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Chris Christie defends lower flags for Whitney Houston
Politico ^ | 16 Feb 2012 | TIM MAK

Posted on 02/16/2012 3:16:48 PM PST by mandaladon

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie on Wednesday strongly defended his decision to have the state’s flags flown at half-staff for singer Whitney Houston.

Christie had been criticized for ordering flags at state government buildings to be lowered on Saturday, the day that Houston’s funeral services would be held in Newark.

His order was criticized both by those who thought that the honor should be reserved for recently deceased soldiers, first-responders and elected officials, and by those who thought it was wrong to honor an alleged drug addict.

Christie said he didn’t believe that Houston’s history of substance abuse “forfeited the good things she did.”

“I am disturbed by people who believe that because her ultimate demise — and we don’t know what is the cause of her death yet — but because of her history of substance abuse that somehow she’s forfeited the good things that she did in her life,” he said, according to the AP. “I just reject that on a human level.”

“What I would say to everybody is, ‘There but for the grace of God go I,’” he added.

The cause of Houston’s death is not clear, and the results on the toxicology tests taken after she died are pending.

Christie, calling Houston “a daughter of New Jersey,” also noted the cultural impact that the singer has had.

The Republican governor pointed out that he had ordered flags flown at half-staff for New Jersey’s 31 service members killed in action and every police officer slain in the line of duty during his time in office, according to the wire service.

Last year, Christie ordered flags lowered to half-staff for Clarence Clemons, the saxophonist for Bruce Springsteen’s E Street Band.

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


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To: mandaladon

Oh boy I dread when Springsteen kicks....We’ll never hear the end of it.....


51 posted on 02/16/2012 5:18:00 PM PST by geege
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To: ari-freedom
thank you...
52 posted on 02/16/2012 5:33:33 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Sudetenland

I don’t know dude, give me ray charles.


53 posted on 02/16/2012 5:42:46 PM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: ari-freedom

Tony Bennett is a liberal jerk. Couldn’t care less about his opinion.


54 posted on 02/16/2012 5:49:39 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: OldPossum

yeah, I understand they did it for Sinatra.


55 posted on 02/16/2012 5:51:28 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Of course, this is NOT the national flag, but before 9/11, even in my state this kind of thing did not happen for just every dead person.

Might as well just leave the thing at half-staff permanently and make it a memorial protesting death, itself.

56 posted on 02/16/2012 5:55:07 PM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: Rebelbase
Elvis was at least a US military veteran.
57 posted on 02/16/2012 6:12:00 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: SoFloFreeper
I’ll defend the action, though I may be in the minority.

I'll second you from Pennsylvania.

People just don't read:

If folks have complaints of previous actions they need to hit on Corzine and Whitman!

"We may not like that the whole country does not have OUR moral values but that is also freedom & we must respect it."
      -- Mark T. Grove

58 posted on 02/16/2012 6:14:35 PM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Lancey Howard
New Jersey Fats jumped the shark on this one. I didn’t take him for a pandering slimeball last year, but with the Supreme Court appointments and now this... pee yoo.

They don't call NJ "The Superfund State" for nothing.

59 posted on 02/16/2012 6:15:56 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: passionfruit

What could he be thinking?

Well, on the other hand, he didn’t take a sofa ride with nan or show up on the tarmac with a tee shirt....so....


60 posted on 02/16/2012 7:03:17 PM PST by flat
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To: mandaladon

What is happening for New Jersey. Lower the flag for state wide sadness. not because some pop star died. I would not even lower it because some soldure or police officer dies. That sort of thing happens too frequently. The flag should be lowed at most 1% of the year.

So pick only events that are likely to happens at most 1% of the year of State wide significance. If its a major military conflict Only lower the flag in response to major defeats or mass causality of soldiers from the state. Again rarity is the key!

The flag Must be flying high & proud 99% of the time or lowering it matters little.


61 posted on 02/16/2012 7:34:50 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: ntnychik

I never even heard her sing it, but as I understand it was good enough to be sold as a single (and that says something).


