Beam me to Planet Gore !
Posted on 02/19/2012 8:59:22 AM PST by reaganaut1
Receiving an email with a statement like “You should resign, and if you don’t, I’ll work to see that you are fired” or “I know where your kids go to school” would be unsettling enough. But they “pale compared to what other climate scientists are getting,” says Raymond Orbach, director of the Energy Institute at the University of Texas at Austin, at whom the first threat above was aimed.
Now climate scientists—in atmospheric physics and chemistry, geophysics, meteorology, hydrology, and oceanography, among other disciplines—have begun to fight back. “I think the community is finding a voice,” says Ben Santer of Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, whose work has largely focused on identifying the human influence on global climate, and who once answered a late-night knock to find a dead rat on his doorstep.
(Excerpt) Read more at physicstoday.org ...
global warming ping
Skepticism is the heart of science, remove it and you have faith.
Thanks reaganaut1.
The feeling is mutual.
- Part of an email from an AGW droid that was released in Climategate.
My sense is that this is part of a planned PR campaign. This is the primary theme in Mann’s new book. Judging from the comments on various environmental blogs such as Revkin’s or the Amazon reviews for Mann’s book there is no real differnece in the level of nastiness from either side of this debate.
hahahaha, it's a quote from the would be pugilist:
"Ben "I am going to punch Pat Michaels" Santer"
Peer review?
That was sarcasm. I do not buy into the Global Warming BS.
LOL, the chief perpetrators of intimidation are supposed to be the victims of it.
Now climate scientists—in atmospheric physics and chemistry, geophysics, meteorology, hydrology, and oceanography, among other disciplines—have begun to fight back.Poor babies. Where is my tiny violin?
As of December, it had raised more than $20 000 for Mann, who is fighting Freedom of Information Act demands by the American Tradition Institute think tank for 5000 pages of his email correspondence. The fund also offers informal counseling to harassed climate scientists and plans to hire a staff attorney to offer quick and experienced help.
“Many scientists think they can win by blocking punches. You have to throw them,” says Mandia, who teaches physical sciences at New York’s Suffolk County Community College. “The main thing is that the world understands there is a group that will defend climate scientists who are being harassed.”"
Don't drill and force the "green" plans down our throat. The first mistake was the damn ethanol fiasco. I know farmers who have totally abandoned other crops for corn for "ethanol" only. Changed the entire price structure of the food market and it sure wasn't good news for the consumer.
The green cause IS A MESS!!
Why should they as long as socialists are willing to pay them megabucks to lie?
“Now climate scientists...’
These aren’t scientists. They’re political hacks and thieves trying to shove fascism down our throats. As for the threats, that’s about the only thing leftists understand.
“The feeling is mutual.”
Inga: “Mmmmmmmmm....the feeling is moochal!”.
Conservative talk show host Phil Valentine’s recently released movie, An Inconsistent Truth, can’t be helping. It is the rebuttal to Al Gore’s movie. Here it is on IMDB.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1806777/
Of course there is global warming.
From where I type the Laurentide ice sheet was a mile thick - must have been all those Native American campires in the south 10,000 years ago that ended the last ice age.
"We've decided that climate change is real, and by Gaia, no amount of fact-laden rhetoric is going to convince us otherwise," said Dr. O. Sean Plummet, head of the Ministry of Propaganda for the Society of Environmental Marxist Redistributionist Fearmongers.
I appreciate in the linked article, Gavin Schmidt bemoans there is not a (penalty) price on the use of carbon based fuels. One might likewise notice there is no penalty price placed upon the climate doom advocates for their suggested costly prescriptions to avert “doom.” I could offer a compromise.
Climate doom advocates should construct a falsification scenario by which certain observations would be able to invalidate the current AGW postulate. Being clever and modern scientists, they could agree on the conditions under which AGW could no longer survive as a valid theory. Further, to reintroduce the power of “costs” which so interests Gavin Schmidt, these same climate doom advocates should agree that upon the occurrence of the falsification scenario, all of the earnings amassed by AGW proponents, including those estates of former advocates, should be forfeited to public use to remediate against the unnecessary excessive costs that these same scientists have heaped upon civilizations. They further agree to having their scientific credentials stripped and will never again work in any science capacity or in any capacity of any government or government funded institution.
If Gavin wants a price to be paid for damaging actions, Gavin should have his price.
I can’t believe the tone of that article. Talk about political ideology. I’m surprised it was published. What’s next, a resurgence in Lysenkoism?
Sierra snowpack study instantly attacked because it undermines AGW claims
The AGW “cause” is seriously harming the credibility of scientists in general.
When I read anything that includes “scientists say ...” I immediately put my skeptic’s hat on these days.
This piece, in a supposedly credible science journal using loaded terms like
“climate change deniers”,
unsupported statements like
“Climate scientists overwhelmingly agree that climate change is happening, although details of how it will play out are uncertain. “,
and then having the unmitigated gall to quote Michael “Hockey Stick/Hide the decline” Mann without any reference to legitimate questions as to his credibility regarding the very subject of the article is unbelievable.
“Scientists” had better recognize the harm the AGW movement is doing to their general reputation and return to the true scientific method if the creditability of “scientists” is to be restored.
Ask this question: Does a rise in temperature cause a subsequent rise in CO2, or do rises in CO2 cause a rise in temperature? The answer is that the rises in temperature cause more CO2. How much CO2 comes from the volcanic activity on the bottom of the oceans? What device do you use to measure CO2 emissions coming from the ocean? Without this data, then I have to say that it is pretty hard to say that man is cuasing any rise in temperature and subsequently CO2, or politically motivated “global warming” and now morphed into “climate change”.
it is pretty hard to say that man is cuasing any rise in temperature and subsequently CO2, or politically motivated “global warming"...
A better statement of the facts is "man has caused a rise in CO2 well beyond that expected from natural warming; that rise in CO2 may or may not cause a rise in temperature based on feedbacks (pos or neg) which are poorly understood"
Not sure why he needs a defense fund. Why doesn't he just use his super powers?
source: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/23/supermandia-and-the-most-supersilly-climategate-rebuttal-ever/
That is true and there are many poseurs in the climate skeptic camp who have done that. When they are not sending out hate mail they are sending ad homs to anybody who disputes their version of physics that “proves” that the greenhouse gas effect is an illusion.
Why are you using the ideal gas equation to discuss solubility of gas in a liquid?
And what are your units on the 280 and 290?
Perhaps filling in a couple of the missing steps would be helpful.
A better statement of the facts is "man has caused a rise in CO2 well beyond that expected from natural warming; that rise in CO2 may or may not cause a rise in temperature based on feedbacks (pos or neg) which are poorly understood"
An even better statement is that "there are quite possibly a large number of competing equilibria beyond the few we are cherry-picking for our sensationalist rhetoric; but we insist on starting a search for climate heretics in order to squelch even the appearance of dissent, the better to secure our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred dishonor."
Cheers! Cheers!
He’ll need those tall boots to keep wading through the Team’s BS.
For seawater the partial pressure of CO2 doubles for every 16K in temperature increase (because wikipedia says so). That means a 6.4K increase in ocean temperature to get the increase we have seen. But we have seen only 1K or a bit more since the end of the Little Ice Age, so the bulk of the increase of CO2 in the atmosphere is not from ocean warming but from something else (tree clearing, fossil fuel burning, etc)
Cheers!
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