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Rick Santorum suggests opposition to public schooling
cbsnews.com ^ | February 15, 2012 | Brian Montopoli

Posted on 02/16/2012 6:55:15 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

Campaigning in Idaho on Tuesday, Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum suggested that he is opposed to a public school system overseen by the government.

"We didn't have government-run schools for a long time in this country, for the majority of the time in this country," he said. "We had private education. We had local education. Parents actually controlled the education of their children. What a great idea that is."

Santorum's campaign did not respond to multiple requests for an explanation of whether he was calling for an end to public schooling as it now exists. But the former Pennsylvania senator has previously made his antagonism known. Campaigning in March, Santorum took a shot at public schools.

"Just call them what they are," he said. "Public schools? That's a nice way of putting it. These are government-run schools."

Santorum makes a point of his support for home schooling. All of his children have been home schooled, and he has even suggested he would home school in the White House, a situation that he said "would certainly be a shock to the establishment."

The Hill newspaper mined Santorum's 2005 book It Takes a Family for his views on schooling. In that book, Santorum called "mass education" an "aberration."

"Never before and never again after their years of mass education will any person live and work in such a radically narrow, age-segregated environment," wrote Santorum. "It's amazing that so many kids turn out to be fairly normal, considering the weird socialization they get in public schools."

He added: "In a home school, by contrast, children interact in a rich and complex way with adults and children of other ages all the time. In general, they are better-adjusted, more at ease with adults, more capable of conversation, more able to notice when a younger child needs help or comfort, and in general a lot better socialized than their mass-schooled peers."

Santorum has not always home schooled his children, however. When Santorum was serving in the Senate, he decided to effectively move his family to Virginia - a situation that would cause political problems for the then-Pennsylvania senator.

Santorum did not enroll his kids in local Pennsylvania schools, and he did not home school them: Instead, he enrolled five of them in the Pennsylvania Cyber Charter School. The "cyber" school is considered a public school, as Mother Jones notes, where students have to meet state requirements. It also provides free computers and other perks, and the Penn Hills school district ended up shelling out $38,000 per year for the Santorum children.

Santorum reportedly ended up withdrawing his children from the school. He did not repay the district, though the state ultimately paid the district $55,000 to cover the tuition fees.


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KEYWORDS: charterschools; education; santorum; whiner
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1 posted on 02/16/2012 6:55:17 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The concept is VERY appealing. Break up the power of the NEA


2 posted on 02/16/2012 6:56:50 PM PST by rovenstinez
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I guess we should expect more of these misleading headlines from here through November.

What CBS News meant to say was Santorum is for locally run public schools.

3 posted on 02/16/2012 6:58:02 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Wow. Every once in a while, I find myself totally agreeing with Rick Santorum.


4 posted on 02/16/2012 6:59:06 PM PST by mangonc2
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To: skeeter

exactly

You can expect the MSM to keep lying


5 posted on 02/16/2012 6:59:59 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Rick is right.


6 posted on 02/16/2012 7:00:25 PM PST by ConservativeTeen (Proud Right Wing Extremist)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Santorum essentially did what any other citizen could have done. None the less, the people who write these articles try to word them in such a manner as to imply that Santorum gamed the system and skated on a big bill he should have paid. That isn’t true.

Any kid that is enrolled in those schools gets what Santorum’s kids did.


7 posted on 02/16/2012 7:00:51 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: metmom; wintertime

It may be that the homeschooling community has a candidate to rally around and support.


8 posted on 02/16/2012 7:03:32 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (A chameleon belongs in a pet store, not the White House)
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9 posted on 02/16/2012 7:04:16 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Media is warming up to “Palin” Santorum. They are only at about 1% strength right now. GOP’ers can’t say ANYTHING of substance at all without it being mischaracterized. Of course, Obama can say ANYTHING, knowing the media has his back. It is sad how little the “conservative media” has progressed in the past 4 years.


10 posted on 02/16/2012 7:08:00 PM PST by montag813
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To: skeeter
What CBS News meant to say was Santorum is for locally run public schools.

While not perfect, its a step in the right direction. Besides, we simply aren't going to do away with public schools any time in the immediate future. Local control at least gives us a fighting chance to improve them.
11 posted on 02/16/2012 7:13:42 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: DaveLoneRanger; Tired of Taxes

Homeschool Ping.


12 posted on 02/16/2012 7:16:58 PM PST by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini--nevertheless, Vote Santorum!)
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To: mangonc2

I agree. Can’t stand him. Don’t think he’ll sell in the general. I think he’s totally humorless and off putting.

