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Another View of the Syrian “Revolt” (200 Christians killed in Homs by Free Syrian Army)
Blackfive.net ^ | Feb 10, 2012 | Froggy

Posted on 02/18/2012 7:56:40 AM PST by Zhang Fei

In September 2011, I traveled to Lebanon with members of my church to attend a Christian Conference there in Beirut. During that trip I had the opportunity to travel throughout the country visiting the ancient cities of Byblos, Tyre, and Sidon. I also had the chance to visit the city of Zahle, which is the largest, all Christian city in the Middle East. Zahle sits on the western slope of the infamous Bekaa Valley where many large battles in the Lebanese Civil War were fought. Today, it is a fertile region known for its great wineries. In Zahle, I had a chance to meet with dozens of Christian leaders that were in town from all across Syria and many other Lebanese who have deep familial connections to Syria. The first thing I learned from them was that the only two countries in the Middle East where Christians are completely free to worship openly are Lebanon and Syria. The second thing I learned was that Syrian Christians are key supporters of the Assad regime. That’s when my conversations became interesting…

At that time, the burgeoning insurgency in Syria was beginning to become a regular news item in the US, and I was desperate for some local perspective. I assumed that fellow Christians would be opposed to Assad for the same reasons I am; namely his support of terrorism, his affiliation with the repressive Iranian regime, and his family history of open warfare and conflict with Israel. As it turns out, while those high minded objections to Assad are perfectly rational and reasonable sitting in front of a computer in California, Syrian Christians have other things to be concerned about. For instance, surviving in a nation full of radicalized Sunnis that support Hamas, and Shia that support Hizb’allah. The Assad regime is of the Alawite branch of Islam, which is kind of a despised offshoot of the Shia sect and only accounts for about 10% of the population. The Christian community there is estimated to be 12-15% and so the Assads long ago forged a political alliance with them the basis of which pretty much boils down to, “If you support me, I’ll protect you from the angry Muslim hoards that surround you, and if not, well good luck with that.” This is not unlike the arrangement that Christians made in Iraq with Saddam Hussein. It’s not so much that the Christians support either Assad or Hussein as much as they don’t actively oppose them since neither dictator was particularly concerned about whether his actions were drawing much affirmative “support”.

The Syrian Christians to a man told me that the “freedom fighters” where nothing more than Sunni Jihadists looking to take advantage of the various “Arab Spring” movements that had been successfully overthrowing stable dictatorships throughout the region in favor of radicalized Muslim groups affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood and al Qaeda. They told me at that time that these groups were not only the main aggressors in the conflict, but that they were specifically targeting Christians for both religious persecution and for political retaliation. Several told me that in Homs the graffiti left by the insurgents often stated, “Alawites to the grave, Christians to the cross.” They told me that rather than the Syrian Army crushing this resistance movement as the Iranians had in 2009, they were actually trying to protect their core constituents from a murder and intimidation campaign that was beginning to mirror what al Qaeda had perpetrated in Iraq during 05-06. The clear strategy of the “freedom fighters” was to attack civilian targets and local police as a way of drawing the Army into a campaign of suppression that they could use to fight the media battle in the western press. Funny, that strategy rings a bell doesn’t it?

Fast forward to today when I sent an email to one of these leaders to ask him again about his interpretation of events:

Dear Matt,

Greetings from Lebanon!

Glad to hear from you.

Izdihar is now in Damascus visiting her ill mother. I guess that she is in the process of preparing a full report for you and the church.

I am just sent you a prayer request in a separate message.

Violence has been escalating in Syria particularly in the last week. The media is playing a dirty game in this regard. Our relatives and friends in Homs are sharing with us that more than 200 Christians have been killed in the city. Most of them were shot by Islamiscts/Jihadists that claim to be “freedom fighters”. They committed unbelievable atrocities ranging from looting to rape and murder. Even our Presbyterian church in Homs was not spared as they control the street where the church is located. Many Christians and other minority groups left Homs if they were able. The army was playing a somehow passive role, but it seems that it decided now to act and face the so called Syrian Free Army. I surely do not quit the regime of committing big mistakes, but what is happening in Syria is far from being a revolt for democracy and human rights…

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Blessings!

