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Do Republicans want a Protestant POTUS candidate?

Posted on 02/19/2012 4:53:22 PM PST by Andy from Chapel Hill

57% of Republicans are Protestant and 23% are Catholic, if I read the data at Pew Research correctly.

Today, after church (Presbyterian, but thinking about joining an unaffilated church), a group of us older and more conservative men began discussing the lack of enthusiasm among the Republican base for any of the current candidates. One fellow said "I am not Catholic because I do not agree with the Catholic Church's teachings and I am not Mormon because I do not want to be a Mormon". Others generally agreed and said that the candidate's religion mattered a lot.

Is the talk about a contested convention and the possibility of candidates like Palin, Jeb Bush, etc. really a front for a movement toward a Protestant candidate?

I know I will be flamed for asking this question, but please consider it as a question that the base is considering.

Disclosure: Among the group, I like Newt the best, but in a contested convention, I would prefer someone new paired with Paul Ryan as VP (Ryan is a Catholic).


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To: Andy from Chapel Hill
I'm Catholic. I save my biggest ire for so called Catholics who aren't really Catholic. John Kerry.

I have no problems voting for practicing Catholics, Evangelical Protestants, Mainline Protestants, or even Mormons if they have the right values.

51 posted on 02/19/2012 6:40:52 PM PST by Darren McCarty (Rick Santorum in the primary)
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill

Although I’m a Christian and cultural conservative, I don’t think of the US as ever having been a theocracy, or a religious institution. Nothing I’ve seen makes me think any of the Republican candidates intend to change that. Democrats like to get Republicans and the rest of the public embroiled in these dead-end debates, so their man can finish destroying our constitutional republic, Christianity, the economy and any future our children hope to have.


52 posted on 02/19/2012 6:47:41 PM PST by pallis
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill

As long as the candidate is not a cheerleader for his sect, It really should not matter to a conservative.

It is a real sign of stupidity for a GOP POTUS candidate to start talking about issues that Christianity related in a prism framed by his/her sect.

This is one thing that bothers me about Santorum, he tends in this direction more than he should.


53 posted on 02/19/2012 6:55:43 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: jjotto
It is an interesting question. Perhaps Protestants sense their own churches surrender in the culture war and have hope that a reservoir of Biblical morality exists among Catholics?

Not from any Protestants that I know.

Quite the opposite, since the majority of Catholics seem to vote Democrat.
54 posted on 02/19/2012 6:57:30 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

I kinda agree with you: It would seem logical for conservative Catholics to look outside for politicos to support, considering the shameful efforts of groups like the USCCB to impose socialism. Do they really think they won’t be first against the wall when The Revolution comes?

But I am surprised that even Evangelicals are looking for a Catholic to support, or are at least open to it.


55 posted on 02/19/2012 7:09:11 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill

As long as it is a Christian, I am happy. Santorum, Gingrich, and Paul are the 3 Christians currently in the race.


56 posted on 02/19/2012 7:15:57 PM PST by wolfman23601
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill

As a Catholic, I have to say that most of the Protestant presidents have done a good job. I fully expect a (conservative) Catholic will do the same.


57 posted on 02/19/2012 7:17:30 PM PST by sneakers (EAT YOUR PEAS!)
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To: jjotto
But I am surprised that even Evangelicals are looking for a Catholic to support, or are at least open to it.

I don't think that they are "looking for a Catholic to support" but instead, are mature enough to overlook differences in Christian sects and instead are looking for a suitable conservative to support no matter the sect he or she belongs to.
58 posted on 02/19/2012 7:18:27 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: Marguerite; Linda Frances; caww
Marguerite wrote: Santorum: “We look at the shape of mainline Protestantism in this country and it is a shambles, it is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it.”

....but Marguerite did not provide the link for the full speech this was included in. This was a speech Santorum gave to a Catholic College (I think). Here is the link where the whole speech can be listened to if desired. The Daily Caller

Marguerite, why are you so interested in our elections over here in the US....and why are you consistently all over the Santorum threads, bashing him?
59 posted on 02/19/2012 7:23:33 PM PST by Girlene
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill

Gentleman’s agreement.


