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Turkey and China 'helping Iran evade UN sanctions'
The Telegraph ^ | 2/19/2012 | Con Coughlin

Posted on 02/19/2012 10:42:29 PM PST by U-238

In an attempt to escape the effects of the wide-ranging sanctions imposed over Iran's illegal nuclear programme, Iran's central bank is using a number of financial institutions in China and Turkey to fund the purchase of vital goods to keep the Iranian economy afloat.

According to Western security officials China, which is Iran's largest oil trading partner, is playing a major role in helping Iran to avoid the sanctions.

Instead of transferring payments to Iran owed from oil purchases, Chinese banks are using the money to buy goods on behalf of the Iranians and then shipping them to Iran.

"It is like an old-fashioned barter mechanism," explained a senior security official. "The money Iran earns from oil sales goes into banks in China and is then used for Iranian purchases of other goods and materials. It is a very good way of getting round the sanctions." Security officials have also identified a number of financial institutions in Turkey that are helping Iran to evade sanctions.

Turkey, which maintains good diplomatic relations with Tehran, is particularly useful to Tehran because of its close trading ties with Europe.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: china; iran; sanctions; turkey

1 posted on 02/19/2012 10:42:36 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

Ain’t a multipolar world grand . . . ? Once things really get out of control, they’ll be wishing that they kept Pax Americana around.


2 posted on 02/19/2012 10:45:24 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: U-238; All


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3 posted on 02/19/2012 10:54:40 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Olog-hai

It also proves that sanctions are not working. There is nothing between the words and military action if you want to bring pressure upon a government


4 posted on 02/19/2012 10:58:51 PM PST by U-238
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To: Olog-hai; U-238; no-to-illegals; FARS; All

Well, this will certainly improved Turkey’s chances of becoming part of NATO. ;-(


5 posted on 02/19/2012 11:22:38 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: U-238

Surprised?


6 posted on 02/19/2012 11:28:33 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eleutheria5

Not Really. Turkey and China in 2010 participated in the Anatolian Eagle war game exercise.US officials worried that the exercise would allow the Chinese access to Western technology and an understanding of NATO tactics.


7 posted on 02/19/2012 11:39:21 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

Russia is also involved in schemes like this.


8 posted on 02/19/2012 11:47:22 PM PST by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: Thunder90

Most Definitely


9 posted on 02/19/2012 11:48:26 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

Well, it did.


10 posted on 02/19/2012 11:53:24 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Olog-hai

“multipolar” Is that like bi-polar, only worse?


11 posted on 02/19/2012 11:55:13 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eleutheria5

I’m shocked! Just shocked! Ok, just name ONE example of sanctions bringing some regime to collapse... Their ain’t none! Sanctions will always be undermined by nations like Russia, China, & the EU in general. They simply do NOT work & are completely ineffective. Just picture this one: the US & the UK use sanctions against Nazi Germany’s invasion of Poland. The UN uses sanctions against North Korea invading South Korea. The world uses sanctions to stop Russian’s invasion of Georgia. Economic sanctions are simply a crock. There is ALWAYS a way to get around them.


12 posted on 02/20/2012 1:13:42 AM PST by Bulgaricus1 (Fill your hand you son...)
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To: Bulgaricus1

Same thing with arms blockades. Sure worked in the Spanish Civil War, and in Israel from 1948 to 1956—NOT! Let’s not forget the great success of sanctions in Iraq from 1991 to 2003 (stop laughing).


13 posted on 02/20/2012 1:21:59 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: U-238

What could make TURKEY more part of the EU
or NATO than helping Iran ... against both.


14 posted on 02/20/2012 4:11:11 AM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Diogenesis

Turkey already is part of NATO, and already blew its chance to become part of the EU, in part because of its new found affinity for Islamic extremism. If anything, they should kick Turkey out of NATO and let it stew in its own juices, instead of giving it access to information that it’s providing to Iran.


15 posted on 02/20/2012 4:53:55 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Eleutheria5

I am actually happy Iran and China are working together. This way Iran is forced to keep the Straight of Hormuz open. Closing it would be the last thing China wants to happen.