With best regards,

Yours truly,

Riad

and

Dear friends,

Hope you are doing well.

My mother, sister and her family live in the hot area of Homs district in a predominant Christian area called “the Christian Valley.” They are less than 2 miles from the famous Crusaders castle, Krak des Chevaliers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krak_des_Chevaliers)

I was on the phone yesterday with my mom and sister. I am sad to tell you that Jihadists armed groups have controlled the Krak des Chevaliers now. They are also issuing calls for Jihad from the mosque next to the Krak. I also just heard from the news that three police men from the town police station were slaughtered. All three police men are Muslims. I asked mom, sister and her family to come to Lebanon, but they insist of staying at home. People in the area are so worried and children are so scared. Your prayers are much appreciated. Thank you.

Today the Jihadists attacked the town church and kidnapped the priest. His destiny is still unknown.

The last days have seen unprecedented violence in Syria. Militant groups are using all means to force the UN security Council to intervene and it seems that the one way to do that is by raising up the level of bloodshed and chaos in Syria.

LORD, have mercy!

As you can see, all is not how it appears in the media. They are trying to create the same old binary conflict that they were wrong about in Egypt and Libya where the insurgents are good and the regime is evil. In reality it’s the devil you know vs. the devil you don’t. I hate to say this as an Iraq War veteran, but there is no avoiding the conclusion that our invasion into Iraq was the catalyst for a Christian holocaust there. That’s not what we intended to happen, but that is what happened. The once vibrant and always peaceful Iraqi Christian community was systematically hunted down and killed by both al Qaeda and JAM with the bulk of the survivors fleeing to…Syria.

Just like most people, my blood was up after 9/11 and I convinced myself that we had to go out and make a major impact on the dysfunctional Middle Eastern regimes that harbored and nurtured the scumbags that attacked us that day. 10+ years later, I’m not so sure that we have a whole lot to say that anybody over there cares to hear. As a born again realist, it seems to me that in the absence of a clear “freedom” movement to get behind, we really ought to be trying to avoid chaos rather than contributing to it. I would exempt the Iranian uprising of 2009 as that movement was clearly inspired by the desire for freedom and positive engagement with the west. However, engaging ANY kind of “military” option to include arming the opposition would be a grave mistake the consequences of which would redound to the extreme detriment to the Christian community in Syria and undoubtedly destabilize the entire area most notably Lebanon and Israel.

Do you know how when you read an article in the paper that you had some personal connection to or personally witnessed and you always find that the reporters got something wrong in the story or missed a key factor? That happens in all of the stories that you don’t have any personal knowledge about. I could probably speculate about the Obama administration’s generally submoronic foreign policy or its craven opportunism, but in the end it doesn’t matter which of these are at work in this situation. The first step is getting the truth out there whether it fits into the media’s narrative or not.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: christian; christianity; iran; ntsa; obama; proassadblogger; syria; wot
Froggy is a former SEAL who served in Iraq. During a Christian conference in Lebanon during September 2011, he met up with Lebanese Christians as well as Syrian Christians who were in town for the conference. Their take is that the fall of Assad will be a disaster encapsulated by the following graffiti: "Alawites to the grave, Christians to the cross" (presumably by crucifixion).
1 posted on 02/18/2012 7:56:51 AM PST by Zhang Fei
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To: Zhang Fei

The media pattern has been established. First they call it a fight for freedom just like the American revolution. When the radical islamists take control the media suddenly finds far more interesting things to report on elsewhere.


2 posted on 02/18/2012 8:08:44 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Zhang Fei
The Assad regime is of the Alawite branch of Islam, which is kind of a despised offshoot of the Shia sect and only accounts for about 10% of the population. The Christian community there is estimated to be 12-15% and so the Assads long ago forged a political alliance with them the basis of which pretty much boils down to, “If you support me, I’ll protect you from the angry Muslim hoards that surround you, and if not, well good luck with that.” This is not unlike the arrangement that Christians made in Iraq with Saddam Hussein. It’s not so much that the Christians support either Assad or Hussein as much as they don’t actively oppose them since neither dictator was particularly concerned about whether his actions were drawing much affirmative “support”.
3 posted on 02/18/2012 8:13:26 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

It is weird that Assad is pro-Syrian Christian but in Lebanon has been the enemy of the Lebanese Christians. In Lebanon, Assad is revered by hezballah.


