Posted on 02/18/2012 10:05:25 AM PST by pinochet
For the first 100 years of its existence (1860 to 1960), the Republican Party was viewed as a Protestant political Party. In 1928, liberal and conservative Protestants united and campaigned against Al Smith, who was the Democratic candidate for President, because he was a Catholic. How things have changed!
The Democrats, for a long time, were the home of American Catholics. With the contraception controversy, Obama has made it clear, that practising Catholics are no longer welcome in the Democratic Party. Some Catholics were willing to vote for the pro-choice Democratic Party, in the belief that Democrats would not force the pro-choice position on the church. But they were wrong. Democrats want to shove forced contraception down the throats of American Catholics.
Ronald Reagan once said that, he did not leave the Democratic Party in 1962, but that the Democratic Party left him. Today, the Democrats have not only left American Catholics, but Obama is actually pushing the remaining Catholic Democrats out of the party.
A Gingrich-Santorum ticket would be historic, in that it would feature a cradle Catholic (Santorum) and an adult convert to Catholicism (Gingrich). I predict that this year, Republicans will receive the highest percentage of the Catholic vote, that they have ever received in their history.
I like this deal way better that the other deal that has been cooked, according to PA GOP insiders.
According to them, hints dropped by Friess, and the buzz at CPAC, Romney and Santorum will combine their delegates for a ticket. The only thing the primaries will determine is who will be on top.
The establishment is determined to cram Romney down our throats, and Rick wants this badly enough that he will go along to get along. So much for the “not Romney” vote.
Sorry I don’t buy the bullshit fantasy being promoted that Santorum and Romney are working together. Those who promote it are morons unworthy of further consideration or respect.
Don’t trust the GOP establishment. This is their Plan to get a ticket by Convention time. I wish it were a fantasy, but how many times does history have to repeat itself to prove that both party establishments are rotten to the core?
They are determined to force Romney on us, no matter what, and Santorum wants to be on the ticket badly enough to go along. This is what is being reported by GOP insiders from PA. If it plays out, it is a huge betrayal of Santorum’s supporters.
I don’t expect to change your mind, but careful with the name calling. One of the Free Republic rules is that we treat each other with respect, even when we disagree.
We also prove our case rather than run with idiotic rumors. Considering you even have names, surely there must be a credible story to back it up.
Thos promotion that Santorum and Romney made a deal was started by a FReeper who claimed a family member told her that. It has never been proven with anything to back it up.
I asked for proof and was ignored. Some people here are no better than Media Matters.
to conservativejoy: got that proof yet, ot is it still a rumor that you started like it was fact?
Just a conversation I had with a friend of 40 years whose family goes all the way back to William Penn in the state of PA. Her family knows everybody who is anybody in the GOP up there and her son has worked for several GOP campaigns in Ohio.
She was going to vote for Romney, but refuses to if he is on a ticket with Santorum. She really doesn’t like Santorum and I got an earful of all the reasons why he lost by 18 points in his last senate race.
There was also a mention of a possible combined ticket in a Greta interview with Foster Friess, one of Rick’s big money backers. He was a Romney supporter in 2008, as was Santorum. It is not like there hasn’t been a long history between Rick and Mitt. Rick came out strong for Mitt last election, but his endorsement didn’t carry much weight at that time.
I also don’t think CPAC supporters are morons for reporting the talk of a deal either. If it is being talked about on the ground, maybe we should just keep our eyes and ears open, and not automatically go into denial.
Here is what the truth really is. There is nothing to prove this ignorant clain. Nothing at all. It was made and accepted by many around here as truth because they WANT to believe it. Yeah, right. That is why Santorum made that anti Romney ad.
Newt is squealing, rightfully so, at Romney for his untruthful PAC ads, but that does not make it okay to lie about someone else.
Santorum has never been Newt’s problem, Newt and his history is Newt’s problem. He gives opposition all they need.
I am waiting for the Gloria Allred dragging out of other bimbos that Newt has played with. So are most other people.
