Skip to comments.Santorum says Obama agenda not "based on Bible"
Posted on 02/18/2012 4:23:55 PM PST by Mariner
(Reuters) - Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum challenged President Barack Obama's Christian beliefs on Saturday, saying White House policies were motivated by a "different theology."
A devout Roman Catholic who has risen to the top of Republican polls in recent days, Santorum said the Obama administration had failed to prevent gas prices rising and was using "political science" in the debate about climate change.
Obama's agenda is "not about you. It's not about your quality of life. It's not about your jobs. It's about some phony ideal. Some phony theology. Oh, not a theology based on the Bible. A different theology," Santorum told supporters of the conservative Tea Party movement at a Columbus hotel.
When asked about the statement at a news conference later, Santorum said, "If the president says he's a Christian, he's a Christian."
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This is not what I want to fight about in the fall of 2012.
Is that what the majority of Republicans want to fight about?
I have decided to refer to his campaign as, “Brother Love’s Traveling Salvation Show.”. He is doing all he can to save the soul (reelect) Obama.
Why do we always fall for the media presentation of what happened?
If religion is...
...(a) off-limits or uncouth in some way;
...or (b) should be hermetically sealed from what constitutes "character"...
...then go ahead..."religion doesn't matterites" & the self-appointed "bigot patrol" are hereby invited...
...to come onboard this thread & go on the indirect defense of Obama on this thread by...
...plus lecturing posters to lay off bringing up "Christian values" and whether Obama has them or not.
Be consistent (for some of you -- for a change).
Show that you're not a hypocrite after all.
Let's see those single-minded convictions about keeping beliefs & religion out of this race come out re: your even application of them across the board.
What? Few takers? What? You're going to prove yourself to be hypocrites, after all?
He was in Ohio, he could have been talking about other things and chose this.
I think to myself, if Im willing to give something up as somebody whos been extraordinarily blessed, and give up some of the tax breaks that I enjoy, I actually think thats going to make economic sense, the president said. But for me as a Christian, it also coincides with Jesuss teaching that for unto whom much is given, much shall be required.
Obama is the first American President who was raised by atheists.
He joined Trinity UCC (the God Damn America Church) because as a community organizer he was told that you can’t organize in the black community very well if you don’t connect with black churches because the churches are the social network in the black neighborhoods. He liked Wright’s style, so he joined up.
That Santorum is unelectable in a General Election?
Santorum is unelectable in a General Election.
There were a couple of states a few years ago in which the issue of same-sex marriage was on the ballot (perhaps Louisiana and Missouri, but I may be wrong). It was on the ballot during special elections or primaries that only involved Democrats. In both cases more than 70% of the voters chose to prohibit same-sex marriage in their state—in elections in which those voting were almost entirely Democrats.
The poster finds another “gotcha” article to post, thinking that social issues will be the death knell for Rick Santorum, not realizing that, for every liberal Republican that Santorum loses, he probably gains at least one Democrat.
Some say that Santorum can’t win because of the social issues. Those who don’t like Santorum should simply say that they don’t like him or his convictions. Saying that he can’t win is merely a subterfuge for many of those who oppose him.
The whole problem with this is that... well... I... am...not... Catholic. Catholics make up 21 percent of the total population, and about half of them aren’t really even active Catholics.
I actually believe that a vast majority of Catholicism isn’t based on the Bible either, so how exactly is a religious/social campaign going to appeal to me in any kind of way? And it doesn’t even work on a political level either of making common cause with Catholics, since the Catholic has generally been in the bed with the left anyway. It’s probably the reason why Saint Rick has a pro-union/government social welfare bent to him. The Catholic church does too, and he’s a “devout Catholic.”
Newt’s also a Catholic, but he’s running on actual ideas.
He wins, therefore.
I’m not saying Santorum is inaccurate in his characterization of Obama.
Is that good enough for you?
...Driftdiver (post #33: "Plenty of reasons to not like mittens. His religion has nothing to do with any of them.")...
...NavyCanDo (Post #41: "...plenty of reasons not to choose Romney as your candidate, but making his religion one of them, is small minded at best, bigoted at worse.")