4 posted on 02/18/2012 8:17:34 AM PST by bigdirty
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To: Zhang Fei

Replacing one pack of Butchers with another pack of Butchers is not Democracy.

Muslims hate everybody, even themselves.

Obama sure stirred a hornets nest, but it doesn’t matter to him, he would kill Christians too if given the chance, although right now he just has to settle for killing their unborn.


5 posted on 02/18/2012 8:22:50 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Zhang Fei
Both the Alawites,Christians and to some extent the Shiites in Syria will be severely targeted by the fundamental Sunnis if Assad Falls from power.

Lebanon was a Christian country 30 years ago, but is now a Muslim dominated country. The Christians survive in Lebanon because of the mistrust between the Sunnis and Shiites. If the Sunnis and Shiites get on the same page the Indidel Christions in Lebanon are doomed. - Tom

6 posted on 02/18/2012 8:23:30 AM PST by Capt. Tom
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To: Zhang Fei

The big point here is that you have radical Muslims (Hezbollah) fighting radical Muslims (Al Qaeda).


7 posted on 02/18/2012 8:38:56 AM PST by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: Thunder90
The big point here is that you have radical Muslims (Hezbollah) fighting radical Muslims (Al Qaeda).

The way I look at it, Sunnis are responsible for 10,000 dead Americans whereas Shiites are responsible for about 300. Sunnis are also 90% of the world's Muslim population.

8 posted on 02/18/2012 8:45:25 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: bigdirty
RE: Assad is pro-Syrian Christian

I think it's just that Assads long ago forged a political alliance with them the basis of which pretty much boils down to, “If you support me, I’ll protect you from the angry Muslim hoards that surround you, and if not, well good luck with that.”

I believe the author fought in Iraq and ought to know.. he suggests Saddam had the same arrangement with Christians in Iraq. Now the powers there have no need for Christians, that's what I got from the article.

9 posted on 02/18/2012 8:51:16 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Zhang Fei
The Syrians are revolting!

You can say that again.

10 posted on 02/18/2012 9:17:31 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Zhang Fei

This message must get out.

Thanks for the post.


11 posted on 02/18/2012 9:31:59 AM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: bigdirty; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Yeah, weird, eh? /s


12 posted on 02/18/2012 9:49:38 AM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: Zhang Fei
The semi-secular dictators protected Jewish communities as well as Christian communities, in Iran. Iraq, Libya, Egypt and Syria. They also fostered a degree of commerce and modernity relative to the theocratic alternative.

Only an iron fist can subdue militant Islam. They are either at your feet or at your throat. If Bush II had understood that truth, the history of the last decade would have been much different. Obama's Middle East policies are the same as Carter's: intentional support for militant Islam contrary to U.S. interests.

Most of these minority communities are being wiped out and will never return. It is a tragedy orchestrated by our own government.

13 posted on 02/18/2012 10:36:43 AM PST by Kennard
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To: Zhang Fei

Nasty conundrum. My prayers for Syrian Christians and Jews if any are left. I’ve a feeling the tragedy is only the beginning.


14 posted on 02/18/2012 12:44:00 PM PST by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28, Romans 8:38"...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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To: Zhang Fei

Thank you for posting. It just makes me sick how the killing of Christians is being covered up in the Ivory Coast, Egypt, and the rest of the so called Arab Spring movements.


15 posted on 02/18/2012 12:55:27 PM PST by FR_addict
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To: bigdirty; SunkenCiv
It is weird that Assad is pro-Syrian Christian but in Lebanon has been the enemy of the Lebanese Christians. In Lebanon, Assad is revered by hezballah.

