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Dick Smith Extends $1m Offer To Defkalion
Ecat News ^ | February 16, 2012 | Admin

Posted on 02/16/2012 6:32:21 PM PST by Kevmo

Updated: Dick Smith Extends $1m Offer To Defkalion February 16, 2012

Following Andrea Rossi’s refusal of Dick Smith’s $1m test offer, the Australian Businessman and skeptic has now extended that offer to Defkalion. While a cursory check has been made on his identity, care should be taken until it is confirmed by his office. The offer was made in answer to a question in the eCatNews comments section:

No X price but of course I would be happy to make a similar $1 million offer to Defkalion

It of course will be a waste of time as they are both clearly similar scams.

Already Defkalion have announced that there will be delays in their 7. “inderpendent ” tests because the process ” of determining testing dates”. Will be “more time consuming than we thought”.

Ha ha. I could have predicted this delay while more investment capital is raised from the gullible.

The independent tests will never happen.

If they want to repeat the demo they gave Sterling Allan with a few simple protocols and they get a COP of at least 3 they can have the money.

If they do agree they will then delay delay delay . I have seen it all before.

While Rossi’s refusal can be justified (in my opinion) by his claimed plan to mass manufacture the eCat, it will be a little harder to understand Defkalion doing the same. According to the company, it is conducting tests after inviting any credible body to visit and prove the Hyperion for themselves. They further state that the tester will then be free to publish their results.

This means that they have made the strategic decision to prove themselves. Here is a perfect opportunity to do just that. Recently, I have been impressed by DGT’s apparent professionalism, all the time aware that they have shown nothing of substance and certainly a lot less than Andrea Rossi.

If they refuse or obfuscate, I would have to finally agree with others and wonder why.

We need to see the offer in official form and then the future of Defkalion lies in what they do next. I hope they grab the opportunity with both hands.

Update…

Defkalion GT provisionally accepted Dick Smith’s offer. Rightly, they require a formal approach and confirmation of identity. The acceptance is also related to the structure of the tests they are currently setting up. It should be simple for the Australian Skeptics to prove their case with full control and a long enough run using this protocol so, if Dick’s offer is genuine, I think he has a real opportunity to break the jam on behalf of the rest of the world.

From Defkalion’s forum:

So far we have not officially received (through a telephone, letter, fax or e-mail) any such offer published in different sites. If the offer and the “donor” are real, we will accept the challenge, performing a test under the protocol we have announced in our last Press Release (viewtopic.php?f=4&t=926&start=210).

In case this is a real proposal, we will accept an official letter and a proof of donated funds from a prime bank before any such testing.

Also note that our first independent official tests are starting on 24th of February 2012. DGT

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Yes! February 16, 2012

I will let Mr Smith speak for himself…

Yes. I am the real Dick Smith and the offer is genuine.

I will contact Defkalion and organize the simple testing protocols. Does anyone have the best email address?

The $1 m must go to an individual- not some big company. That person can then forward it on if they want to.

As I am convinced this is a scam similar to Firepower International ( make sure you look it up on Wikipedia) I I am not prepared to waste money on this until the test conditions have been agreed on.

As with the Rossie challenge the test must be one where the result will be accepted by reasonable people in the scientific community .

I hope the Swedish scientists will be involved. If not I feel sure we can get equivalent independent experts.

And…

Thanks for the suggestion. I would like to this live on international television- say the U S 60 minutes.

But unfortunately I am convinced that the offer will end up like my offer to Rossi.

They will find some excuse to delay or back out . I have seen it all before!

And…

It has been pointed out that a COP of three would not be high enough to be accepted by the scientific community as LENR.

In that case I will accept the COP minimum that would be accepted or the COP that Defkalion claim they can offer for the tests they are conducting

I want it to be fair for all sides.

As always, this needs to be authenticated but it appears genuine.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: cmns; coldfusion; ecat; lenr
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1 posted on 02/16/2012 6:32:31 PM PST by Kevmo
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2 posted on 02/16/2012 6:33:30 PM PST by Kevmo (If you can define a man by the depravity of his enemies, Rick Santorum must be a noble soul indeed.)
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To: Kevmo

I was really hoping that Rossi had something, but at this point it’s pretty hard to see him as anything other than a charlatan.


3 posted on 02/16/2012 6:37:54 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (I am pro-Jesus, anti-abortion, pro-limited government, anti-GOP.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

The difference between a charlatan and a crackpot is that one believes in what he’s selling and the other doesn’t. I think Rossi is more on the crackpot side of that continuum.


4 posted on 02/16/2012 6:42:23 PM PST by Kevmo (If you can define a man by the depravity of his enemies, Rick Santorum must be a noble soul indeed.)
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To: Kevmo

There is an old adage: The first person the con man convinces is himself.

I was up front and personal on a con, and this was the case. Not always, but it explains a lot of cases.


5 posted on 02/16/2012 7:00:16 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Kevmo

No, he’s a charlatan. This is not his first scam.


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10 posted on 02/17/2012 4:59:18 AM PST by fuente
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To: ClearCase_guy
I was really hoping that Rossi had something, but at this point it’s pretty hard to see him as anything other than a charlatan.