Now this would be a good opportunity for Israel to put a bit of pressure on Iran. Tell them in the UN that any attack on Israel will prompt an immediate closing of the Straight.

Of course Obama already looked at that contingency and offered China a port in Canada so they could get oil from the tar sands. Only at the cost of shutting down Keystone.


16 posted on 02/20/2012 6:06:32 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Most Conservative in the Primary, the Republican Nominee in the General.)
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To: Eleutheria5

I am actually happy Iran and China are working together. This way Iran is forced to keep the Straight of Hormuz open. Closing it would be the last thing China wants to happen.

Now this would be a good opportunity for Israel to put a bit of pressure on Iran. Tell them in the UN that any attack on Israel will prompt an immediate closing of the Straight.

Of course Obama already looked at that contingency and offered China a port in Canada so they could get oil from the tar sands. Only at the cost of shutting down Keystone.


17 posted on 02/20/2012 6:43:17 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Most Conservative in the Primary, the Republican Nominee in the General.)
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To: U-238

Well of course they are. Russia, China and North Korea are doing their best to facilitate war in the Middle East. I don’t care what they say or how well meaning they claim to be, those three countries have nothing but ill intentions in mind for the Middle East. They are the new “Axis of Evil.”


18 posted on 02/20/2012 6:50:11 AM PST by ducttape45
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To: Eleutheria5

since the rationale for Turkey in NATO seems to have
dissapeared with the Soviet Union, maybe its time
to abolish NATO and pull our people and planes out
of there.. Why do we still have bases at Adana and Incirlik?


19 posted on 02/20/2012 12:02:22 PM PST by RitchieAprile
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To: U-238

Iran stops oil sales to British and French firms (Islamic domination)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2848729/posts


20 posted on 02/20/2012 12:08:42 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: U-238

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Here’s what I wrote on the subject of Iran, Iraq & Afghanistan a while back.

To: NormsRevenge
We SHOULD withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran.

Here’s how I think we should “pull out of Iraq.” Add one more front to the scenario below, which would be a classic amphibious beach landing from the south in Iran, and it becomes a “strategic withdrawal” from Iraq. And I think the guy who would pull it off is Duncan Hunter.

How to Stand Up to Iran

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1...osts?page=36#36
Posted by Kevmo to TomasUSMC
On News/Activism 03/28/2007 7:11:08 PM PDT • 36 of 36

Split Iraq up and get out
***The bold military move would be to mobilize FROM Iraq into Iran through Kurdistan and then sweep downward, meeting up with the forces that we pull FROM Afghanistan in a 2-pronged offensive. We would be destroying nuke facilities and building concrete fences along geo-political lines, separating warring tribes physically. At the end, we take our boys into Kurdistan, set up a couple of big military bases and stay awhile. We could invite the French, Swiss, Italians, Mozambiqans, Argentinians, Koreans, whoever is willing to be the police forces for the regions that we move through, and if the area gets too hot for these peacekeeper weenies we send in military units. Basically, it would be learning the lesson of Iraq and applying it.

15 rules for understanding the Middle East
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1774248/posts

Rule 8: Civil wars in the Arab world are rarely about ideas — like liberalism vs. communism. They are about which tribe gets to rule. So, yes, Iraq is having a civil war as we once did. But there is no Abe Lincoln in this war. It’s the South vs. the South.

Rule 10: Mideast civil wars end in one of three ways: a) like the U.S. civil war, with one side vanquishing the other; like the Cyprus civil war, with a hard partition and a wall dividing the parties; or c) like the Lebanon civil war, with a soft partition under an iron fist (Syria) that keeps everyone in line. Saddam used to be the iron fist in Iraq. Now it is us. If we don’t want to play that role, Iraq’s civil war will end with A or B.

Let’s say my scenario above is what happens. Would that military mobilization qualify as a “withdrawal” from Iraq as well as Afghanistan? Then, when we’re all done and we set up bases in Kurdistan, it wouldn’t really be Iraq, would it? It would be Kurdistan.

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I have posted in the past that I think the key to the strategy in the middle east is to start with an independent Kurdistan. If we engaged Iran in such a manner we might earn back the support of these windvane politicians and wussie voters who don’t mind seeing a quick & victorious fight but hate seeing endless police action battles that don’t secure a country.