60 posted on 02/19/2012 7:33:02 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Romney just makes me tired all over.)
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To: Marguerite
This is his whole speech and I agree with him. He sounds more like a protestant than catholic in this speech. He is right because, so many churches have compromised their message. Look at Joel Osteen who said mormons are believers like Christians, or at churches like the methodist who are ordaining gay ministers and saying abortion is ok. Too many churches don't teach right and wrong so they won't lose members. Not all, but way to many. Obamas church claims to be christian and westboro baptist church is a joke. He's right when he says this is a spiritual war, it is. All believers in Christ who stand without compromise are under attack. I believe we should stand together because, Christ's church is under attack.

A speech former Senator Rick Santorum delivered at a Catholic college in 2008 began burning up the left-wing blogosphere Friday afternoon. At Ave Maria University in Naples, Florida, Santorum argued that Satan was using the national debate over abortion as a tool to destroy the institutions of American culture — including universities, the government, popular culture, and mainline Protestant churches.

“This is not a political war at all. This is not a cultural war at all. This is a spiritual war,” Santorum said during his August 29, 2008 speech. “And the Father of Lies has his sights on what you would think the Father of Lies, Satan, would have his sights on: a good, decent, powerful, influential country, the United States of America.”

The portion of his remarks that have attracted the most attention — including scorn from the liberal People for the American Way, which identified the university’s podcast of Santorum’s speech on Friday — concern his view that Protestant churches have been compromised by that “spiritual war” over the question of when life begins.

Santorum is a devout Roman Catholic.

“Once the colleges fell, and those who were being educated in our institutions,” he said during the speech, “the next was the church. Now you’d say, ‘Well, wait, the Catholic Church?’ No.”

“We all know that this country was founded on a Judeo-Christian ethic, but the Judeo-Christian ethic was a Protestant Judeo-Christian ethic. Sure, the Catholics had some influence, but this was a Protestant country and the Protestant ethic. Mainstream, mainline Protestantism.

“And of course we look at the shape of mainline Protestantism in this country and it is a shambles. It is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it. So they attacked mainline Protestantism, they attacked the Church, and what better way to go after smart people who also believe they’re pious — to use both vanity and pride to go after the Church.”

Santorum also insisted that Satan has cheapened American pop culture.

“The corruption of culture, the corruption of manners, the corruption of decency is now on display,” he said, “whether it’s the NBA or whether it’s a rock concert or whether it’s on a movie set.”

(LISTEN: Santorum’s complete 2008 speech at Ave Maria University)

In 2008 Santorum was on the outside of the presidential race looking in, criticizing then-Senator Barack Obama for telling Pastor Rick Warren during a candidate forum that determining when life begins is “above my pay grade.”

He also slammed then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for telling NBC’s Tom Brokaw on “Meet the Press” that “the doctors of the Church have not been able to make that definition … We don’t know.”

Pelosi described herself during that August 24, 2008 interview as “an ardent, practicing Catholic.”

Santorum, speaking less than a week later, leaned on day-old comments from Bishop Sam Aquila of Fargo, N.D. Catholics who support “so-called abortion rights,” Aquila said, referring to Pelosi, “support a false right, promote a culture of death, and are guided by the ‘Father of Lies.’”

Aquila also said pro-abortion Catholics should refrain from taking Communion at church.

Speaking to Ave Maria University students one day later, Santorum picked up on the bishop’s “Father of Lies” rhetoric.

“That great acidic quality of time corrodes away even the strongest foundations,” Santorum said. “And Satan has done so by attacking the great institutions of America.”

