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National Instruments Denies Relationship with Rossi
New Energy Times ^ | 2/18/2012 | Steven B. Krivit

Posted on 02/19/2012 2:46:34 AM PST by Johnny B.

Today, an author who is working on a book about Rossi contacted Julia Betts, the corporate communications and investor relations manager for National Instruments, to inquire about its relationship with Rossi.

According to e-mails the author received from Betts, National Instruments is not working with Rossi.

“Leonardo Corporation/Andrea Rossi is currently not a customer, partner or distributor of National Instruments,” Betts wrote.

The author sent Betts another e-mail asking about a variety of possible relationships her company might have with Rossi or his company.

“Per our previous [news release] from November,” Betts wrote, “we were only in discussions with the Leonardo Corporation regarding the use of National Instruments’ engineering tools. Currently, Leonardo Corporation/Andrea Rossi is not a customer of National Instruments.”

(Excerpt) Read more at blog.newenergytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: coldfusion; ecat; lenr; rossi; seagullthread
Yet another Rossi lie exposed. Ever since the University of Bologna exposed Rossi's lie about them doing independent testing of his E-Cat, this was the only thing that appeared to give Rossi any credibility at all.
1 posted on 02/19/2012 2:46:44 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: dangerdoc; citizen; Liberty1970; Red Badger; Wonder Warthog; PA Engineer; glock rocks; free_life; ..
Courtesy ping for the LENR/Cold Fusion ping list, and some people who posted in other recent Rossi articles.
2 posted on 02/19/2012 2:52:45 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Kevmo

And a very special curtesy ping for Kevmo, because I’m sure he wouldn’t want to miss out on this exciting development.


3 posted on 02/19/2012 3:16:24 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.

This guy will be facing charges again soon.


4 posted on 02/19/2012 4:41:55 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Johnny B.
I believe it was clear some time ago that the only relationship Rossi had with NI was that they would provide advice on the use of their products, basically the kind of thing any company might do for a customer should Rossi ever be a customer.

The kind of instruments Rossi needs are not uncommon and besides he needs to have something to test. So far Big Blue is the only thing that has been offered as a finished product and it sets awaiting a quiet disposal.

5 posted on 02/19/2012 4:46:25 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change
I believe it was clear some time ago that the only relationship Rossi had with NI was that they would provide advice on the use of their products, basically the kind of thing any company might do for a customer should Rossi ever be a customer.
That's a reasonable interpretation of NI's press release, but that's not what Rossi has been claiming.

Rossi has stated repeatedly in in depth that he was "working closely" with NI to design the controller for his E-Cat. He boasted about how much their engineering resources have helped in making the E-Cat production-ready.

In other words, Rossi was lying.

6 posted on 02/19/2012 4:56:44 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.

How utterly shocking. </s>


7 posted on 02/19/2012 5:06:20 AM PST by dinodino
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To: Johnny B.
Rossi’s statement about “working closely” is typical of someone blowing hot air, lying, in order to puff up their importance. By now the pattern should be obvious, having “discussions with” means “I sent an e-mail”, “close working relationship” means they answered it. “Partnership” means the item will be sent as soon as the check clears.

“He boasted about how much their engineering resources have helped in making the E-Cat production-ready”.

Yes...The engineering staff at Black and Decker have thrown their resources into building a device for me. Thanks guys! The coffee maker works fine, Wal-Mart and I have formed a business relationship as a result.

8 posted on 02/19/2012 5:22:07 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change
Rossi’s statement about “working closely” is typical of someone blowing hot air, lying, in order to puff up their importance.
He has far more important goals than puffing up his importance.

He has claimed that he has sold "franchises" to all the countries of the world other than Japan and Russia. I'm not sure if he had a backup sucker when the $200,000 franchise for Australia fell through.

I strongly suspect that Rossi's lies about his "close working relationship" with NI, in light of his selling of franchisees, is enough to land him in court.

9 posted on 02/19/2012 5:28:58 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.

Well, thanks for posting this. Beat me to it.