But he’s damned right on this issue, right on the money.


13 posted on 02/16/2012 7:23:14 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I'm not a big Santorum fan, with I agree with this concept entirely. Put the schools back in local hands and give the parents their power back over their own children.

This government controlled crap started with school integration...well that is done now, and we have enough (more than enough) civil rights laws to prevent a return to yesteryear. What we need in schools is discipline, and neutering the union devotees in the educators ranks. The don't care about the kids, just the pensionsa and tenure...oh, and S O C I A L issues.


14 posted on 02/16/2012 7:26:16 PM PST by FrankR (You are only enslaved to the extent of the entitlements you receive.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I can understand how you might think he can’t win the general...it’s the “can’t stand him” part that seems disproportionate. He isn’t my first or second choice, but I can “stand him” ;-) In fact, I can stand him a whole lot better than mittens.


15 posted on 02/16/2012 7:35:13 PM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: achilles2000

I’m thinking that these clowns in the media and in both parties are working together. Like both supporting the same types of people.

Big example to make you think - -

Hey you know Romney actually lost in Maine and Santorum is on a roll as soon as the recount is over. What a scam - and the Republicans in Maine (RINOs) in charge seemed to have neglected all of the areas where Paul won, meaning Paul won Main, not the flop Romney who is on a losing streak losing the last 4. 3 to Santorum and one to Paul. Look how disgustingly they tried to hide it. Normally I do not like MSNBC but take a look at the video ...something is rotten in Maine big time. America is in trouble folks they are pushing through Romney no matter what. it is giving me the feel that we are some dictatorship of the bankers and the Federal reserve more and more - here is Maddow telling what is up in Main alone. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pngwcQQW5bA&feature=player_embedded


16 posted on 02/16/2012 7:40:31 PM PST by DebraAI
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Well, the first step would be simple enough. Close down the Department of Education. Completely. And rescind all of the laws connected with it.


17 posted on 02/16/2012 7:41:09 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I’ve listened to him sub for Bill Bennett on Morning in America.
If you can, find the morning that Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize.

Santorum was anything but humorless. The Press just portrays him the way they want you to see him.


18 posted on 02/16/2012 7:45:13 PM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: achilles2000
I can understand how you might think he can’t win the general...it’s the “can’t stand him” part that seems disproportionate.

I can understand your sentiments, but in all honesty, he grates on my last nerve. Certain things bother different people, and nothing bothers me as much as self righteousness and hyprocrisy, and I see both all over RS. Another thing that bugs me is mediocre talent attempting to do big time things, and RS has gotten away with that due to some very fortunate turns in the events surrounding Mitt and Newt. Not only that, but he is totally humorless and most totally humorless folks I've known are frankly not that bright.

But as I said, he is totally right on this particular subject and I always put ideas ahead of personality.

19 posted on 02/16/2012 7:45:54 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: DebraAI

The Maine story is astonishing. RP almost certainly won, and they simply declared Mittens the winner to keep his campaign alive.


20 posted on 02/16/2012 7:47:05 PM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: netmilsmom
Santorum was anything but humorless. The Press just portrays him the way they want you to see him

Now that is totally insulting on your part. While I'll take your advice and try and come up with some audio of the Nobel Peace Prize morning, please don't patronize me as if my opinion of Santorum is based on any damned thing the press has said. It is not. It is from 20 years of observing the man myself.

21 posted on 02/16/2012 7:48:16 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: DebraAI

The Maine story is astonishing. RP almost certainly won, and they simply declared Mittens the winner to keep his campaign alive.


22 posted on 02/16/2012 7:48:16 PM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: DebraAI

The Maine story is astonishing. RP almost certainly won, and they simply declared Mittens the winner to keep his campaign alive.


23 posted on 02/16/2012 7:48:49 PM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Tailgunner Joe

CBS is REALLY on the warpath for god Barack today.


24 posted on 02/16/2012 7:49:34 PM PST by cookcounty (Newt 2012: ---> Because he got it DONE.)
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To: Cicero; All
Compare side by side this and this.

Honor system -- no skimming, no skipping one and lingering on the other. Please take the challenge and read every single word of BOTH, fair shake. Take the time -- you owe it to your country and to America's children.

25 posted on 02/16/2012 7:50:05 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"We didn't have government-run schools for a long time in this country, for the majority of the time in this country," he said. "We had private education. We had local education. Parents actually controlled the education of their children. What a great idea that is."

Santorum is 100% correct on this. Government run schools have failed the students, their parents and the taxpayers. More politicians and pundits should have the courage to speak out on this and tell it like it is.