My take on it is that Lebanese Christians wanted to be in charge of the country, the way they were when Christians were a majority in Lebanon. Hezbollah was willing to take Assad's orders. Assad has generally gone after people for power political reasons, but not religious ones. When you're a minority (Christian, Druze, Kurd, etc) being ruled by an Alawite is probably preferable to being ruled by a Sunni Arab, who comprise 90% of the Middle Eastern population. This is why the Druze and Christians in Lebanon have vacillated between supporting Assad and opposing him - on the one hand, they dislike taking orders from Assad, but on the other, they figure Assad won't bother them as long as they don't bother him*, which is more than anyone can say about Shiite or Sunni majorities.

* Given that Alawites are considered heretics or apostates by Sunni and Shiite alike - an offense that both denominations are urged to rectify by persecuting or killing any Alawite they can lay their hands on. Examples? Check out the Iranian policy with respect to Bahais and the Indonesian policy with respect to Ahmadis.

16 posted on 02/18/2012 5:38:59 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Kennard; All
I'm not disagreeing on your main point. While secular Arab rulers seem to have generally been better for Christian minorities than Islamic rulers, the same does not appear to have been true for Jewish minorities in the same countries.

The founder of the Ba’ath Party was a Christian. Secularist Arab leaders have a history of protecting Christians, who often represented politically powerless but fairly well-educated mercantile communities who were useful to the ruling regimes, and if appointed to civil service positions, could be trusted to be loyal to the government when the Islamists could not be trusted.

Someone on Free Republic can probably verify this, but I've been told by Army officers that Saddam Hussein's personal bodyguards were largely Christian because Saddam believed he could trust the Christians not to kill him. Again, I do not know if that is true or not — and I am very much aware that being a member of the Christian minority in an Arab country may say nothing about personal faith but only about one’s ancestry.

However, I believe I've read that every synagogue in Syria is now closed, the Chief Rabbi of Damascus made aliyah to Israel long ago, and the only Jews remaining in Syria are those who remain there for business reasons having generally sent their families elsewhere for their safety. I don't know how Assad treated the Jews, but Saddam Hussein viewed himself as a new Nebuchadnezzar who would be the enemy of Israel. An attempt to restore a defaced synagogue in Libya after the overthrow of Qaddafi led to a riot and near-death of the Jewish doctor who tried to do so. Egypt also has a history of being rather hostile to its domestic Jewish population despite its foreign peace treaty with Israel.

13 posted on Saturday, February 18, 2012 12:36:43 PM by Kennard: “The semi-secular dictators protected Jewish communities as well as Christian communities, in Iran. Iraq, Libya, Egypt and Syria. They also fostered a degree of commerce and modernity relative to the theocratic alternative. Only an iron fist can subdue militant Islam. They are either at your feet or at your throat. If Bush II had understood that truth, the history of the last decade would have been much different. Obama’s Middle East policies are the same as Carter's: intentional support for militant Islam contrary to U.S. interests. Most of these minority communities are being wiped out and will never return. It is a tragedy orchestrated by our own government.”

17 posted on 02/18/2012 5:40:52 PM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina
While secular Arab rulers seem to have generally been better for Christian minorities than Islamic rulers, the same does not appear to have been true for Jewish minorities in the same countries.

You are correct. I wrote in haste, based upon my understanding of the Iranian Jewish community, which is protected by the Government. Libya, Egypt, Syria and Iraq, under their respective dictators, mistreated their Jewish population, resulting in the emigration of the entire balance of their Jewish communities.

Ironically, the threatened armed conflict between Israel and Iran could destroy the thriving 25,000-member Iranian Jewish community.

18 posted on 02/18/2012 7:06:39 PM PST by Kennard
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To: Kennard

Thank you... I was actually hoping to be proved wrong.

The situation in the Middle East for Christians is greatly deteriorating, I’m afraid, and may go the way of the Jewish community.

I suppose that could be God’s plan for clearing out the “friendlies” so we (or Israel) can confidently use nuclear weapons on the Islamofascists, but I shouldn’t even be joking that way. Most of their people are sincerely misguided, too, and are suffering at the hands of radical extremists. I read a report some time back that Iran has a lower percentage of its people attending mosques than the United States has attendance at churches, which certainly indicates that a small group has taken possession of the nation which does not reflect the will of the people.