• Here’s my standard ‘ignore’ post to Johnny B.
This will be my standard post to you that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. You’ve proven you’re just here to harass; you have demonstrated that you are not here to discuss things on a level that Free Republic intended.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2832338/posts?page=51#51


10 posted on 02/19/2012 5:29:07 AM PST by Kevmo (If you can define a man by the depravity of his enemies, Rick Santorum must be a noble soul indeed.)
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To: Kevmo
Here’s my standard ‘ignore’ post to Johnny B. ... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2832338/posts?page=51#51
Let's take a look at what Kevmo thinks is a "harassing" posting:
If Rossi had not sold his 1MW unit, for ~$2M and the whole thing was a facade, he would need cash and would jump at the chance for some cash.
And don't forget about all that money he saved by going back on his promise to have the University of Bologna test his gadget. That saved him a half-million right there.
***All of us know that Rossi claims the customer is choosing to remain anonymous.
I'm not talking about the "secret" customer from the October 28th demo, I'm talking about the customer Rossi said would come forward. LINK

Failing that, the name of any customer would be fine. Or anything at all that provided any independent confirmation that Rossi is not a complete fraud.

I think I’m about done with you on this thread, and if you continue to harrass I’ll be putting you on my permanent ‘ignore’ list.
Oh, goodie! Will I get a customized "I'm ignoring you" canned reply? Nothing makes you look more childish than your long list of "I'm ignoring you" replies.
So, my apparent crime was pointing out that Rossi reneged on his promise to allow the University of Bologna to do independent testing of his gadget, and pointing out that Rossi reneged on releasing the name of his 2nd customer and that Rossi had not named any customer (he still hasn't).

I guess Kevmo just can't handle the truth.

11 posted on 02/19/2012 5:37:55 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.

Act Three of this farce will begin soon.


12 posted on 02/19/2012 5:46:24 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Johnny B.

• Here’s my standard ‘ignore’ post to Johnny B.
This will be my standard post to you that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. You’ve proven you’re just here to harass; you have demonstrated that you are not here to discuss things on a level that Free Republic intended.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2832338/posts?page=51#51


13 posted on 02/19/2012 5:48:36 AM PST by Kevmo (If you can define a man by the depravity of his enemies, Rick Santorum must be a noble soul indeed.)
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To: Kevmo
This will be my standard post to you that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion
Your problem is that you define "reasonable discussion" as gushing uncontrollably about Rossi must be legitimate, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.
14 posted on 02/19/2012 5:53:39 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.
Here's a humorous aside from the end of the article:
A week ago, Rob Duncan, vice chancellor for research and a professor of physics at the University of Missouri, announced to a general audience at the university’s Saturday Science series that he intended to purchase two of Rossi E-Cats, according to the Columbia Tribune.

Today, the author contacted Duncan by e-mail and asked him about his purchase plans.

“I took a closer look at this,” Duncan wrote, “and we have decided not to pursue an E-Cat purchase at this time, but we will be very interested to track how this progresses.”


15 posted on 02/19/2012 6:01:41 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.; Kevmo
Rossi will continue to be controversial here until either:

A) some widely-known and respected company comes out and says "We've been using Rossi's E-cat for weeks now at our independent facility and have confirmed that it generates large amounts of net output energy", or

B) Rossi folds.

We are now in the fourth month since Rossi's secretive customer allegedly accepted delivery of the 1 MW unit, with no real independent news.

16 posted on 02/19/2012 6:06:02 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: Johnny B.

Gee, why am I not at all surprised?

I have a close business relationship with Olympus corporation. We entered into intense negotiations, and they came and demonstrated a microscrope, which illustrates just how close that partnership is.

Nevermind that I didn’t buy the microscope...