...In light of my last post, c'mon in here and start lecturing Santorum & FREEPER posters about those who would dare bring Obama's religious beliefs into this POTUS race venue.
Why, we just know you wanna apply your convictions evenly across the board here.
It’s becoming obvious that Santorum is not the right man for the job. It’s good to elect someone with a strong faith but we need someone who can lead a revolution in putting or fiscal house in order. Of the current field, Newt is the only one I can see doing that.
You are mischaracterizing the mans speech based on a single sentence. Who cares really about this. Obama is pro muslim brotherhood, and he has installed these radicals inpower in the middle east. He is a secular socialist with a pro gay pro abort agenda!
FINALLY we have a guy in Santorum who will actually call a spade a spade!
No. In my state the Democrats are interfering in our nominating process. That is why Santorum’s numbers are up in the State of Washington.
A friend who is deeply involved in Democratic Party activities here is gloating after admitting that’s what is happening here, and it makes me sick. The Democrats know Santorum is far from the mainstream, and beatable like Romney.
To add, Sarah Palin is the only one I trust to accomplish what we need done. Newt is going to be a question mark going into this thing.
Gay marriage isn’t going to be the single, biggest issue of the 2012 election.
It’s the freaking economy, the crushing debt, and the impending collapse of our system of government.
GAY MARRIAGE ISN’T THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE OF THE 2012 ELECTION.
CONTRACEPTION IS NOT IMPORTANT. SANTORUM’S FIRST ARTICLE ON HIS “ISSUES” PAGE IS ABOUT THE MENACE OF “ILLEGAL PORNOGRAPHY”. HIS PHOTOS ARE SHOVED FULL WITH AS MANY CHILDREN AS HE CAN FIT.
THIS... IS... NOT... WHAT... THIS... CAMPAIGN... SHOULD... BE... ABOUT!!!
If you think this vapid stuff is going anywhere, you’re out of your mind. People aren’t going to get up and go vote in mass to support a Catholic, who represents a minority religion of mostly left leaning people in the United States of America.
I agree completely.
If the fiscal side is most important then people will vote for the business guy, not the history professor.
“This is not what I want to fight about in the fall of 2012.”
You got that right. Santorum has “landslide defeat”’written all over his face.
They're using the Rush playbook: Op Chaos
I voted for Hillary in the 2008 Indiana Dem Primary
Open Caucus. Worthless as a nominating tool.
Santorum and Paul will do well in Washington.
It will be raucous, at least.
Whence cometh this notion that economic has nothing to do with religion? Max Weber famously asserted that capitalism is based on the Protestant ethic, of work as an obligation on all.
It is fundamentally THE most important issue we face.
We are either a Nation under God-—(which means Just Laws (based on Judeo/Christian Ethics—the BIBLE) which is the Founding principles of Natural Rights from God and “We Hold these Truths to be self-evident .....all from Christian ideology and each person has dignity and worth—our basis of Common Law which is the foundation of our jurisprudence (Christian).
we are godless-—form arbitrary laws not based on Objective Truths(Bible)—but on whoever is the most powerful and in control of forming what is Right and Wrong-—like Hitler, zero, Stalin or barney frank—who ever holds the microphone and can create a “NEW” standard of Right and Wrong-—not from the Bible.
Like: Sodomy is a “right” and “good”.
Homosexual marriage is a “right” even though it denies children their birth right.
Abortion is “good”...killing for the betterment of the Collective is ALWAY a right. Individual rights don’t exist without God.
Only the USA founded the most Just country with individual rights-—and it comes from God—only his standards of Right and Wrong. The Judeo-Christian Theology created Western Civilization and Rational Thought—the ideas of Right and Wrong that led to the end of pederasty as normal, slavery as normal and homosexuality as normal and human sacrifice as normal.
As we remove God—we are returning to paganism—occultism-—other belief systems which always has records of extreme abuse to the individual-—but GOOD for the Collective-—at least, whoever has totalitarian control over the collective, at the time—like Hitler, zero, Stalin or barney frank—whoever controls the useful idiots and the armies—they need immoral armies—the sodomite kind like the SA Brownshirts.
I want GOD’s standard of Right and Wrong-—NOT a zeros or barney franks sick perverted ideas being forced on my children’s minds to corrupt their logic and reason with denial of Natural Rights and the corrupt convoluted thinking of sodomy is good.