The whole mess is sad from a multitude of angles.


19 posted on 02/18/2012 7:30:39 PM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: Kennard
The semi-secular dictators protected Jewish communities as well as Christian communities, in Iran. Iraq, Libya, Egypt and Syria.

We're talking about the folks who have been trying to wipe Israel off the Map since 1948, right (at least with Syria)? I'm curious how we would react if this happened with Bush in office.

20 posted on 02/18/2012 8:38:45 PM PST by chargers fan
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To: darrellmaurina
Iran has a lower percentage of its people attending mosques than the United States has attendance at churches, which certainly indicates that a small group has taken possession of the nation which does not reflect the will of the people.

Iran has been more Persian than Islamic since the 8th century. Some have argued that low Mosque attendance results from politicization of prayers post-Revolution. The historic record, however, shows low attendance and lower levels of religiosity going back many centuries. Also Iran is uniquely tolerant of minority religions among Islamic-dominated nations, as you helped me discover. Does this mean that the Islamic hotheads in power are treading on thin ice? They are certainly capitalizing on Persian paranoia about foreign manipulation steming from the British to Kermit Roosevelt to Mossad. They are using it to further their religious ends. This appears to mean that the door is open to diplomacy to anyone but the U.S., Britain and their perceived client, Israel. This gives China and India an opportunity. The nuclear bomb is a project that appeals only to the Islamists. It does not square with Iran's rational self-interest. Nor does sending a million men to their deaths fighting Saddam Hussein. Reza Pahlavi never attacked his neighbours. So what should Israel do? Wait and hope that reason will prevail eventually, or compound Persia's paranoia exponentially by attacking it? The mullahs likely want Israel to attack in order to consolidate their power/increase mosque attendance. Russia could deter them, but won't. I don't understand Russia's support of the Mullahs. They certainly don't need Iran's petroleum. One would think that Russia would not want a irrational nuclear Muslim state next door. Obama's lack of credibility has made all of this worse. A strong Republican President could persuade Russia and the Saudis to convince the Persians to act in their self interest. China will continue to feed the problem by using Iran to spread our military thin while they enjoy the petroleum source and stuff the mullah's with petrodollars.

21 posted on 02/18/2012 9:39:30 PM PST by Kennard
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To: Zhang Fei
Somewhere I had read that the Christians in Iraq were free to worship and that all changed with the fall of Saddam Hussein. It looks like it is the same in Egypt.

Since there is nothing that we can do personally but pray, then PRAY WE MUST!

22 posted on 02/19/2012 5:18:56 PM PST by mckenzie7 (Democrats = Trough Sloppers!)
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To: Zhang Fei
Somewhere I had read that the Christians in Iraq were free to worship and that all changed with the fall of Saddam Hussein. It looks like it is the same in Egypt.

Since there is nothing that we can do personally but pray, then PRAY WE MUST!

23 posted on 02/19/2012 5:19:21 PM PST by mckenzie7 (Democrats = Trough Sloppers!)
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To: Zhang Fei

The civil war in Syria is the ultimate case of Evil Fighting Evil... Let them fight until they destroy each others...


24 posted on 02/19/2012 6:28:29 PM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops)
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To: jveritas
The civil war in Syria is the ultimate case of Evil Fighting Evil... Let them fight until they destroy each others...

One evil always wins out, and thereby becomes stronger. Our foreign policy should be to support the lesser of two evils, from the standpoint of our national interests. This is why we supported the Soviets against the Nazis during WWII, and various Third World dictators against their communist insurgencies during the Cold War. In Syria's case, the lesser of two evils happens to be Assad. The media is on the side of the Sunni Arabs, most of whom would like to see nothing more than the wholesale extermination of the non-Muslim world. As far as I'm concerned, any enemy of Sunnis in general, and of Sunni Arabs in particular, is someone we shouldn't obstruct if he is dealing with a problem from that quarter. After all, between 9/11 and the campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan, Sunnis have killed 10,000 Americans and maimed tens of thousands more.

