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Santorum Bashes Public Schools, Says They're Stuck In Factory Era
LATimes ^ | February 18, 2012 | Mitchell Landsberg

Posted on 02/18/2012 6:56:03 PM PST by Steelfish

Santorum Bashes Public Schools, Says They're Stuck In Factory Era

By Mitchell Landsberg February 18, 2012

Reporting from Columbus, Ohio— Republican GOP hopeful Rick Santorum may be the most prominent homeschooler in America. So it might not have been surprising that, on Saturday, he told a conservative Christian audience that he intended to homeschool his children in the White House.

In his remarks to the Ohio Christian Alliance, however, Santorum went further, seeming to attack the very idea of public education.

In the nation’s past, he said, “Most presidents homeschooled their children in the White House.… Parents educated their children because it was their responsibility.”

“Yes, the government can help,” he continued, “but the idea that the federal government should be running schools, frankly much less that the state government should be running schools, is anachronistic.”

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KEYWORDS: charter; federalgovernment; public; santorum; schools; solution; vouchers
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1 posted on 02/18/2012 6:56:05 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Its even worse than that.

They’re union factories pumping out defective marxist parts.


2 posted on 02/18/2012 6:59:52 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Steelfish

The man is correct, however, and it is a big however, some parents are uneducated as well. So who educates their kids???? Oh, I remember someone said we train them to be janitors???


3 posted on 02/18/2012 6:59:52 PM PST by org.whodat (Sorry bill, I should never have made all those jokes about you and Lewinsky, have fun.)
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To: org.whodat

I don’t think anyone has suggested anyone be trained as a janitor.


4 posted on 02/18/2012 7:03:03 PM PST by berdie
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To: Steelfish

republican says give obama more time...25 to life!!..
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/ohio-state-house-speaker-jokes-that-obama-should-be-sent-to-jail/2012/02/18/gIQAdAbXMR_blog.html


5 posted on 02/18/2012 7:05:55 PM PST by biggredd1
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To: berdie

Public Education is the enemy that American women support overwhelmingly.


6 posted on 02/18/2012 7:05:55 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: berdie

The public education system in the US is a full-employment jobs programs for Democratic Party Officials, Illegals, SEIU, NEA, DoEd, and they indoctrinate and train kids for socialism. Alinsky and his followers are jubilant. We need to dismantle the public educational system brick by brick. It is the very cornerstone of the Democratic Party. It keeps the masses in their place whereas the Clintons, Obamas, Jesse Jacksons make sure they send their kids to elite private schools.


7 posted on 02/18/2012 7:08:42 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish
In the nation’s past, he said, “Most presidents homeschooled their children in the White House.… Parents educated their children because it was their responsibility.”

Idk about "Most presidents" but I do know the history of education in the US reflects a focus on its importance from the founding. The commitment to local public schools, not "homeschooling," marked the American landscape from pioneer days on. Check out the Ordinance of 1787 and its commitment to supporting public education. I worry that Santorum gets carried away with his own wonderfulness because he thinks it's still Iowa and nobody is watching.

8 posted on 02/18/2012 7:08:50 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Mariner
I'm not sure where you get the basis for such a statement.

It seems pretty generalized and unsubstantiated.

9 posted on 02/18/2012 7:09:25 PM PST by berdie
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To: berdie
Better a janitor than a gang banger.

Apparently there are some hotshots around who think they are too good to do honest humble work for a living, but I ain't yet met the sumbitch who is.

10 posted on 02/18/2012 7:13:36 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

“Parents educated their children because it was their responsibility.”

That might be true, but not many parents cheated of money a school in Pennsylvania - $100,000 - between 2001 and 2004 for your childen’s homeschool programs, while living with the family in Virginia, Senator Santorum.

You NEVER reimbursed that money to the school, Senator. Time to notice the beam in your eye first.


11 posted on 02/18/2012 7:15:34 PM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: cripplecreek
They’re union factories pumping out defective marxist parts.

gawd that's well said.

12 posted on 02/18/2012 7:16:17 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (religion + guns = liberty)
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To: Steelfish

I have no love for the public school system as it exists today.

It has become, as you said, a bastion for liberal educators that are polluting the minds of our youth. The curriculum is deplorable.

But by dismantling, do you mean doing away with public schools altogether? How would that work? Or dismantling the DOE and unions...a very good start. Thereby allowing schools to return to their original purpose..to give an actual non-politcal education.