Reached for comment late Friday night, Santorum deputy communications director Matt Beynon referred questions to communications director Hogan Gidley, who was not immediately available.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/18/catholic-santorum-in-2008-protestantism-in-shambles-gone-from-the-world-of-christianity/#ixzz1mt0mWObs

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/18/catholic-santorum-in-2008-protestantism-in-shambles-gone-from-the-world-of-christianity/#ixzz1mt0MuKGs

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/18/catholic-santorum-in-2008-protestantism-in-shambles-gone-from-the-world-of-christianity/#ixzz1mszaPVlh

61 posted on 02/19/2012 7:35:40 PM PST by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed.)
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To: daniel1212
But Santorum’s recent affirmation of the President as being a Christian testifies to his lack of discernment.

Santorum's answer was THE Christian answer; as a Christian you must accept the word of someone who professes to be a Christian. A higher power will separate the sheep from the goats.

62 posted on 02/19/2012 7:40:56 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Romney just makes me tired all over.)
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To: Girlene
I read that full speech Marguerite referenced....and Santorum says the same things today he did in 08"...nothings changed in that respect.

santorum reminds me of a preacher man. He needs to tone it down and not make such a specticle of social issues when the people want and need to hear about the peril our country is in and how he intends to stop the trajectory. So for he hasn't presented a plan..just opinions.

BTW Santorum is at the beginning now of being vetted..At last! So you'd better be prepared for people being "all over his threads"....it goes with the process.

I greatly enjoy Marguerite's opinions and posts...as well as her comments. You can always scroll by them.

63 posted on 02/19/2012 7:48:53 PM PST by caww
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To: Mike Darancette
as a Christian you must accept the word of someone who professes to be a Christian.

Oh really? No...that is not true..would you not make judgement calls concerning who your children associate with or support? Of course you would. Many people claim the Christian faith and yet Jesus said we would know them by their fruits...that we needed to understand some would go out from among us but are not part of us. And that false teacchers would indeed be among us as wolves in sheeps clothing. So yes indeed.....we need to discern those who lay claim to Christianity...especailly as that day approaches when we are warned many false and misleading teachers will be laying claim to the faith.

64 posted on 02/19/2012 7:55:38 PM PST by caww
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65 posted on 02/19/2012 7:57:31 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill

I’m still trying to figure out if they want a republican POTUS candidate.


66 posted on 02/19/2012 8:00:24 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill

“Do Republicans want a Protestant POTUS candidate?”

I’d say that the discontent comes more from something like this- our field is not all we would like it to be. Paul is nuts, Santorum is a nice guy but not perceived as a fighter, and Newt is a bit of Washington-insider shady. Then we have Romney who might as well be Obama.(Pretty much leaves either Newt or Santorum, in my book.) I account myself a Protestant Christian who sees Catholics as brethren who are in error. I wouldn’t have a problem voting for a Catholic, assuming their views are socially and fiscally conservative.


67 posted on 02/19/2012 8:00:54 PM PST by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
I don’t care about the religious aspect a tenth as much as I care whether or not the candidate is a genuine American - that is, one who loves and supports our Constitution, our legal heritage and our historic culture and traditions
. . . and, as it turns out, most of the justices of SCOTUS who fit that description are Catholics.

68 posted on 02/19/2012 8:01:52 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: Linda Frances
Santorum is running for President...not for Pope Linda. His verbal statements on social issues are so far right he will offend those who are independents as well as libertarians....and those who are not of the Catholic faith...that's just a fact. You cannot insult peoples faith as a candidate and that's exactly what he is doing in this article including those of his own fatih....so he's making himself look extrodinarily self-righteous and above all else.

This is not new to those of us in Pa. which is one of the reasons people voted him out...he offended many and has an arrogance that does not quite unless he's running for office...even then you will see it slither out as we are seeing more of in his stage presence.

69 posted on 02/19/2012 8:03:26 PM PST by caww
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To: Linda Frances
Santorum is running for President...not for Pope Linda. His verbal statements on social issues are so far right he will offend those who are independents as well as libertarians....and those who are not of the Catholic faith...that's just a fact. You cannot insult peoples faith as a candidate and that's exactly what he is doing in this article including those of his own fatih....so he's making himself look extrodinarily self-righteous and above all else.