25 posted on 02/19/2012 10:00:15 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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26 posted on 02/19/2012 10:02:43 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Zhang Fei
Assad is a terrorist regime, huge supporter of Hizballah terrorist group, Hamas terrorist group, and this terrorist regime smuggled the vast majority of Al Qaeda terrorists from Syria to Iraq during the Iraq war. Moreover Assad terrorist regime is the biggest ally of the Iranian terrorist regime and hence the fall of Assad will mean the demise of the Iranian terrorist regime as well.

To summarize the Assad regime is not the lesser to two evils, he is an equal evil to Sunni terrorism, so let them fight each other and let them destroy each others.

27 posted on 02/20/2012 10:32:34 AM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops)
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To: jveritas
Assad is a terrorist regime, huge supporter of Hizballah terrorist group, Hamas terrorist group, and this terrorist regime smuggled the vast majority of Al Qaeda terrorists from Syria to Iraq during the Iraq war. Moreover Assad terrorist regime is the biggest ally of the Iranian terrorist regime and hence the fall of Assad will mean the demise of the Iranian terrorist regime as well.

Doesn't change the fact that 100% of the terrorists that killed our people were Sunni. Assad failed to stop them from entering Iraq, but here's the thing - Assad's is a minority regime that's part of a sect viewed by Sunnis and Shiites as apostates and heretics. How's it look if he actively prevents Sunni holy warriors from heading into Iraq to fight the infidel? The Shiites running the Iraqi government understand this, which is why they're supporting Assad rather than trying to undermine him. A lot of what Assad is doing is trying to placate his Sunni base and raise funding from Iran to keep his government standing.

In Syria, the alternative to Assad is a Sunni Muslim Brotherhood government that actively seeks to kill the Alawite, Christian and Druze population to the last man, woman and child, as well as provides a base for al Qaeda to stage attacks against us, and prepares to conquer the entire Middle East along with its fraternal movements in Egypt, Libya and Tunisia. The Brotherhood's predecessor in Saudi Arabia was defeated in battle by the Saud family, despite having helped the Sauds come to power, just after the turn of the 20th century, because it set its sights on conquering the world, and brought no end of foreign trouble to the Sauds, after its raids into British-held Kuwait, Iraq and Jordan. The original Brethren were, of course, Muhammad and his Companions, who set out to conquer the world. Again, the point is not that Assad isn't evil, but that he's the lesser of two evils. Assad isn't going to try to conquer the world, whereas for the Muslim Brethren anything less would be un-Islamic.

28 posted on 02/20/2012 2:05:04 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: bigdirty

S.Lebanon=hezbollah=Iran. Iran supports Assad.
So, it’s not weird at all.
btw - I wouldn’t say Assad is pro-Syrian Christian....he’s just more anti-sunni and joining with the christians raises his numbers against the sunnis.


29 posted on 02/21/2012 7:03:00 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Zhang Fei

“Assad isn’t going to try to conquer the world...”

He supports and enables the Iranians who want to do that. IOW - he’s an accessory. What’s the difference?


30 posted on 02/21/2012 7:07:54 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: jveritas

“To summarize the Assad regime is not the lesser to two evils, he is an equal evil “

Yes, he is.


31 posted on 02/21/2012 7:11:23 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: jveritas

“The civil war in Syria is the ultimate case of Evil Fighting Evil... Let them fight until they destroy each others...”

Unfortunately, Iran & Russia are both backing Assad and both are sending in guns & equipment. (Iran also has men there). As long as outside support continues, Assad will prevail, if he isn’t killed.


32 posted on 02/21/2012 7:16:07 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: jveritas

Its Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood vs. an Iranian Proxy. We should encourage both sides to fight to the last round of ammo and the last drop of blood.
And keep supplying them ammo...


33 posted on 02/21/2012 7:23:43 AM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: nuconvert
He supports and enables the Iranians who want to do that. IOW - he’s an accessory. What’s the difference?