13 posted on 02/18/2012 7:20:14 PM PST by berdie
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To: Steelfish

The Federal Government has ruined our Education system with the aid of money.
Kids graduate without basic reading and math skills but know that abortion is a right, homosexual perversions are okay and if you can not make it on your own the Government is there to take care of you.
No wonder our nation is going to hell on the fast track..........


14 posted on 02/18/2012 7:21:47 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: All

Santorum didn’t seem to be against government waste when it came to his family.

During his years in the Senate (2001-2004), Santorum raised his family in northern Virginia and rarely if ever seemed to use the small house that he claimed as his legal residence, in a blue-collar Pittsburgh suburb called Penn Hills.

So Pennsylvania voters were shocked when they found out the Penn Hills School District had paid out $38,000 a year for the home cyber-schooling of five of Santorum’s kids, hundreds of miles away in a different state.

The cash-strapped district was unsuccessful in its efforts to get any of its money back from Santorum.

That was one of the reasons the Pennsylvania voters turned against him. He lost his reelection 41% to 59%, the most severe beating taken by an incumbent Senator in 2006.


15 posted on 02/18/2012 7:22:47 PM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Steelfish

Most government schools are little more than warehouses for children, complete with the Ridilin and other drugs needed to keep them in a maleable stupor.


16 posted on 02/18/2012 7:23:34 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: berdie

Private schools with state funding where parents are provided money to choose a school of their choice.


17 posted on 02/18/2012 7:25:16 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I agree with you 110 per cent.

There is nothing wrong with any respectable job.

I mowed lawns, babysat AND did light janitorial work in my school when I was a kid to earn money.


18 posted on 02/18/2012 7:25:40 PM PST by berdie
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To: berdie

Please note that poster and be Anti Rick
Poster hit every single pro Rick
Post with attacks .
I suspect they are working for someone .
It’s a redo of the coordinated Rick
Perry attacks all over again .


19 posted on 02/18/2012 7:27:36 PM PST by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: Steelfish

As much as I agree with Santorum about public schools they’ve progressed far beyond the industrial revolution.

They’ve been innovating of late. Now they’ve caught up all way with the level of educational excellence evident during the dogmatic central government training, of Hitler Youth.


20 posted on 02/18/2012 7:32:17 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("The door is open" PALIN 2012)
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To: Steelfish

Well, wouldn’t private schools with state funding then become public schools? The state could stick their noses into the standards currently in effect for private schools and screw them up as well.


22 posted on 02/18/2012 7:34:15 PM PST by berdie
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To: ncalburt

Thanks for the heads up:)


23 posted on 02/18/2012 7:38:02 PM PST by berdie
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To: Mariner

http://dpi.wi.gov/sspw/yrbsindx.html

PDF file below for what high school students are asked to answer. Sorry Rick this is not ‘factory era’ stuff this is just plain sick.

http://dpi.wi.gov/sspw/pdf/yrbs11hsques.pdf


24 posted on 02/18/2012 7:40:24 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: berdie

Watch for those two posters .
I just asked the one a direct question .
They litetally hit every Rick S post with an attack that appear to from
Talking points .
They are stealth posters that work this site for someone that needs to
Destroy Rick S.


26 posted on 02/18/2012 7:45:31 PM PST by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: berdie

Not really. The money goes to the parents.


27 posted on 02/18/2012 7:46:39 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Lancey Howard

She is a professional anti Rick S smearer .
She spreads anti Rick AstroTurf with a few other comrades .
I wonder who they work for ?


28 posted on 02/18/2012 7:49:00 PM PST by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !H)
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To: ncalburt

The truth hurts, eh?

Why don’t you ask your champion to reimburse the money to the district , now that he makes $1 million a year?

I don’t accept sermons from the swindler Pope of Elections.


29 posted on 02/18/2012 7:51:53 PM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Steelfish

I read the article in its entirety, but I didn’t find any information in there that tells me what Rick would do to reform our educational system. Is there another link where he lists a specific Plan he thinks will improve the system or replace it?


30 posted on 02/18/2012 7:52:53 PM PST by conservativejoy
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To: ncalburt

According to his/her/its freeper homepage, that scumbag Marguerite is from (or in) France.
Personally, I am supporting both Newt and Rick. Either one is fine and dandy with me. And so I get a bit irritated by scumbags like “Marguerite” (from France!) coming along and trashing one of them.