Removing God from the public square has always been illegal (until the 50s). Faith exists in everyone’s belief system-—I want the system which values human dignity and worth in every single human being.....Christianity and Judaism—not some wicca junk or mormonism that is irrational to the point of denial of science and reason and history.
Christianity perfected much of Western Civilization-—the removal of Christianity has led to massive deaths in the 20th century-—MASSIVE ugliness. No thanks-—we went the no God/Darwinism route and it is ugly.
Well you certainly want to talk about right now. What’s the difference? If it is a worthless issue in November why is it such an important issue now?
Sometimes I wonder about folks like yourself. I don’t care if you support Santorum. No problem, but if you are complaining because he wants to bring back Religion in the good ole USA than you should be thrilled as other conservatives are. Everyone on this site complains and complains that they take prayer out of schools, that you can’t even say God in graduation speeches, can’t have a prayer circle in school. taking down cross’ all over the place, taking Christmas out of Christmas and so much more. We have a future President who will put a stop to it and you are STILL complaining. What is your deal seriously???
Do you want to build a winning coalition? Have to have the social conservatives aboard. Unless the economy completely craters, Obama has a great advantage. Remember that until Reagan showed up, the Republican Party was the pro-choice party.
(And how long have you had this basic issue with multi-tasking? And some FREEPERS call pro-lifers "single-issue?")
Why is everyone here against Romney? Because he’s for the gays. Because he’s promoted abortionists. Because he’s a gun grabber. Because nobody can trust his religion.
Ignore those ‘vapid’ issues and he’d be #1
It’s our fault. We had a good time screwing around with the 2008 campaign voting for Hillary in the Primary and they are just doing the same thing. I didn’t bother with it but a lot of people did. Although it didn’t work, Rush wanted it to work badly.
I will argue that putting those issues at the forefront, every day, in an election will garner a majority vote.
Rick has talked at length about the economy, as well as national defense, etc., etc. He typically speaks about social issues only when asked. When asked he gives an honest answer.
Polls show that more than 50% of all Americans are pro-life. In my previous post I gave the example of the predominantly Democrat voters opposing same-sex marriage. Social issues aren’t Rick’s primary focus, but they can be a winning, not a losing, issue when mentioned.
One wonders about those who go into tantrums and post in all caps when social issues are mentioned. Perhaps it isn’t because they don’t think that the nation agrees with Rick, but because they themselves don’t agree with Rick.
It's not a worthless issue in November and I didn't contend it was. I believe it would be the defining issue of the 2012 campaign if Santorum is nominated.
Some think that's a good thing, others think it's a bad thing.
Well you certainly want to talk about right now. Whats the difference? If it is a worthless issue in November why is it such an important issue now? (GulfBreeze)
GulfBreeze wins the prize of the month for basic discernment!
Mariner doesn't want religion to be a point of conflict in November; apparently he doesn't mind if he joins in re: making it a point of conflict in February!
Ya gotta be careful about the "let's not attack the religious convictions of others" crowd? Why? Because in the name of "let's not attack the religious convictions of others," they go on the offensive and wind up attacking the religious convictions of others!
Can you say "Hyprocrite?"
Can you say "two-faced?"
Can you say "double-standard?"
“Some think that’s a good thing, others think it’s a bad thing.”
When in doubt, go with what you think G-d wants.
Romneycare and Abortion.
However, we have a candidate talking about whether the current POS...er POTUS...is a real Christian.
How long have you been here? Since November of last year. Morals aren’t important to you and you say Catholics won’t get elected? Wrong on both counts. Seems like JFK was a Catholic and he got a lot of Dem votes.
Morals show what a person is made of. Without them, they don’t have much ground to stand on.
Well, this proves an interesting stretch for Mariner.
I mean, based upon what he just told you Savagesusie...all he has to now prove is that Santorum is putting theology as a "forefront...issue" on a daily basis.
Yeah, that's right, Mariner...you're guilty as charged of creating a straw man, here.
(Maybe you should just go feed your horse some of that straw...if you don't have a horse, find a gopher...maybe they can use it for their nesting hole)
Rick Santorum is a conservative Christian with the courage to speak openly about his faith.