No thanks.
By the way a few days ago it was claimed that Romney was going after Gingrich in Michigan to help Santorum. So far I haven’t seen a single ad for or against Gingrich.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2846105/posts
However the same claim has been made of the Gingrich camp but so far I’ve seen no proof of Gingrich going after Santorum either.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2846572/posts
I think the media is happily feeding rumors all around with Romney being the beneficiary.
Thad McCotter—the “no implants” Vice President?
Yep, you got it. The beneficiary of all this unfounded BS is Mitt Romney.
I was very open about what my source was and never asked any body else to trust my source. I trust them because I have known them for 40 years and consider them a close friend. Also I know they have GOP connections in PA.
I must not have seen your post before, wasn’t ignoring you.
I don’t have to prove anything, but it might be wise to pay attention and see what develops. I don’t like deception and I don’t trust the establishment of either party. I think it would be a major betrayal of Santorum’s supporters, even though I unapoligetically support Newt. I hate strong arm dirty politics that are cut out the voters voice and make it irrelevant.
If the Republican ticket turned out to be two pro-capitalist Catholics, that might cause Obama to drop Biden as his running mate and replace him with Keith Ellison of Minnesota—the Congressman who took his oath of office on Jefferson’s copy of the Koran.
I have a good friend who is a sometimes insider here in Michigan. I emailed him your post. He's not full establishment, but knows a lot of the important people. He hasn't heard anything about that and started laughing. He says the insiders there would prefer Santorum drop out because Romney can beat Newt and he's their guy. His response is as follows, and I agree with most of it.
"""Mac, Tell Conservativejoy, that this is the first I've heard of this. While there's some concern with Romney, he's still their man largely because of his money. Romney can raise money, and that's number one to them. Romney and Santorum have no alliance, and in fact their consultants have been at war for 15 years going back to the 1998 state convention. Sterling Corp v Yob. Chuck Yob's with Santorum and Sterling has been with Romney for the last two elections. Yob was a McCain guy in 08. Sterling and Yob don't team up. Period. While Mitt Romney hasn't been in Michigan, much of his campaign crew is Michigan based. I think this PA insider is saying those things so Newt and Santorum supporters beat up each other and help Romney by default. Full disclosure, I'm also supporting Santorum."
You want to talk wisdom? Wisdom means that you would have waited to know the truth before you spread a rumor with no proof.
A wise person would not want to be responsible for spreading a falsity that they cannot prove. Yet, your rumor has spread on here as fact instead of what it is, hearsay.
Don’t tell me to wait and see, The onus is on you to prove your rumor as truth instead of asking others to give your gossip, which is what it is, any credence.
Gossip is an ugly thing.
Yes, gossip is an ugly thing, and so is falsely accusing people.
Time will tell whether this devleops or not. I certainly won’t be gloating if such a thing happens. It will be a disaster that will dishearten everybody and give Obama 4 more years to finish off this country.
One thing puzzles me though, if you are so sure this is nothing but a rumor, why are you so upset? Do you think other people on FR are not as capable of weighing information as you? No one has been mislead, and I have not seen any post where this has been reported as anything other than information shared by a friend in PA.
Hopefully, if Santorum continues to rise in the polls, he won’t be in situation desperate enough to take a deal. I would rather have Newt, but as long as Romney is not on the ticket, Santorum would be better than Obama.
I just don’t know if we can weather 4 years of mediocrity, but at least he is not someone who would intentionally destroy our country. That is about as enthusiastic as I can get in support for someone who has Pornography listed as the number#1 issue on his website.
If Romney is lying about Newt, I will say Romney is lying. But you see, we can prove that lie.
What you did was spread something that even you cannot prove as a fact as though it was a fact. I have seen many posting that they absolutely believed what you said. They even pinged JR.
What you said may be proven true, or it may be false, but before we say it and spread it as fact, we need some proof.
I do appreciate the fact that you disclosed who you prefer. That was truthful.
I also added JR to this because I mentioned him. A courtesy.
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