31 posted on 02/18/2012 7:55:40 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

This Santorum bashing thread sounds a little like the Anchorage liberal smear against Sarah Palin.

Was that a Romney operation also?

Mitt Romney hates puppy dogs.


32 posted on 02/18/2012 7:55:47 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("The door is open" PALIN 2012)
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To: Marguerite

You are from France?

Why do you care.

And you should surrender.


33 posted on 02/18/2012 7:57:23 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("The door is open" PALIN 2012)
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To: conservativejoy

You raise a good point. He better be prepared for the debates with Obama.


34 posted on 02/18/2012 7:57:38 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

I hope that would be what happened. And the money probably would go to the parents.

But it has been my experience that any federal or state funding to the individual or organization opens the door for control.

Sort of like my Great Aunt Gizmo would offer to loan you money...but then tell you how to run your life.


35 posted on 02/18/2012 7:58:33 PM PST by berdie
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To: All

http://www.issues2000.org/Archive/PA_Senate_2006_Principles_+_Values.htm

Rick Santorum: Accused of taking home-school money while residing out of PA

Question: The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette had this editorial: “Five Santorum children have been home-schooled, paid for by the Penn Hills district to the tune of $38,000 a year, until it became apparent that they don’t live in Penn Hills. The newspaper sent a letter to Santorum at his home address, at least the one that he claims. Back came the letter with a sticker from the US Postal Service as undeliverable.”

In 1990 you ran this commercial repeatedly:

“There’s something strange about this house It belongs to our congressman, Doug Walgren. What’s so strange? Instead of living in his own congressional district, Congressman Walgren lives in this house, located in the wealthiest area of Virginia.”

Isn’t that rather hypocritical of you?

SANTORUM: No, not at all. My opponent never owned a home in the district, ever, in 14 years. I own a home and always owned a home.

Q: How many nights have you personally spent there?

SANTORUM: I probably spend maybe a month a year.

Source: PA 2006 Senate Debate, Tim Russert moderator Sep 3, 2006


36 posted on 02/18/2012 7:59:02 PM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: Steelfish

All any Republican need do to prepare for a debate against Obama, is challenge him to reject teleprompters.

Simple as that.

They guy is a programmed dope.


37 posted on 02/18/2012 7:59:39 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("The door is open" PALIN 2012)
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To: Marguerite

Are you really Alec Baldwin?


38 posted on 02/18/2012 8:00:36 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("The door is open" PALIN 2012)
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To: hinckley buzzard

You have bought the myth. The “public schools,” as now understand the term really dates from the 1870s, when Boston established the first district. Besides, public education doesn’t necessarily mean government run schooling. Virtually all the colleges and universities before the land-grant colleges were private and founded by religious bodies. Ditto the academies. Community schools were almost entirely elementary schools running through the eight grade. In 1900, only ten percent of the 17th year olds were in secondary level education. The majority were in academies that schooled their students through the first two years of college. St. Edward’s Academic in Austin turned out engineers as good as A&M’s. After 1910, the progressives began to push secondary education for all. Schools got very large and were operated pretty much like factories, using Taylor’s methods for efficiency. There was a push for vocation education, and until after the 2nd world war, the high schools did train students in usable skills. But after the GI Bill made a college education readily available, college prep gradually became the only real goal. Had to provide customer for the rapidly expanding colleges.


39 posted on 02/18/2012 8:01:56 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: ncalburt
I wonder who they work for ?

This is an old cartoon, so don't forget the "Pro-Communist Health Care" and "Anti-Communist Health Care" podiums. Oh! And the "Pro-Government Union" and "Anti-Government Union", and the "Pro-Global Warming" and "Anti-Global Warming" podiums, too:


40 posted on 02/18/2012 8:05:10 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: conservativejoy

You raise a good point. He better be prepared for the debates with Obama.


41 posted on 02/18/2012 8:05:10 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Lancey Howard; Marguerite

LOL, thanks for noticing, Lancey.

Marguerite, why are you pushing this anti-Santorum stuff so hard if you’re from France?


42 posted on 02/18/2012 8:08:24 PM PST by Girlene
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To: Steelfish

THe headlines on these articles are getting ridiculous. Those comments didn’t sound like “bashing”. The print media is in full attack mode.