I'd like to see an end to all government run schools.

26 posted on 02/16/2012 7:56:19 PM PST by CrosscutSaw (Palin/West after brokered GOP convention in 2012.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

>>Now that is totally insulting on your part.<<

My apology if you felt insulted.
That morning, I sat waiting to cross children at our local school and listened to Rick. I laughed so hard I nearly wet myself.

While I was actually not stating that your total opinion was spoonfed by the MSM, you have to admit that ANY drop of sunshine from anyone with an R after his name is hidden like a horcrux in Harry Potter.

When Santorum and Glenn Beck get together it’s fun too!


27 posted on 02/16/2012 7:56:24 PM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Which president put his kids into the local dc school? Did any?

Homeschooling is private schooling.

I’m all for abolishing fed control of k-12 education. Period. Look. It isn’t working.

Taxpayers here pay $12,000 a year to educate every kid. I pay far less than $1000 a year per kid to homeschool and we get a lot of cool stuff. To have a homeschooling family in the WH would be awesome.


28 posted on 02/16/2012 7:56:41 PM PST by Yaelle (Go Santorum!)
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To: CrosscutSaw

Have you seen this doofus explain that parents don’t know what’s best for their kids? Only educators can serve them in their best interest....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M30FIL82vuQ


29 posted on 02/16/2012 7:58:41 PM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: Yaelle

Wouldn’t it be nice if we could get that 12,000 a year to educate our own?

Geez, we blow 400.00 a year on Switched on Schoolhouse and it is good for both kids. That extra 11,600 can buy a lot of printer paper and ink!


30 posted on 02/16/2012 8:01:07 PM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Santorum with Chrissy Wallace showed that he has quite the sense of humor and kind of a sly smart one. I find him very genuine and likable without any hiding.


31 posted on 02/16/2012 8:02:26 PM PST by Yaelle (Go Santorum!)
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To: cripplecreek
Besides, we simply aren't going to do away with public schools any time in the immediate future.

I did away with it long ago. My kids have never seen the inside of a public school. It doesn't take legislation to do away with public schools, it takes conservatives who are willing to choose an alternative.

32 posted on 02/16/2012 8:05:37 PM PST by ALPAPilot
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To: Yaelle

With due respect, RS could make a bodily noise and you would respond that it was smart and funny.


33 posted on 02/16/2012 8:06:26 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: C. Edmund Wright

(personally, I’d vote for a ziplock bag over Obama)


34 posted on 02/16/2012 8:08:32 PM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: CrosscutSaw
Newt states flat-out that he'd like to cut the Department of Education down to where it's "only role will be to collect research and data, and help find new and innovative approaches to then be adopted voluntarily at the local level."

I'd rather he'd left off the second part, but hey, I'd JUMP at having that kind of axe taken to the Federal Dept. of Education.

Wouldn't you?

... Santorum's webpage doesn't mention the Dept. of Ed. at all, unless I missed it.

Granted, we could sure do a lot worse than Santorum. I'd vote for him over Obama. But here's the deal ... we could also do a lot better than Santorum.

Godspeed Newt Gingrich.

35 posted on 02/16/2012 8:08:43 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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He’s framing it in a way that will put off the uninformed. This guy will get hammered in the General with these overly simplistic remarks.

Public schools were once decent, and many still are. Rick should underscore the infestation of Leftism that destroying the virtues of PE.

Come on, Santorum, get a clue.


36 posted on 02/16/2012 8:08:48 PM PST by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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To: netmilsmom

You may get your chance.


37 posted on 02/16/2012 8:09:34 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Clintonfatigued

“It may be that the homeschooling community has a candidate to rally around and support.”

Which amounts to maybe two percent of the population, who vote conservative anyway.


38 posted on 02/16/2012 8:12:35 PM PST by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: Clintonfatigued; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; adopt4Christ; ...

HOMESCHOOL PING

This ping list is for articles of interest to homeschoolers. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping List. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added or removed from either list, or both.

The keyword for the FREE REPUBLIC HOMESCHOOLERS’ FORUM is frhf.

39 posted on 02/16/2012 8:15:48 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Finny

OK, I have done what you asked. But just looking at the names on the links reveals what always annoys me about Newt Gingrich (since this seems to be a thread where we all get to talk about what personally annoys us about candidates).

Specifically, Santorum had this long, inviting name: “restoring america’s greatness through educational freedom and opportunity”. Without reading a word of it, I think “who could be against that? I love greatness, I love educational freedom, I love opportunity.

Gingrich?: “A 21st Century Learning System”. OK. Policy Wonk time. More “making our lives better through better government programs”.

