows, I’m as frustrated as you are on the subject.


45 posted on 02/17/2012 8:29:46 AM PST by Mach9
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To: All; ProgressingAmerica

“The eugenic and civilizational value of Birth Control is becoming apparent to the enlightened and the intelligent. In the limited space of the present paper, I have time only to touch upon some of the fundamental convictions that form the basis of our Birth Control propaganda, and which, as I think you must agree, indicate that the campaign for Birth Control is not merely of eugenic value, but is practically identical in ideal with the final aims of Eugenics.” -—Margaret Sanger

(hat tip to ProgressingAmerica for finding this quote.)

We are on the edge of social, political, and economic disaster, America. It’s time to turn off American Idol and Top Chef and pay attention..........


46 posted on 02/17/2012 9:54:30 AM PST by Absolutely Nobama (NO COMPROMISE! NO RETREAT! NO SURRENDER! I AM A CONSERVATIVE! CASE CLOSED!)
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To: MNlurker

I soooo agree with you. The Pope should be looking for that form as we speak. There is no reason to keep these people in the RCC......I don’t understand why they keep them.


47 posted on 02/18/2012 8:27:35 AM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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