This is not new to those of us in Pa. which is one of the reasons people voted him out...he offended many and has an arrogance that does not quite unless he's running for office...even then you will see it slither out as we are seeing more of in his stage presence.

70 posted on 02/19/2012 8:04:27 PM PST by caww
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill
Is the talk about a contested convention and the possibility of candidates like Palin, Jeb Bush, etc. really a front for a movement toward a Protestant candidate?

Jeb is Catholic too.

71 posted on 02/19/2012 8:08:26 PM PST by NeoCaveman (SMOD 2012)
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To: SoConPubbie

Rick answers the questions he is asked. He is just asked them incessantly.


72 posted on 02/19/2012 8:10:09 PM PST by malos (Call Me Inpressed)
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To: caww

“Santorum is running for President...not for Pope Linda”

He was talking about Obama’s environmentalism not his Christianity. You sound like the the people who were afraid of Kennedy 50 years ago.


73 posted on 02/19/2012 8:13:44 PM PST by malos (Call Me Inpressed)
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To: jjotto

Not likely. The least among evangelicals (though there is decline there also). See post 42.


74 posted on 02/19/2012 8:14:42 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust in the Lord Jesus to save you as a damned+morally destitute sinner ,+ be forgiven+live)
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill

is this really an issue?


75 posted on 02/19/2012 8:19:29 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Linda Frances

And then there is

“...there’s a question about whether this canon’’ – the relevant church law – “was ever intended to be used’’ to bring politicians to heel. He thinks not. “I stand with the great majority of American bishops and bishops around the world in saying this canon was never intended to be used this way.’’ — from the thread [Archbishop] Wuerl: Why I Won’t Deny Pelosi Communion http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2247058/posts

Albany Bishop Howard Hubbard says it is “unfair and imprudent” to conclude that Gov. Andrew Cuomo and his girlfriend, Sandra Lee, shouldn’t receive Communion simply because they’re living together. — from the thread Bishop: None of your business (Hubbard rejects Catholic expert’s criticism of Gov. Cuomo) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2679260/posts

[Archbishop Timothy Dolan] also does not outright deny the sacrament to dissenting Catholic lawmakers, but he is seen as an outspoken defender of church orthodoxy in a style favored by many theological conservatives.
— from the thread US bishops elect NYC archbishop as head in upset (Catholic bloggers blamed) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2711746/posts?page=289#289


76 posted on 02/19/2012 8:20:26 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust in the Lord Jesus to save you as a damned+morally destitute sinner ,+ be forgiven+live)
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To: malos

This is the artical I was referencing...which has nothing to do with environmental issues. What are you referencing?

catholic-santorum-in-2008-protestantism-in-shambles-gone-from-the-world-of-christianity


77 posted on 02/19/2012 8:21:52 PM PST by caww
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To: caww
Many people claim the Christian faith and yet Jesus said we would know them by their fruits..

I didn't say that Obama's fruits couldn't be questioned but we cannot know his heart or know that his deeds are over. Maybe "trust but verify". This statement on Rick's part takes takes faith off the table for Obama.

We are all sinners.

78 posted on 02/19/2012 8:23:27 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Romney just makes me tired all over.)
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To: Mike Darancette; caww

Where in Scripture does it say we must accept The word of someone they are Christian? The Lord Jesus said by their fruits you shall know them, (Mt. 7:16,20) not by their words, for the kingdom of God is not in Word but in power. (1Cor. 4:20)

“They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. “ (Titus 1:16)


79 posted on 02/19/2012 8:25:45 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust in the Lord Jesus to save you as a damned+morally destitute sinner ,+ be forgiven+live)
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To: daniel1212

Hello Daniel....