17 posted on 02/19/2012 6:07:05 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: PapaBear3625
Yup. In the meantime I'll repeat that I'm not necessarily a Rossi fan, I'm a LENR fan. And also as usual, I like what Jed Rothwell has to say about Krivit. http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg63446.html Re: [Vo]:Leonado Corp Ownership Jed Rothwell Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:26:09 -0800 OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: When I was still one of the NET BoD directors I asked Krivit whether he was > actually pursuing the role of an advocate rather than that of an > independent investigative reporter. This was related to the fact that I > noticed he was spending a great deal of time promoting the so-called merits > of the Widom-Larsen theory out on his NET website. > Krivit has done important work, and he has done a lot of good for the field. Both Steven and I have worked with Krivit, and benefited from the experience. So I do not wish to turn this thread into a "bash Steve Krivit" extravaganza. But I would like to add one thing. >From my perspective, it is pathetic that Krivit is advocating a theory. I do not think he has the expertise to evaluate cold fusion theory. I am sure that I do not have that expertise. I am not ashamed to admit that because Mizuno and many other chemists have told me they cannot make head or tail of theory, and they skip the theory sessions at conferences. If they don't have a clue what Hagelstein is talking about, it is cinch I don't. I get the impression I have a somewhat stronger background in physics and biology than Krivit does. But I am sure that you gave me an oral exam on these theories and asked me to explain some paragraphs from the W-L theory papers, I would have slightest idea what they mean. Here's the thing: I am pretty sure that Krivit would not have the slightest idea either. He can parrot some of the claims in the papers but that is far from understanding what it means, or being able to argue the merits of the theory compared to Hagelstein's theory or some other. For example: Imagine asking Krivit to explicate this: "Generally it can be considered that all effective mass calculations about the charges (electrons and holes) in solids are based on the corresponding electron band structures ignoring the rule given in [1, 2]. However, recently some authors [3, 4] have considered the impact of interaction of external electro-magnetic field with electrons in solids on the electron effective mass, and they have found that increase of this mass can be expected." Imagine asking him: Can you explain what an "effective mass calculation of charges" is? What rule is ignored? How can a magnetic field increase the effective mass of an electron, and what does this mean? Why is this "expected"? I wouldn't have a clue! I can barely make out the claim, and I can't imagine how a magnetic field can increase mass in any sense, virtual or real. Ask him what Eq. 1 means, and what the terms "r is the radius-vector of the electron, E(q) is electron energy in the quasi-elementary cell" mean and I am sure he would be lost at sea. There is a paper by Krivit that says: "Allan Widom and Lewis Larsen propose that, in condensed matter, local breakdown of the Born–Oppenheimer approximation occurs in homogeneous, many-body, collectively oscillating patches of protons, deuterons, or tritons found on surfaces of fully loaded metallic hydrides; Born–Oppenheimer breakdown enables a degree of electromagnetic coupling of surface proton/ deuteron/triton oscillations with those of nearby surface plasmon polariton (SPP) electrons. Such coupling between collective oscillations creates local nuclear-strength electric fields in the vicinity of the patches." http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/KrivitSanewlookat.pdf That is impressive but I suspect it is was written by his co-author Marwan. Anyway, I could crib a similar description of many theory papers without actually knowing what I was saying. I have often edited such papers and occasionally translated them. Naturally, I warn the authors that I may mess things up since I do not understand the content in any depth. There are many secretaries in university departments who edit and rewrite papers without knowing in detail what the papers really mean. Needless to say, there are hoards of nitwits out there editing Wikipedia and making trouble elsewhere who do know the first thing about cold fusion yet who pontificate about it endlessly with great assurance. Krivit is not the only one who does this. But someone is paying him 50 grand to do it . . . Back in the 1980s I read several computer science papers written by "management consultants" that were cribbed. That is to say, the authors knew how to string together impressive sounding jargon describing what was then state-of-the-art programming techniques and the latest microcomputer hardware. It sounded good, like an article in Byte magazine. But I knew a more about computers than these people did, and I could tell they were faking it. I recall in particular a report from McKinsey & Co. in which the authors confused EPROM firmware with operating system object code and application object code. As Dirty Harry said, a man should know his limitations. - Jed
18 posted on 02/19/2012 6:17:28 AM PST by Kevmo (If you can define a man by the depravity of his enemies, Rick Santorum must be a noble soul indeed.)
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To: PapaBear3625
Formatting is all messed up.

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg63446.html




Re: [Vo]:Leonado Corp Ownership
Jed Rothwell Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:26:09 -0800
OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote:

When I was still one of the NET BoD directors I asked Krivit whether he was
> actually pursuing the role of an advocate rather than that of an
> independent investigative reporter. This was related to the fact that I
> noticed he was spending a great deal of time promoting the so-called merits
> of the Widom-Larsen theory out on his NET website.
>

Krivit has done important work, and he has done a lot of good for the
field. Both Steven and I have worked with Krivit, and benefited from the
experience. So I do not wish to turn this thread into a "bash Steve Krivit"
extravaganza. But I would like to add one thing.

>From my perspective, it is pathetic that Krivit is advocating a theory. I
do not think he has the expertise to evaluate cold fusion theory. I am sure
that I do not have that expertise. I am not ashamed to admit that
because Mizuno and many other chemists have told me they cannot make head
or tail of theory, and they skip the theory sessions at conferences. If
they don't have a clue what Hagelstein is talking about, it is cinch I
don't.