Those who think he should keep quiet about it have already lost and are playing a leftist game of attempting to shove Christianity behind closed doors.
In Michigan (where Mitt was raised) we have a closed primary and Santorum is ahead. He is building a head of steam and Romney and Gingrich are faltering. That makes him unelectable?
(Good thing the likes of Mariner was part of the Baby Boomer generation vs. the Silent generation...too many Baby Boomers on younger would take one look at the multi-tasking involved in fighting a war vs. both Germany & Japan...as well as on so many geographical fronts...as simply too intimidating...cultural ADHD or something...can't concentrate on more than one foe and one issue at a time...With Baby boomers like Mariner, we'd lost WWII!)
However, we have a candidate talking about whether the current POS...er POTUS...is a real Christian.
I would agree—that is probably best left to Hannity, Beck and the like.
Can you say "Hyprocrite?"
Can you say "two-faced?"
Can you say "double-standard?"
Can you cite an example of me attacking the religious convictions of others?
And, have you resorted to name calling? How many arguments are you going to win with that?
That's been the absolute hallmark of Santorum supporters on this site for a few weeks now. Anyone that sheds a negative light on Santorum gets called a hypocrite, Godless Commie, Romneybot etc.
It's beneath this site and I'm surprised Jim has been putting up with it for this long.
I suspect he won't tolerate it much longer.
“It’s about some phony ideal. Some phony theology. Oh, not a theology based on the Bible.”
That statement about President Obama is spot on. Whether one is interested in that line of discussion or not.
Whether Newt or Rick is the GOP pick is OK by me. I will show up on election day to vote for either. However, I will not ever vote for Romney anymore than I would Obama.
Both Newt and Rick have their particular areas where they will be targeted....Rick’s is his true moral conservatism (which unfortunately is not shared by most). Newt’s is his past mistakes (ex-wives, enemies in congress). However, in my opinion, either will generate more voters FOR the GOP pick for POTUS in a general election than Romney. I believe that a Romney pick will mean many, like myself, will stay home or leave the ballot blank on that issue.
I will not engage in bashing of either Newt or Rick. It is time to back one of the two and let the best man go forward. The only “Republican” for POTUS to bash is Romney and Paul (except Paul isn’t a Republican he is a libertarian).
I too have voted in every election since 1976 (I could have voted in 1972 but was in Basic Training for the Navy)...and always for the GOP nominee. I will do so again if Newt or Rick...but not Romney. THAT IS WHAT SHOULD WORRY FOLKS! Newt or Rick bashing is just idiotic in my thinking.....it is counter productive. Trash Romney and leave the other two alone.
I was not clear in my statement.
I would not argue in the AFFIRMATIVE that putting those issues at the forefront every day will win an election.
I don't believe they will.
No one and I mean no one, likes to be preached to by a pious politician about ones morality, religion, sexual activities, or anything else personal. If Brother Love continues down his righteous path, he will destroy any chance we have in november. He is exactly and precisely the image of what the public has been told regarding “right wing zealots” tea partiers, and evangelicals. Let’s get down to illegal immigration, oil production, job creation, obamacare, cost of living, war on terror and removing an enemy of the USA from the oval office.
You make the same assumptive/straw man error Mariner made in post #33...
Mariner came up with the out-of-thin air comment that theological issues with Obama would be "forefront, every day" matters...never mind that he has no track-record proof or evidence that Santorum runs a campaign that way.
And you, Appollo, have already made one Santorum theological comment into an entire "campaign" -- and made it a bogie man "campaign" at that.
Prove it that this a full-blown "campaign"...and if you can't, then you & Mariner need to reconsider the gossip straw men you so easily toss around.
You completely ignored the entire meaning of my message just so you can call me immoral.
I said that a campaign entirely run on Catholicism, contraception, gay marriage, family photos, is missing the entire point of what this campaign to unseat Obama is about.
A Catholic can get elected. A guy who is running on a religious/social platform to the detriment of economic issues is basically offering NOTHING. Gay marriage isn’t going to get people to come out to vote when THE ECONOMY IS CRASHING AND UNEMPLOYMENT IS SKYROCKETING.