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11 posted on 02/17/2012 5:05:18 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 ! We should take off and Newt washington from orbit.)
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To: Kevmo
Kevmo, you forgot your signature Rossi rant! According to Google search, you've posted it at least 98 times (LINK).

Here, let me do it for you:

Unfortunately, if Rossi did the following:

1) hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps,

2) created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos,

3) bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos

4) arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real,

5) got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field,

6) got Bushnell to make a fool of himself,

7) and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum ----- or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow,

8) sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; ----- certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device ----- and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan

9) and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion ----- to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, ----- to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam

[the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars ----- until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table ----- because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes ----- and knows that they will just take his word for it ----- and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) ]

10) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out

then, yes, all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses.

12 posted on 02/17/2012 5:16:09 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: D-fendr
There is an old adage: The first person the con man convinces is himself.

Is that where George Costanza got "it's not a lie if you believe it's true?"

13 posted on 02/17/2012 5:16:25 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Johnny B.
then, yes, all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses.

Should we thank Kevmo for the compliment?

14 posted on 02/17/2012 5:18:45 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Johnny B.
Let's see how Kevmo's prognostication has worked out so far:
1) hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps,
There was only one "customer rep" of any note, who Rossi claimed was a "NATO Colonel and engineer" named Domenico Fioravanti. No one has been able to find a shred of evidence that there is any such person. No NATO records, no menbership in any professional organizations, no references to schools or degrees, no newspaper clippings, no nothing. It certainly appears that there is no such "NATO Colonel and engineer".
2) created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos,
Yup, that's a very good description of what Rossi did last year. The fact that he absolutely refuses to allow anyone to have any access to an E-Cat now strongly suggests that one or more of the "tricks" he used to fake his results has been figured out, and would be obvious on any new examination. Rossi just refused to accept $1 million to simply duplicate an earlier test.
3) bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos
It's looking more and more like there are going to be some very embarassed and throughly discredited LENR researchers, but the final results aren't in yet.

Note that Kullander promised to have a "detailed isotopic analysis" of the Nickel reactant from Rossi's E-Cat "in time for Christmas". That would have gone a long way towards either proving or disproving Rossi's claims.

We're still waiting.

4) arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real,
This is the biggest fallacy among the "True Believers". Even if LENR is real (and I believe that there is something there, but in 25 years, no one has managed to prove it's more than a laboratory oddity), it doesn't mean that Rossi is legitimate. "Cold Fusion" is an area ripe for con men. Everyone has heard of it, but nobody understands it (not even the "experts"; note that none of them can use a theory to predict what a LENR reactor will do), and there is the promise of vast wealth for whoever can make it work. It's the absolute ideal environment for a con artist.
5) got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field,
"Saying nice things" is hardly proof of anything. NASA tried to give Rossi a sympathetic hearing, but Rossi wouldn't or couldn't make his gadget work for them. Perhaps he feared that the NASA reps wouldn't be as gullible as the LENR researchers?
6) got Bushnell to make a fool of himself,
If Rossi is a fraud (as is becoming more clear all the time), there will be a lot of "experts" who will be shown to be fools.
7) and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum ----- or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow,
Ampenergo has been shut down. Their business record in New Hampshire was made inactive just months after it was created. Their pathetic web site is still up, but their email server rejects any emails with a "permanent delivery failure".
8) sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; ----- certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device ----- and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan
That "first device" is still sitting, unused, in his warehouse. There is no sign of Rossi actually selling an E-Cat. Note that three months ago, he was claiming delivery of the Megawatt E-Cat "in three months", which means that his first customers should be receiving them now. There's no sign of any deliveries, nor of any customers who are unhappy that they haven't received their E-Cats.
9) and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion ----- to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, ----- to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam
This one is still interesting. Defkalion has been talking a good game recently, but they still haven't actually done anything beyond posting messages on their web site. They are claiming that they will begin independent testing on 2/24, so we will see how that goes. If they really do this, then the whole world changes. If they find some excuse not to really do this (such as dueling lawsuits with Rossi), then they are almost certainly just another fraud.

Note that there has already been at least one attempt to create a "competing mirror-scam". Kevmo posted an article about "Aussie Guy" who was claiming that Rossi was legit (LINK). But it turned out that Aussie Guy was really a well-known con man himself (LINK).

[the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars
As stated above, there is still no actual evidence that Rossi has sold anything other than "franchises". The 1MW plant still sits, unused, in Rossi's warehouse.
10) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible
There is plenty of evidence that Rossi was careful about who he allowed to watch his tests, and under what conditions. Jed Rothwell had been invited to "investigate" a test, but the offer was rescinded when Rothwell insisted on bringing his own test equipment. Rossi refused to demonstrate his gadget to NASA or Quantum, once he found out that they were insisting on a serious investigation instead of the "dog & pony" shows he normally put on.

15 posted on 02/17/2012 6:04:01 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.

Oops! Forgot to close the link. Oh, well, it doesn’t effect the content.


16 posted on 02/17/2012 6:07:09 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.