I get the impression I have a somewhat stronger background in physics and
biology than Krivit does. But I am sure that you gave me an oral exam on
these theories and asked me to explain some paragraphs from the W-L theory
papers, I would have slightest idea what they mean. Here's the thing: I am
pretty sure that Krivit would not have the slightest idea either. He can
parrot some of the claims in the papers but that is far from understanding
what it means, or being able to argue the merits of the theory compared to
Hagelstein's theory or some other. For example:

Imagine asking Krivit to explicate this:

"Generally it can be considered that all effective mass calculations about
the charges (electrons and holes) in solids are based on the
corresponding electron band structures ignoring the rule given in [1,
2]. However, recently some authors [3, 4] have considered the impact of
interaction of external electro-magnetic field with
electrons in solids on the electron effective mass, and they have found
that increase of this mass can be expected."

Imagine asking him: Can you explain what an "effective mass calculation of
charges" is? What rule is ignored? How can a magnetic field increase the
effective mass of an electron, and what does this mean? Why is this
"expected"?

I wouldn't have a clue! I can barely make out the claim, and I can't
imagine how a magnetic field can increase mass in any sense, virtual or
real.

Ask him what Eq. 1 means, and what the terms "r is the radius-vector of the
electron, E(q) is electron energy in the quasi-elementary cell" mean and I
am sure he would be lost at sea.


There is a paper by Krivit that says:

"Allan Widom and Lewis Larsen propose that, in condensed
matter, local breakdown of the Born–Oppenheimer approximation occurs in
homogeneous, many-body, collectively oscillating
patches of protons, deuterons, or tritons found on surfaces of
fully loaded metallic hydrides; Born–Oppenheimer breakdown
enables a degree of electromagnetic coupling of surface proton/
deuteron/triton oscillations with those of nearby surface plasmon
polariton (SPP) electrons. Such coupling between collective
oscillations creates local nuclear-strength electric fields in the
vicinity of the patches."

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/KrivitSanewlookat.pdf

That is impressive but I suspect it is was written by his co-author Marwan.
Anyway, I could crib a similar description of many theory papers without
actually knowing what I was saying. I have often edited such papers
and occasionally translated them. Naturally, I warn the authors that I may
mess things up since I do not understand the content in any depth. There
are many secretaries in university departments who edit and rewrite papers
without knowing in detail what the papers really mean.

Needless to say, there are hoards of nitwits out there editing Wikipedia
and making trouble elsewhere who do know the first thing about cold fusion
yet who pontificate about it endlessly with great assurance. Krivit is not
the only one who does this. But someone is paying him 50 grand to do it . .
.

Back in the 1980s I read several computer science papers written by
"management consultants" that were cribbed. That is to say, the authors
knew how to string together impressive sounding jargon describing what was
then state-of-the-art programming techniques and the latest microcomputer
hardware. It sounded good, like an article in Byte magazine. But I knew a
more about computers than these people did, and I could tell they were
faking it. I recall in particular a report from McKinsey & Co. in which the
authors confused EPROM firmware with operating system object code and
application object code.

As Dirty Harry said, a man should know his limitations.

- Jed




19 posted on 02/19/2012 6:22:25 AM PST by Kevmo (If you can define a man by the depravity of his enemies, Rick Santorum must be a noble soul indeed.)
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To: Johnny B.

Cold Fusion, the scam that refuses to die.

Anyone heard about the electrolysis injection for cars lately?


20 posted on 02/19/2012 6:22:25 AM PST by Vinnie
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To: Kevmo

A paragraph break somewhere in there would have been nice. Preview is our friend... 8-)


21 posted on 02/19/2012 6:22:48 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: Kevmo
The nice thing about this particular story is it's simplicity.

Krivit specifies a specific NI representative making a specific statement. It will be quick and easy to prove or disprove. And, I strongly suspect that NI will have to issue a press release to either confirm or deny this story.

I've already checked, and there really is a Julia Betts, who is the corporate communications and investor relations manager for National Instruments.

Meanwhile, Rossi has used a "secret NATO Colonel" and bogus agreements with the University of Bologna to try to enhance his credibility.

And, regarding your claim that you're only a supporter of LENR, not of Rossi, I would point to the approximate 100 times you've posted your silly little screed with the long list of "unlikely" things Rossi would have to do if he were a fraud, along with noting that most of those things have already been proven.