I think the relationship is reversed. The Iranians support him, if the word "support" is used in a practical as opposed to verbal sense. Hezbollah gets its weaponry from Lebanese ports. If we're going to talk about accessories, Sunnis are directly responsible for the deaths of 10,000 Americans whereas Shiites are responsible for 240 Marines in Beirut and perhaps 19 in Dhahran. Note also that Shiites are 10% of the world's Muslims and Sunnis are 90%. Iran can't conquer the Sunni part of the ummah, never mind the world. Do you really think Pakistan would stand aside as its neighbor, Iran, overruns the gulf states? This would be Pakistan, which has 2.5 times Iran's population, and is in the process of killing off its Shiite minority?

34 posted on 02/21/2012 7:24:28 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: nuconvert
Yes, he is.

So Assad, with the 25m Syrians he controls, is as powerful as that other evil, Sunni Islam, with its 1b population?

35 posted on 02/21/2012 7:28:36 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Sorry, but the one billion population is not all muslim brotherhood. As much as you’d like to characterize them all as terrorists and islamists, they aren’t.

Also, Assad isn’t on his own. He is backed by the Iranian regime and is an accessory to terrorism worldwide.


37 posted on 02/21/2012 8:17:53 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Zhang Fei

Are you saying Assad isn’t an accessory? If you agre he is, that makes him just as evil.

You really need to study up more on the IRI and it’s terrorist, murdering regime.
Two obvious huge omissions from your list of deaths (& I add injuries) perpetrated and/or aided by the Iranians...1) thousands of injured and dead U.S. & ally soldiers from Iranian IED’s; 2) Sept 11th.
There are more and will be more as long as the IRI is allowed to exist


38 posted on 02/21/2012 8:27:55 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert
Are you saying Assad isn’t an accessory? If you agre he is, that makes him just as evil. You really need to study up more on the IRI and it’s terrorist, murdering regime. Two obvious huge omissions from your list of deaths (& I add injuries) perpetrated and/or aided by the Iranians...1) thousands of injured and dead U.S. & ally soldiers from Iranian IED’s; 2) Sept 11th. There are more and will be more as long as the IRI is allowed to exist

We're in the realm of serious speculation here. Saddam is alleged to have more dumb munitions stockpiled than we did. And as to the Iranian link to 9/11, that's in the realm of unicorns and Nostradamus.

Let's say all the things you say are correct. Do you accept that the extermination of 6m Alawites, Druze and Christians in Syria by its majority Sunni population is an acceptable price to pay in exchange for Assad's fall? Do you believe we need another country run by Sunnis - the same ones that see the extermination of non-Muslims as the road to Islamic paradise?

39 posted on 02/21/2012 8:46:26 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

“And as to the Iranian link to 9/11, that’s in the realm of unicorns and Nostradamus.”

No, it’s a fact. As I said, you need to study more.

Aside from their own terrorist acts and proxy terrorism thru other groups, the IRI has been aiding and abetting alqaeda since the 1990’s.

Do I think having a gov’t run by the MB is a bad thing? Of course. Do I think keeping Assad in power is a bad thing? Of course. Is one worse than the other? That’s the point. I see little difference.


40 posted on 02/21/2012 9:07:30 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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Another View of the Syrian “Revolt” (200 Christians killed in Homs by Free Syrian Army)

Yawn...

CHOICE killed approximately 2800, life forms that were human and going to be CITIZENS, in America todasy.

41 posted on 02/21/2012 12:11:19 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Zhang Fei

To me the issue is not whether Shi’ites are better or more tolerant of Christians or minority religious grps than the Sunnis. They are both moslems. The situation in Syria, imo, is largely an Islamic problem, and the West should not take sides.

As for Christians & other minority religious grps in the ME, they should leave. Unfortunately, some can’t afford to or don’t want to. For the latter because they see themselves as Syrians, Egyptians or Iranians first and foremost since most have lived in those countries for centuries and have deep roots there.

However, many (if not most) moslems view *nationality* as secondary, and religion as the primary factor. And, it really doesn’t matter that some moslems might be secular or truly want Assad gone because he is *evil*.

Similar to Iran back in 1979, or even in 2009 w/ so-called the green movement, a portion of the population was sincerely looking for “democracy”, but in those parts of the world, religious zealots always end up having the upper hand and silence others, provided they are given the opportunity.


42 posted on 02/21/2012 12:19:22 PM PST by odds
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