62 posted on 02/16/2012 7:55:06 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: Sudetenland

“I don’t care how many people praise a singer’s version of the national anthem, if they jazz it up or stylize it, then they are not singing it to honor our nation, they are singing it to aggrandize themselves.”

You’re right; she was one vicious person donating the proceeds as she did.

You’re clutching at straws.


63 posted on 02/16/2012 7:57:32 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: mass55th

“I didn’t realize that donating proceeds qualified one to have the flag flown at half-staff when you died.”

She didn’t ask to have the flags flown at half-mast; I guess if she was mean enough to donate her share of the proceeds to the troops she definitely shouldn’t be given that honor. She was too mean-spirited...


64 posted on 02/16/2012 7:59:41 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: mandaladon

Chris Christie is great at cutting spending but just can’t figure out ethical social questions. He’s an immediate gratification sorta humanist guy. Might explain his gluttonly problem.

Typical humanist. Who is he to judge lowering the flag for a singer who killed herself with drugs versus a lowering the flag for someone of National prominance who served our country? These people have no meaning in life beyond materialism and they puke their lack of dignity all over the nation. Whitney, a crack addict, is his hero.


65 posted on 02/16/2012 9:57:00 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: mandaladon

Sure vote getter in the black community.


66 posted on 02/16/2012 10:00:02 PM PST by Lucky2 (OMG - 0BAMA MUST GO!)
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To: mandaladon

Sure vote getter in the black community.


67 posted on 02/16/2012 10:00:36 PM PST by Lucky2 (OMG - 0BAMA MUST GO!)
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To: kearnyirish2
. . . and your oblivious to reality.

The fact that you can't or won't understand that changing the national anthem is an insult to our nation and a means of self aggrandizement, doesn't make it false. BTW, how do you know that she donated the proceeds, because she said so?--Self aggrandizement. The best most selfless charity is that charity about which no one knows.

She modifies the national anthem rather than sings it as it was written to impress those who are easily impressed by a person warbling all over the place, à la Mariah Cary. Funny how so many people have been able to sing it straight for all those years--decades--without feeling the need to jazz it up, until about 40 years ago when patriotism started becoming a dirty word in this society.
68 posted on 02/17/2012 6:08:05 AM PST by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: kearnyirish2

Oh yeah, and I should add that, either you don’t know what the term “self-aggrandizement” means, or you don’t know what “vicious” means, because I never said she was “vicious,” nor did I ever say she was a bad person . . . only that her rendition of the Star Spangled Banner was intended for self-aggrandizement, not patriotism.


69 posted on 02/17/2012 6:10:35 AM PST by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: Sudetenland

Sorry - the Jimi Hendrix doing SSB at Woodstock is one of the all time greatest versions. Every note of the stock melody is there...

And - You dont have to be singing the National Anthem to accuse some musicians of self-aggrandizement.


70 posted on 02/17/2012 6:23:22 AM PST by 2ndamendmentpa
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To: Hot Tabasco
and then she committed suicide.

I could accept the rest of your comment but not the above........No evidence whatsoever. It's just a tragic accident......

I agree it could have been a tragic accident if, say, she slipped on the bathroom floor and cracked her head open... or...she could have cracked her head open by feeding herself lethal doses of poison. I await the results of the autopsy.

71 posted on 02/17/2012 6:55:46 AM PST by immadashell
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To: microgood; mickie
"...since NO ONE has EVER or WILL EVER DO a better job than that."

"She achieved a level of PERFECTION FEW HUMANS EVER DO."

"She was the MOST TALENTED SINGER of that generation and maybe the MOST TALENTED EVER."

Oh, puhleez....give me a break.

Am I on FR?

72 posted on 02/17/2012 7:05:22 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: 2ndamendmentpa

Easily the most offensive version I have ever heard—with the possible exception of Rosanne Barrs screeching. Yes Hendrix’s musicianship and ability to extract sounds from his guitar/amps was amazing, but it was offensive to do it to our national anthem—and he knew he was defiling it when he did it.