22 posted on 02/19/2012 6:33:45 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Kevmo; Johnny B.
Nice tapdance away from the issue at hand...

Now, to get on subject, what is your take on the National Instruments statement -- versus Rossi's claims on the same subject?

Nothing theoretical involved; just a minor issue of veracity...

Your turn...

23 posted on 02/19/2012 6:37:49 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: TXnMA
Now, to get on subject, what is your take on the National Instruments statement -- versus Rossi's claims on the same subject?
You mean the statement that Rossi was talking to them about buying some of their equipment, just as thousands of others have done? That statement?

I'm sure that Rossi talked to them about doing business, specifically because he wanted some statement that would allow him to borrow some credibility from a legitimate company, just as he did with the University of Bologna.

And, just as he did with the University of Bologna, he took a preliminary, unfulfilled discussion, and claimed that it was proof of a close, deeply involved working relationship that never existed.

24 posted on 02/19/2012 6:59:53 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: TXnMA
I guess your post was aimed primarily at Kevmo, so I'm sorry if I replied out of turn. However, it's worth pointing out that Rossi is demonstrating that Rossi uses this tactic repeatedly to try to "borrow" credibility from legitimate organizations.

In fact, it appears he did exactly the same thing with the University of New Hampshire when he was trying to sell the Army his non-functional "thermoelectric converter" more than a decade ago.

25 posted on 02/19/2012 7:16:11 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.

Summary for all the back in forth.

Rossi is a fraud - D’uh.

NI didn’t have anything to do with him according to NI. - D’uh.

Can we now move on and ignore Rossi and Cold Fusion.


26 posted on 02/19/2012 7:24:59 AM PST by fremont_steve
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To: Johnny B.

I am somewhat surprised that they’re not a customer of Nat Inst. Nat Inst makes instrumentation for just about everything, and it’s used by just about everyone (including yers truly).

I used to work a block up the street from them. By the big “rusty bridge.”


27 posted on 02/19/2012 8:05:34 AM PST by Erasmus (Able was I ere I saw this crappy little island.)
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To: Erasmus
I am somewhat surprised that they’re not a customer of Nat Inst. Nat Inst makes instrumentation for just about everything, and it’s used by just about everyone (including yers truly).
That's because you don't need any of the instrumentation from National Instruments to run an investment fraud.
28 posted on 02/19/2012 9:18:41 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Erasmus
That's because you don't need any of the instrumentation from National Instruments to run an investment fraud.
Sorry! I meant: "That's because Rossi doesn't need any of the instrumentation from National Instruments to run an investment fraud.

Hope my meaning was clear in spite of my typo!

29 posted on 02/19/2012 10:48:33 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.
Rossi has responded HERE:
Dear Lu Fong:
I have received many comments with the same questions regarding National Instruments, so I answer to you and the answers are valid also for the other Readers who have put the same questions.
We have worked very well with N.I., and we have learnt from them very much. We are very grateful to them for all what they have teached to us, training our technological people in a very useful way, for weeks.
As I said already, Leonardo Corporation is structurally changed in these last weeks, and the Trust to which now Leonardo Corporation belongs has chosen other suppliers. Also our Customer has chosen other suppliers. We will remain always grateful to NI for what they teached to our people and we will ask in future proposals also to them . Personally, I am convinced that sooner or later we will buy also their systems.
Said this, I want answer in the detail to your questions:
1- Our scheduling, obviously, will not be affected, the suppliers we have chosen are already respecting all the scheduled milestones.
2- 3- Yes, we have already the control systems set up in the 1 MW plant, which will be delivered to the Customer very soon. By the way, such systems have been chosen directly from the Customer, who preferred a supplier he was already working with.
I want to add that we have chosen other Customers not because better, but only because of their longstanding collaboration with our Partners and Customer. I personally think that NI is a very good company and, again, we will maintain them in our list of Suppliers, honoured of this.
The 1 MW plant is a magnificence, and the preparation of the robotized line to produce the E-Cats is in schedule to start the production within Autumn and the deliveries within the next Winter, with some luck; in the worst case, within 18 months we will deliver, and we will deliver at the prices we promised. The technology has been revolutionized, we are testing the new E-Cats and we are very satisfied. This very week we will start to use the new control system made by the new Supplier.
Let me do a last consideration: the fact that snakes and clowns have used this episode to create a mess is the demonstration that we have not to release the names of our Partner, Suppliers and Customers, to avoid the falsifications that the puppet snakes and the clowns make up and, over all, the disturbments that they bring up to all the entities working with us. We all need to work in peace. We have to work in our factories 16 hours per day (also today, Sunday) and we have not time at all to compete in the field of the chatters of snakes who are PAID by their puppeteers to try to create a mess from nothing.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