• Here’s my standard ‘ignore’ post to Johnny B.
This will be my standard post to you that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. You’ve proven you’re just here to harass; you have demonstrated that you are not here to discuss things on a level that Free Republic intended.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2832338/posts?page=51#51


17 posted on 02/17/2012 9:04:52 PM PST by Kevmo (If you can define a man by the depravity of his enemies, Rick Santorum must be a noble soul indeed.)
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To: ZX12R

So... this isn’t even a Rossi thread and you seagulls post stuff about Rossi just so you can leave your ‘business’ behind.


18 posted on 02/17/2012 9:07:10 PM PST by Kevmo (If you can define a man by the depravity of his enemies, Rick Santorum must be a noble soul indeed.)
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To: Kevmo
Ah, but it is about Rossi, since:
  1. Dick Smith first became involved in this issue because he was approached to invest in the Australian "franchise" for Rossi's E-Cat.
  2. Dick Smith only offered Defkalion the million dollars because Rossi rejected the same offer (saying he was too busy and he doesn't need the money).

19 posted on 02/17/2012 10:53:27 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Kevmo
Here’s my standard ‘ignore’ post to Johnny B.
I find it amusing that you continue to ignore me, even though you appear to be coming to the realization that your pathological defense of Rossi has been given to, in your own word, a "crackpot".
20 posted on 02/17/2012 11:04:49 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.

• Here’s my standard ‘ignore’ post to Johnny B.
This will be my standard post to you that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. You’ve proven you’re just here to harass; you have demonstrated that you are not here to discuss things on a level that Free Republic intended.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2832338/posts?page=51#51


21 posted on 02/18/2012 4:01:13 AM PST by Kevmo (If you can define a man by the depravity of his enemies, Rick Santorum must be a noble soul indeed.)
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To: Johnny B.

• Here’s my standard ‘ignore’ post to Johnny B.
This will be my standard post to you that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. You’ve proven you’re just here to harass; you have demonstrated that you are not here to discuss things on a level that Free Republic intended.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2832338/posts?page=51#51


22 posted on 02/18/2012 4:01:46 AM PST by Kevmo (If you can define a man by the depravity of his enemies, Rick Santorum must be a noble soul indeed.)
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To: Kevmo
Here’s my standard ‘ignore’ post to Johnny B.
You're repeating yourself. That's a early sign of senility. You should have yourself tested.
23 posted on 02/18/2012 4:47:00 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: dangerdoc; citizen; Liberty1970; Red Badger; Wonder Warthog; PA Engineer; glock rocks; free_life; ..

$1m Challenge Is Dead
February 21, 2012

http://ecatnews.com/?p=2081

Dick Smith’s $1m challenge to Defkalion ended when the Australian businessman pulled out. Citing Defkalion’s insistence on secrecy as a deal killer, Smith will watch the outcome of the forthcoming Hyperion tests before deciding what to do next.

The result is unsurprising given the Aussie’s determination to publish events and communications as they happen. Convinced that both Rossi and Defkalion are conducting a scam, he felt no need to hide his scorn and many watchers (this one included) could see where things were headed from minute one. The hard sceptics will blame Defkalion and many others, Smith.

One thing is evident, living with this story and its twists and turns, it is easy to forget how complex the subject is. It became quickly obvious that Dick lacked an understanding of those intricacies and while that is understandable, it put him at a disadvantage when trying to convince others that they should listen to his wisdom. That is a shame because absent detail, he could see a clear pattern unmuddied by distracting textures.

Before he appeared, I was gathering pros and cons to revisit a post I made some months ago looking at evidence for and against the eCat. Then, I concluded that anyone certain that this was a scam was not thinking straight or did not know enough about it. The subsequent revelation that the 1MW container had not been shipped was heaped on to the mystery of the secret customer and then the second customer that was to be revealed before AR apparently changed his mind.

Dick Smith’s appearance coincided with the NI reveal and I have to admit that the pattern I saw develop at Steorn was beginning to look very familiar.

You might think eCatNews has gone to the dark side but that is not so. My confidence is dented but not destroyed. Always reserving judgement, my scepticism was pragmatic – hope dressed in a show-me frame, I always felt there was enough circumstantial evidence to make this worth following. That is what I think now. Dick Smith’s certainty is misplaced in my opinion but it is well meant. I hope that no matter what happens with the eCat or Hyperion he decides to do something positive to promote LENR. To start, he should talk to people in the field to understand what is going on and he should join the rest of us to learn as we watch Defkalion and Rossi explode or change the world.

With the $1m challenge gone, the floor is Defkalion’s. So far, they have managed an air of professionalism. Let’s hope they produce the goods over the coming weeks. I would place a bet that they will demonstrate LENR convincingly but I will reserve a call on Hyperion’s utility until we know more. Hope is tinged with realism but it is still there.

We should not forget how important a successful demonstration of a robust and controllable cold fusion reaction is. In 1989 it sparked world headlines. Shrouded in so much controversy, who knows what will happen next?


24 posted on 02/21/2012 10:25:28 PM PST by Kevmo (If you can define a man by the depravity of his enemies, Rick Santorum must be a noble soul indeed.)
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