So what’s your take on why Santorum is speaking so candidily about faith matters? I know it’s his makeup and such that goes with his denomination...but I just think he needs to be addressing the issues as issues. Bringing his religious beliefs into the fray so vividly will turn non-believers against him..and even believers for that matter.....we’ll loose this election if he wins and continues with what is seen as ‘babbling’ about religious matters IMO.


80 posted on 02/19/2012 8:29:21 PM PST by caww
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To: daniel1212

Therefore, accept one another, just as Christ also accepted us to the glory of God.
Romans 15:7


81 posted on 02/19/2012 8:43:02 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Romney just makes me tired all over.)
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill

I’m Jewish and I don’t care about the candidate’s religion. I want him to be a constitutional conservative. To be one, I think you have to believe in the one true omnipotent Gd. I really like Santorum.


82 posted on 02/19/2012 8:45:15 PM PST by Yaelle (Go Santorum!)
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To: Apollo5600
No, that really isn’t it.

Maybe not with the Presidential race, but the conservative Protestants I speak with admire the stand the Catholic Church has taken in the culture wars as their own churches have been either silenced or co-oped-ed.

83 posted on 02/19/2012 8:51:57 PM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: SoConPubbie

“Quite the opposite, since the majority of Catholics seem to vote Democrat”

Very few REAL Catholics (ones that regularly attend Mass, and actually know something about their faith), vote democrat. Most vote for pro-life Catholics and most pro-life Catholics tend to be in the Republican Party.

“To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant”.

~ Cardinal John Henry Newman
Famous 19th Century convert from Protestantism


84 posted on 02/19/2012 9:09:52 PM PST by NKP_Vet (creep.)
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To: SoConPubbie

“Quite the opposite, since the majority of Catholics seem to vote Democrat”

Very few REAL Catholics (ones that regularly attend Mass, and actually know something about their faith), vote democrat. Most vote for pro-life candidates and most pro-life politicians tend to be in the Republican Party.

“To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant”.

~ Cardinal John Henry Newman
Famous 19th Century convert from Protestantism


85 posted on 02/19/2012 9:11:04 PM PST by NKP_Vet (creep.)
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To: Mike Darancette

What is ironic is that to tell people they are judgmental IS to judge them.

What people are doing is recommending for us not to judge by the word of God,... but dispense with any discernment, just like they do it.... Some even threaten and curse those who test because they cannot deal with the Scriptural proof presented to them. ....The facts more often than not are; those who say not to judge are incredibly more judgmental then those they accuse of judging.

So many have been indoctrinated into the constraint of don’t say anything against another no matter how far off they are. Let God will deal with them. If this were true, then why are we given all the commands in Scripture to judge? Why all the warnings that deception and falsehood will permeate the Church in the end and we are to be on guard? We are told to deal with it and not allow it to continue.

Jesus commended those who judged to arrive at the truth, “I know that you cannot tolerate wicked men, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false” (Revelation 2:2). All the apostles approved judging those who claimed leadership positions.

Let Us Reason Ministries


86 posted on 02/19/2012 9:13:22 PM PST by caww
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To: muawiyah
Obama's own church (Trinity) Church of Christ ...

I believe that President Hussein's former church (Jeremiah Wright's) was a United Church of Christ. not a Church of Christ.  The UCC is quite different from the Churches of Christ.

87 posted on 02/19/2012 9:17:13 PM PST by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: NKP_Vet
Very few REAL Catholics (ones that regularly attend Mass, and actually know something about their faith), vote democrat. Most vote for pro-life candidates and most pro-life politicians tend to be in the Republican Party.

Yep, and no actual Protestants, you know the kind, the Bible-believing, born-again kind, support homosexuality, abortion, or vote for Democrats who do.

I was just responding in an absurd fashion to the absurd post up-thread that generalized about Protestants.
88 posted on 02/19/2012 9:23:16 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: Last Dakotan
Maybe not with the Presidential race, but the conservative Protestants I speak with admire the stand the Catholic Church has taken in the culture wars as their own churches have been either silenced or co-oped-ed.