30 posted on 02/19/2012 2:19:25 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.
And Krivit has now posted the entire email HERE:
Subject: Re: Need info please – Please just one more question.
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 13:05:42 -0600
From: Julia Betts
To: [Mystery Author]

Per our previous statement from November, we were only in discussions with the Leonardo Corporation regarding the use of National Instruments engineering tools. Currently Leonardo Corporation/Andrea Rossi is not a customer of National Instruments.

NI platforms can be used for Low Energy Nuclear Reaction (LENR) applications, particularly the National Instruments Reconfigurable I/O (RIO) platform that is based on FPGA (field programmable gate array) technology for the control and monitoring needs. The FPGAs are programmable integrated circuits that offer true parallelism, high-speed analysis of data and a high level of reliability needed for control and monitoring applications.

We do think the field of LENR is a very intriguing research area that has potential to impact the energy crisis that is facing the world. NI believes in providing the right tools and platforms to enable engineers and scientists to focus on innovation and solving the grand engineering challenges such as energy from fusion, cancer therapy in the field of medicine and smart grids for better urban infrastructure, to name a few. We are working with Universities and Research Centers around the world to empower researchers and scientists who are working on magnetic confined fusion, inertial confined fusion and Low Energy Nuclear Reaction (some times called “cold fusion”)

Hope this clarifies.

Julia Betts – Corporate Communications and Investor Relations Manager – National Instruments – 512-659-9643 (mobile)


31 posted on 02/19/2012 2:21:46 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.
So, when evidence that Rossi has been lying about his involvement with National Instruments appears, he suddenly changes his story to one where National Instruments was involved, but his "secret" customer (I notice he's only talking about a single customer) sent them away.

Meanwhile, the NI rep says "we were only in discussions with Rossi" and that Rossi is "currently not a customer". There is some room for interpretation there, but I suspect if Rossi ever had been a customer, she would have mentioned it. I suspect her use of the word "currently" is there because she wouldn't rule out future dealings, not that he once was a customer.

I strongly suspect that if Rossi lied about NI's involvement while he was selling "franchises", that that would be enough all by itself to put him in prison. I've read numerous statements from Rossi supporters that the association with National Instruments was the primary reason they believed that it wasn't a scam.

32 posted on 02/19/2012 2:28:15 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.
Rossi also makes some bizarre comments about this situation. He says:
the fact that snakes and clowns have used this episode to create a mess is the demonstration that we have not to release the names of our Partner, Suppliers and Customers, to avoid the falsifications that the puppet snakes and the clowns make up and, over all, the disturbments that they bring up to all the entities working with us.
But in fact, if he were more open, there wouldn't be room for "the snakes" to "falsify" anything. Of course, keeping everything secret makes it easy for Rossi to falsify things (like his relationship with NI).

He also says:

We have to work in our factories 16 hours per day (also today, Sunday) and we have not time at all to compete in the field of the chatters of snakes who are PAID by their puppeteers to try to create a mess from nothing.
I would love to see any evidence he has that people are being paid to create trouble for him (by producing evidence of his lies, I guess).
33 posted on 02/19/2012 2:33:34 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.
It was fine the way you wrote it.

"You" can mean "a person" if read properly in context.

In fact it is literally true that if I, personally, wanted to do some scentific fraud, I wouldn't, as you say, need the instrumentation from NI (unless, of course, it would contribute the the sex appeal of the demo).

34 posted on 02/19/2012 4:37:54 PM PST by Erasmus (Able was I ere I saw this crappy little island.)
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To: Erasmus

I meant “One doesn’t”, but I always thought that sounded pretentious, so I substituted “You don’t” without thinking you might reasonably take it as addressed specifically to you. :-)


35 posted on 02/19/2012 4:59:28 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: TXnMA

I’ve said what I have to say on this seagull thread.

I’m a LENR fan, not necessarily a Rossi fan.