43 posted on 02/18/2012 8:13:08 PM PST by Girlene
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To: berdie
Exactly. There never has been government money without strings attached, and never will be. You know, I was on my highschool debate team in the early 60's and one year the topic was "federal aid to education." I actually recall the days when there was no federal gubmint involvement in education at all. One of the most effective arguments for the con side was that with government money came government control, and with government control came loss of liberty and local self-determination. Well, we now know how true that was.
44 posted on 02/18/2012 8:25:32 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: RobbyS
The Ordinance of 1787 is not a "myth." It is organic law of the United States and it provides for the support of free public education. It reflects the importance the Founders placed on having an educated populace. Nobody said "government-run education" except you. Read your history.
45 posted on 02/18/2012 8:31:14 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Girlene

You got that absolutely right. They “editorialize” the headlines so blatantly that it appears that aren’t even worried about the evident bias.


46 posted on 02/18/2012 8:35:25 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Marguerite

Public schools in PA pay/reimburse parents to home school? They sure don’t in VA.

I never got a dime, nor were my home-schooled children allowed to participate in ANY extracurricular activities at the public schools that I had to pay for through my property taxes. They had to be tested by the county (or was it state?) every year to assure they were on par (ha!) with students in the public schools.

However, that said, if kids are being home schooled and learning online, why does it matter where they are physically? They could be in PA/VA or Timbuktu for all it matters. It’s a cyber-world out there. Many companies have employees working ‘remote’ from all around the globe; they don’t have to be in the office. Why should schooling be any different?

The current social compact is that the legal residence of the parents is that of the kids, and the local school district has taken on responsibility for their education, unless parents opt out, either for private or parochial schools, or for home schooling.

If the PA law allows payment or reimbursement for home-schooling, I don’t see what’s wrong with what Santorum did. Did the Santorums not pay taxes at their PA home? Or would the PA district have given them a cut in his home’s taxes because he wasn’t there with his family? Or because his kids weren’t in the public school? Do PA parents who elect to send their kids to private or parochial school get a break in taxes since they aren’t using that costly public service?


47 posted on 02/18/2012 8:46:17 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: hinckley buzzard

Don’t suggest that public education is identical with, or even continuous with the bureaucratized systems we have today. By the end of the 19th century, the systems of locally supported and private schools was rapidly being replaced by system modeled after the Prussian state schools. Likewise, the German model was working its way into the colleges and universities, and the German idealism that had such an effect on Emerson and others, had become dominant. Dewey began as a Hegelian but gave up that form of idealism for something like the materialism of Marx . Dewey lead the way toward socializing the schools, driving private schools out of business as they gained an ever large share of tax revenue. The so-called Military-industrial complex has nothing on the public school monopoly that takes an ever greater share of the national wealth for ever diminishing results.


48 posted on 02/18/2012 8:55:42 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: EDINVA; Marguerite

First let me say that I have no complaint with the OP and what Santorum said about schools (other than the lack of a solutions.) Santorum is not my guy, but I will vote for him if he is the nominee.

I ask these questions because I truly don’t know the answers.

Is cyber-schooling different from home schooling? Are you able to access regular school curriculum via the internet for a charge?

Although the Santorums owned a home in PA, their primary residence appears to be VA for several years (job convenience). So why not use the VA school system?

I can understand being overseas and cyber-schooling your child in America.


49 posted on 02/18/2012 9:10:48 PM PST by berdie
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To: berdie

Berdie, I’m not familiar with ‘cyber-schooling.’ I am familiar with traditional home schooling, and with taking classes online. I don’t know if the Santorum children were plugged into live classes in PA from their house in VA. If that is the case, it’s not an option available in VA. Technology has changed somewhat dramatically since my kids were home-schooled 10+ years ago.

The Santorums could have sent their kids to VA schools had they chosen. Lots of Congressmen and Senators do. But if home-schooling is what the Santorums wanted, and if they consider PA their home, and if this cyber-homeschooling is available through their PA district, why wouldn’t they do that?

Some families, especially very traditional religious families, prefer home-schooling. They don’t want their kids exposed to the ‘culture’ of the public schools. Often the choice has to do with health issues, and certainly the Santorums have had enough of those to deal with. Seems to me parents should be able to decide what’s best for their family and their kids. Even within a family, they might choose to educate one or two at home and send others to the public school, depending on the individual child(ren)’s needs. But it should be the parents’ decision, unless they are unfit parents.

Santorum isn’t my guy, either, but this endless nit-picking on each and every Republican who enters the public arena, especially by other Republicans or conservatives, is getting disgusting.


50 posted on 02/18/2012 9:40:30 PM PST by EDINVA
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