73 posted on 02/17/2012 7:12:07 AM PST by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: SoFloFreeper
You understand wrong--according to the Courier-Post online:

"When Sinatra died in 1998, flags were not lowered by then-Gov. Christie Whitman."
74 posted on 02/17/2012 7:15:32 AM PST by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: microgood
"Everyone in this country is a drug addict except the Mormons. Of course the most popular one is caffeine. Besides, after her rendition of the Star Spangled Banner, she deserves a place in American history since noone has ever or will ever do a better job than that.

She may have fallen, but on that Super Bowl day in 1991 she achieved a level of perfection very few humans ever do, and that definitely puts her in front of first responders and elected officials.

Americans admire talent, and she was the most talented singer of that generation and may the most talented ever."
You must write for the Onion. Whitney Houston wasn't even close to being "the most talented ever." How pathetic that your exposure to talent is that limited . . . or that skewed.

Ever heard of Ella Fitzgerald, or Frank Sinatra--or any of the other myriad of big band/jazz artists? Heck, even Linda Ronstadt had better pipes than Houston.

Whitney Houston was a good talented singer, nothing more, nothing less. Get some perspective.
75 posted on 02/17/2012 7:26:36 AM PST by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: Sudetenland

Fortunately my understanding of the 10th amendment isn’t incorrect. Therefore I maintain my stance on the issue.


76 posted on 02/17/2012 7:29:30 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Beaten Valve
According to the Courier-Post Online, they did not lower it for Frank Sinatra:

"When Sinatra died in 1998, flags were not lowered by then-Gov. Christie Whitman."

It's only Cristie the panderer who has lowered the flag and our dignity to commemorate the death of an entertainer.
77 posted on 02/17/2012 7:29:59 AM PST by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: Sudetenland

Agree - Talented - but not an enduring talent.

And she had clearly sacrificed her artistic drive to indulge in her wealth.


78 posted on 02/17/2012 7:30:34 AM PST by 2ndamendmentpa
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To: SoFloFreeper

You can believe what you wish, I was only disputing to your assertion that Whitman lowered the flag to honor Frank Sinatra—which has absolutely nothing to do with the 10th Amendment.


79 posted on 02/17/2012 7:35:38 AM PST by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: mandaladon
Let's see....she willfully took drugs....she willfully drank too much...........she didn't take the *cure* ...the proven clear path for recovery. All her enablers can go pound sand, along with the RINO Christie. She should be elevated to sainthood. Meh.


80 posted on 02/17/2012 7:50:01 AM PST by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Sudetenland
Ever heard of Ella Fitzgerald, or Frank Sinatra--or any of the other myriad of big band/jazz artists? Heck, even Linda Ronstadt had better pipes than Houston.

I must admit when I was at a Linda Ronstadt concert and she sang Desperado, it was a religious experience.
81 posted on 02/17/2012 1:04:36 PM PST by microgood
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To: mandaladon

82 posted on 02/17/2012 1:10:06 PM PST by rottndog (Be Prepared for what's coming AFTER America....)
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To: microgood

LOL! Was it Linda’s voice, or the peyote? :)


83 posted on 02/17/2012 1:43:27 PM PST by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: MinuteGal
Oh, puhleez....give me a break.

You obviously have not heard this:

1991 SuperBowl Star Spangled Banner
84 posted on 02/17/2012 2:16:48 PM PST by microgood
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To: microgood
"You obviously haven't heard her Super Bowl Star Spangled Banner...."

Of course I heard it. Probably anyone on the internet saw it posted a thousand times as soon as she died.

She had an excellent voice and did a very good job on the anthem.

Leni

85 posted on 02/17/2012 3:37:56 PM PST by MinuteGal
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To: Daffynition

I saw the face of Whitney Houston in my breakfast burrito this morning. Further, I have heard that fifty patients in the local hospital cancer ward have been healed after watching the Houston funeral services.


86 posted on 02/18/2012 12:23:09 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Sudetenland

Agree completely. The “soulful” versions of the Star Spangled Banner are awful and that’s what I thought the first time I heard one of them. And they were around long before Whitney Houston


87 posted on 02/20/2012 2:29:43 PM PST by dennisw (A nation of sheep breeds a government of Democrat wolves!)
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