36 posted on 02/20/2012 12:22:41 AM PST by Kevmo (If you can define a man by the depravity of his enemies, Rick Santorum must be a noble soul indeed.)
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To: Johnny B.; Kevmo

Where exactly are these “factories” to which Rossi refers? Are they all located in his fifth-floor apartment in Miami?


37 posted on 02/20/2012 3:43:50 AM PST by dinodino
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To: Johnny B.
I meant “One doesn’t”, but I always thought that sounded pretentious, so I substituted “You don’t”

And that is what "one" is for. A lack in standard English that is addressed by the Southern "y'all" is another, more specific pronoun that needs greater currency.

38 posted on 02/20/2012 4:07:21 AM PST by Mycroft Holmes (<= Mash name for HTML Xampp PHP C JavaScript primer)
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To: Kevmo
I’m a LENR fan, not necessarily a Rossi fan.
Ha ha! That's a good one!

You've posted your silly little "Unfortunately, if Rossi" defense at least 100 times here on Free Republic, so you certainly are a Rossi fan.

I guess you have to back off now that it's become obvious even to you that Rossi is a fraud.

Time for you to become a devoted follower of the next free-energy scam.

39 posted on 02/20/2012 4:50:05 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Vinnie
"Cold Fusion, the scam that refuses to die."

Perhaps the reason "Cold Fusion" (more accurately LANR...Lattice Assisted Nuclear Reactions) "refuses to die" is that it is NOT "a scam". ROSSI may indeed turn out to be a scamster, but there is plenty of peer-reviewed evidence that LANR is quite real.

"IF" Rossi's efforts turn out to "be a scam" it will be the FIRST such scam perpetrated by advocates of LANR. The single PROVEN case of fraud was done by some "unknown" party at MIT on the first replication of Pons/Fleischmann done there. "Someone" CHANGED THE DATA in the publication to indicate that LANR had not worked, when in fact, the data in the databooks showed precisely what Pons/Fleischmann had found. That fraud was discovered and thoroughly investigated by Eugene Mallove...who resigned his position at MIT because of it.

Retrospective analysis of data from several other efforts by physicists "disproving" LANR have been found to have simply been badly done....i.e. they didn't run their apparatus long enough to get sufficient D2 loading to "trigger" the LANR effect.

40 posted on 02/20/2012 5:11:13 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Johnny B.

• Here’s my standard ‘ignore’ post to Johnny B.
This will be my standard post to you that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. You’ve proven you’re just here to harass; you have demonstrated that you are not here to discuss things on a level that Free Republic intended.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2832338/posts?page=51#51


41 posted on 02/20/2012 7:52:58 AM PST by Kevmo (If you can define a man by the depravity of his enemies, Rick Santorum must be a noble soul indeed.)
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To: Johnny B.

Didn’t we pretty well nail down the ID of the “NATO Colonel” to Bob Gentile?


42 posted on 02/21/2012 4:53:19 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Johnny B.

Just like to note that the Solyndra blow-up has put a dent in the marketability of all “green energy” projects and people and deals ~ that pretty much cuts off Bob Gentile’s money spigot.


43 posted on 02/21/2012 4:56:58 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Didn’t we pretty well nail down the ID of the “NATO Colonel” to Bob Gentile?
Only in your fevered imagination.

Here is the mysterious "Dominico Fioravanti":

Dominico Fioravanti

Here is Robert Gentile:

Robert Gentile

44 posted on 02/21/2012 5:39:18 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.

Naw, that’s just the guy identified as an engineer representing a military entity of some kind. Unless you can put rank on his shoulder bars it’s gotta be Bob Gentile because, at the time, Bob was in a position to run multi-millions of the big bucks into this or anything else that looked promising.


45 posted on 02/21/2012 5:51:29 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Johnny B.

http://e-catsite.com/


46 posted on 02/22/2012 6:39:57 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
It's interesting how much Rossi's tone has changed since this story came out.

11/10/2011: Sterling Allan reports that Rossi and National Instruments have signed a contract for NI to provide all instrumentation for the E-Cat. (LINK)

11/11/2011: Rossi posts reader's comments on his blog referring to Allan's report. He doesn't specifically confirm the report, but the fact that he posted at least 2 comments with the "news" suggests that he wanted to spread the "news". (LINK, LINK)

11/14/2011: National Instruments releases a statement stating that their equipment is used in a variety of physics research, including both "hot" and "cold" fusion. The mention in passing, "Additionally, the Leonardo Corporation has intentions to incorporate NI tools in its control system." (LINK)

11/10/2011 - 1/18/2012: Rossi and his associates make several statements about how NI is working closely with NI and Rossi's "secret customer" as recently as 1/18/2012. (LINK, LINK, LINK, LINK)

Note that the most recent of these messages was damage control from the discovery that Rossi never shipped the original 1MW E-Cat, even though he had claimed earlier that he had done so.