And yet there are many, many Protestant churches that have not succombed to the evilness of the day and still rebuke/speak out against both Homosexuality and Abortion.

In fact, all of the conservative Protestant Christians that I know and/or I fellowship with are adamant in their positions against these sins.
89 posted on 02/19/2012 9:30:20 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: NKP_Vet; caww
I have heard the claim, but seen nothing much different from the below:


90 posted on 02/19/2012 10:04:37 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust in the Lord Jesus to save you as a damned+morally destitute sinner ,+ be forgiven+live)
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To: daniel1212

Thanks Daniel...great post to save!


91 posted on 02/19/2012 10:09:47 PM PST by caww
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To: caww

I actually do not know much about Santorum, but am seeing more.

In principle i am not against a person bringing their beliefs into the fray, but one needs to do more than simply state what their church believes, but they need to contrast Bible-based morality with the ethos of the liberals. And make a case for why the principles of the precepts of the Bible are superior to the ever morphing morality of the latter. I’ll give them some help: http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/RevealingStatistics.html


92 posted on 02/19/2012 10:11:11 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust in the Lord Jesus to save you as a damned+morally destitute sinner ,+ be forgiven+live)
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To: Mike Darancette; caww

Context. “Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus: That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. “ (Romans 15:5-6)

Rather than a body without bones (doctrine), which accepts fellowships with whoever claims to be a brother - though initially this may be expected to a degree - the context of real fellowship is according to the doctrine of Godliness. Which actually requires disfellowshipping impenitent and practitioners of known willful sin.

“But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. “ (1 Corinthians 5:11) ,

As well as heretical deviations.

“Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. “ (Romans 16:17)


93 posted on 02/19/2012 10:22:01 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust in the Lord Jesus to save you as a damned+morally destitute sinner ,+ be forgiven+live)
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill

Well, the Republican Establishment certainly wants one, although they would settle for Jeb Bush, whose family is very WASPish.


94 posted on 02/19/2012 10:35:49 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: caww

Reagan was an evangelical who knew how to talk to Catholics, because his father and brother were Catholics. Santorum is what is sometimes called an evangelical Catholics, in part because he has been influenced by evangelical converts to Catholicism, such as Scott Hahn, who are very heavy int the Scriptures. But also by the pope. Read the pope’s “Jesus of Nazareth,” in two volumes so far, and it is one long meditation on Christ as seen in the Gospels. Once upon a time, the Church really did not trust lay Catholics to read the Bible. but that began to change under Pius XII in 1942. In my first Bible, that pope provided for a plenary indulgence for reading the Bible fifteen minutes a day.


95 posted on 02/19/2012 10:46:29 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Williams
Doesn’t annoy me but if the candidate’s religion is going to be the deciding issue

How about Islam, you ok with that? If you are you are an idiot.

96 posted on 02/19/2012 11:19:01 PM PST by itsahoot (I will Vote for Palin, even if I have to write her in.(Brokered Convention Ya betcha))
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To: Mike Darancette

Your reference is to that who ARE Christians not to those who lay claim to being a Christian....even in Chrit’s day there were those who used Chrit’s name and yet were not of them..so you’ve taken that scripture out of context...read further back and get a grasp of the context....and who Jesus was speaking to.


97 posted on 02/20/2012 12:42:12 AM PST by caww
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill

Conclusion of the majority: Tolerable if Christian in general, but a Muslim candidate is a different story.


98 posted on 02/20/2012 2:18:16 AM PST by Wiz
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To: chris37

He has also exposed, to anyone looking, exactly how insane the left is in this country! It matters little, the stupid don’t know they are stupid and the insane don’t know they are insane.


99 posted on 02/20/2012 5:43:13 AM PST by RipSawyer
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He has also exposed, to anyone looking, exactly how insane the left is in this country! It matters little, the stupid don’t know they are stupid and the insane don’t know they are insane.


100 posted on 02/20/2012 5:43:40 AM PST by RipSawyer
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