In the details, Gingrich has some good stuff, Santorum has some good stuff. Santorum starts with parental freedom, Gingrich from reforming government.


40 posted on 02/16/2012 8:17:26 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Tailgunner Joe

That’s it, Santorum will be a DISASTER for the Republicans. LOL.

It is interesting to see reporters actually digging up dirt...some of which takes a LOT of time to find. One doesn’t think that maybe they’re getting some help...


41 posted on 02/16/2012 8:28:00 PM PST by BobL (I don't care about his past - Santorum will BRING THE FIGHT to Obama)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

“I agree. Can’t stand him. Don’t think he’ll sell in the general. I think he’s totally humorless and off putting.
But he’s damned right on this issue, right on the money.”

That’s a CLASS comment.


42 posted on 02/16/2012 8:29:43 PM PST by BobL (I don't care about his past - Santorum will BRING THE FIGHT to Obama)
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To: BobL

WOW! I’m so shocked....SHOCKED!!!! at what a loony he is right?

I mean, next thing you know, we’ll hear he likes to hang out with terrorists who bombed the Pentagon!

Maybe we’ll even find out he’s a marxist who wants to completely disarm our country once he gets control of the nukes!!!! /s


43 posted on 02/16/2012 8:33:07 PM PST by Scotswife
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To: BobL

Well, some folks won’t ever say anything bad about their candidate.
Some won’t ever say anything good about another candidate.

Sorry if the honesty caught you off guard.


44 posted on 02/16/2012 8:38:53 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: C. Edmund Wright

“Sorry if the honesty caught you off guard.”

That’s ok...it’s just rare here.


45 posted on 02/16/2012 8:50:10 PM PST by BobL (I don't care about his past - Santorum will BRING THE FIGHT to Obama)
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To: Clintonfatigued

This homeschool mom supports Newt!

—Protect the rights of home-schooled children by ensuring they have the same access to taxpayer funded, extra-curricular educational opportunities as any public school student.

—Shrink the federal Department of Education and return power to states and communities. The Department’s only role will be to collect research and data, and help find new and innovative approaches to then be adopted voluntarily at the local level.

From his 21st Century Learning System page
http://www.newt.org/solutions/21st-century-learning-system


46 posted on 02/16/2012 8:51:22 PM PST by georgiagirl_pam (Step One: SECURE YOUR DOOR! (it will give you time to get your gun!) mysafedoor.com)
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To: Finny

HEre’s a specific example of how Gingrich overthinks things.

He proposes pell grants for parents to pay for school of their choice. That infers that public schools will now get part of their funding through school choice. But schools are not free to do whatever they want, and while there are some things a school could do to be “more competitive”, a lot of it is age of building, the population of kids around the school, and the existing teacher base, which schools aren’t free to fire at will.

But at least it’s an idea. Then he proposes that if a parent home-schools, they get to keep the pell grants or get tax credits. Here’s the problem: not only does that give parents a financial incentive to home-school (there are parents who should never home-school, and they might well choose to deny their kids an education just to earn money). Worse, why do the parents of children get a tax break, and not the people who don’t even HAVE children?

Schools are generally paid for with property taxes. Those without kids complain they pay property taxes but don’t get any benefits. We take their money and use it to pay for schools. But it would be worse if you told them that the parents who DO have kids actually get money back for not using the schools. That’s like taking money from childless couples and handing it over to couples with children.

But that’s what happens with a big-idea mentality. You oversolve problems.


47 posted on 02/16/2012 8:52:19 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Thank you for reading every word of each one.

When I see a phrase like "“restoring america’s greatness through educational freedom and opportunity,” I see the verbal equivalent of cake frosting. Empty fluff. I read on and for the next entire essay, it is similar throughout -- sweeping statements the most part of which can be said, "Who could be against that?" because it's safe and general. Lots of telling what he'd do, but not a lot of showing.

When I see "A 21st Century Learning System" I see policy wonk. I read on, and I see specifics, some I like, some I don't. I see words and language used to SHOW how he'd do what he explains he wants to do.

There's a difference between telling and showing in writing. Telling is a sign of weak writing, and weak writing is a sign of scattered, and even lazy thinking. The fact that Newt shows things tells me he knows what he's doing.

Godspeed Newt Gingrich.

48 posted on 02/16/2012 8:53:17 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: BobL

Yeah, that was my point. Too bad too.


49 posted on 02/16/2012 8:55:07 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Santorum will never win in the general election. He does not stand a chance. He is savoring his status as flavor of the month.


50 posted on 02/16/2012 8:55:18 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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