2/19/2012: Steven Krivit posts an email from Julia Betts, Corporate Communications and Investor Relations Manager for National Instruments. (LINK)

Here only factual comment related to Rossi, Leonardo Corporation or the E-Cat is:

"we were only in discussions with the Leonardo Corporation regarding the use of National Instruments engineering tools. Currently Leonardo Corporation/Andrea Rossi is not a customer of National Instruments."
Nothing about a contract being signed and nothing about NI ever doing any work on or for the E-Cat. Just some pre-sales talks that apparently fell through, just like Rossi's never-activated contract with the University of Bologna.

2/19/2012: Rossi responds to the email denying a relationship with NI. His tone has drastically changed. In this post, he says nothing about actually having a contract. He says nothing about his earlier claims that NI and his "secret customer" were working closely together. He says nothing about his earlier claims that NI was helping solve technical problems with the E-Cat. Now, he only claims that they "taught" him and "his people" over the course of "weeks". (LINK).

He also, belatedly, mentions that his "secret customer" has decided not to use NI equipment. This would have been more meaningful if he had mentioned it before he was caught in this contradiction.

Interesting, Julia Betts confirms only Rossi's latest comment, which ignores all of the claims he has been making over the last three months, and only speak to National Instruments "teaching" him useful information.

In spite of the spin this will no doubt get, all it proves is that Rossi received some information from NI. It does not prove that NI ever saw an E-Cat, let alone worked on one.

It seems that this is just another example of Rossi claiming that he was going to work with a credible organization (NI, UniBo) just for the purpose of getting some good publicity and borrowing credibility from those organizations.

47 posted on 02/22/2012 7:56:52 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.
It seems that this is just another example of Rossi claiming that he was going to work with a credible organization (NI, UniBo) just for the purpose of getting some good publicity and borrowing credibility from those organizations.

The Rossi fan boys can't get enough of it either. I wonder why he didn't choose a legitimate career in sales rather than fraud -- probably the excitement and adulation.

48 posted on 02/22/2012 12:10:53 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
The story has been updated, see http://e-catsite.com/2012/02/21/ni-corroborates-rossi-statements/

Update: Julia Betts of National Instruments contacted me this morning and asked that I make two clarifications to this article. While Ms. Betts and National Instruments are overall satisfied with the tone and accuracy of this piece, there are some things they would like clarified to avoid any misunderstanding. NI generally concurs with the characterization of their relationship with Leonardo Corp as portrayed by Andrea Rossi, and as outlined by his statements made recently and linked to above. However, they cannot vouch for EVERY statement he has made regarding their relationship in the last couple of months as it is difficult to be aware of everything he has said. The discussions and technical collaboration that NI engaged in with Leonardo Corp included NI making preliminary suggestions on platforms that could be used for the control system. These types of discussions are part of standard practice in order to assess and accurately meet a customers needs.

So, Julia Betts is only confirming Rossi's latest statement. That's the one where he drops any claims of NI doing any actual work on the E-Cat, and only talks about how they were useful in "teaching" him.

She also states that they only had the types of discussions about how NI instrumentation can be used for control applications.

So, once again, a clear case where Rossi has lied about his relationship with a legitimate organization in order to "borrow" some credibility.

49 posted on 02/23/2012 3:47:46 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Johnny B.; Admin Moderator; dangerdoc; citizen; Liberty1970; Red Badger; Wonder Warthog; ...

• Admin moderator:
What does it take to get someone to stop stalking an entire “courtesy” ping list of Freepers?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1888013/posts
Final note: Trolls, troublemakers, disruptors, forum pests, malcontents, RINOs, liberals, stalkers, et al, would continue posting to (harassing) someone after being asked to stop. Conservative FReepers would not.


50 posted on 03/12/2012 3:40:22 PM PDT by Kevmo (If you can define a man by the depravity of his enemies, Rick Santorum must be a noble soul indeed.)
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