I thought it would be cool for us to set up security for the Kurds on their southern border with Iraq, rewarding them for their bravery in defying Saddam Hussein. We put in some military bases there for, say, 20 years as part of the occupation of Iraq in their transition to democracy. We guarantee the autonomy of Iraqi Kurdistan as long as they don’t engage with Turkey. But that doesn’t say anything about engaging with Iranian Kurdistan. Within those 20 years the Kurds could have a secure and independent nation with expanding borders into Iran. After we close down the US bases, Kurdistan is on her own. But at least Kurdistan would be an independent nation with about half its territory carved out of Persia. If Turkey doesn’t relinquish her claim on Turkish Kurdistan after that, it isn’t our problem, it’s 2 of our allies fighting each other, one for independence and the other for regional primacy. I support democratic independence over a bullying arrogant minority.

The kurds are the closest thing we have to friends in that area. They fought against Saddam (got nerve-gassed), they’re fighting against Iran, they squabble with our so-called ally Turkey (who didn’t allow Americans to operate in the north of Iraq this time around).

It’s time for them to have their own country. They deserve it. They carve Kurdistan out of northern Iraq, northern Iran, and try to achieve some kind of autonomy in eastern Turkey. If Turkey gets angry, we let them know that there are consequences to turning your back on your “friend” when they need you. If the Turks want trouble, they can invade the Iraqi or Persian state of Kurdistan and kill americans to make their point. It wouldn’t be a wise move for them, they’d get their backsides handed to them and have eastern Turkey carved out of their country as a result.

If such an act of betrayal to an ally means they get a thorn in their side, I would be happy with it. It’s time for people who call themselves our allies to put up or shut up. The Kurds have been putting up and deserve to be rewarded with an autonomous and sovereign Kurdistan, borne out of the blood of their own patriots.

Should Turkey decide to make trouble with their Kurdish population, we would stay out of it, other than to guarantee sovereignty in the formerly Iranian and Iraqi portions of Kurdistan. When one of our allies wants to fight another of our allies, it’s a messy situation. If Turkey goes “into the war on Iran’s side” then they ain’t really our allies and that’s the end of that.

I agree that it’s hard on troops and their families. We won the war 4 years ago. This aftermath is the nation builders and peacekeeper weenies realizing that they need to understand things like the “15 rules for understanding the Middle East”

This was the strategic error that GWB committed. It was another brilliant military campaign but the followup should have been 4X as big. All those countries that don’t agree with sending troups to fight a war should have been willing to send in policemen and nurses to set up infrastructure and repair the country.

What do you think we should do with Iraq?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1752311/posts

Posted by Kevmo to Blue Scourge
On News/Activism 12/12/2006 9:17:33 AM PST • 23 of 105

My original contention was that we should have approached the reluctant “allies” like the French to send in Police forces for the occupation after battle, since they were so unwilling to engage in the fighting. It was easy to see that we’d need as many folks in police and nurse’s uniforms as we would in US Army unitorms in order to establish a democracy in the middle east. But, since we didn’t follow that line of approach, we now have a civil war on our hands. If we were to set our sights again on the police/nurse approach, we might still be able to pull this one off. I think we won the war in Iraq; we just haven’t won the peace.

I also think we should simply divide the country. The Kurds deserve their own country, they’ve proven to be good allies. We could work with them to carve out a section of Iraq, set their sights on carving some territory out of Iran, and then when they’re done with that, we can help “negotiate” with our other “allies”, the Turks, to secure Kurdish autonomy in what presently eastern Turkey.

That leaves the Sunnis and Shiites to divide up what’s left. We would occupy the areas between the two warring factions. Also, the UN/US should occupy the oil-producing regions and parcel out the revenue according to whatever plan they come up with. That gives all the sides something to argue about rather than shooting at us.

38 posted on Thursday, July 12, 2007 3:55:19 PM by Kevmo (We need to get away from the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party ~Duncan Hunter)

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21 posted on 02/20/2012 12:13:16 PM PST by Kevmo (If you can define a man by the depravity of his enemies, Rick Santorum must be a noble soul indeed.)
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To: U-238

China needs oil for the ongoing manufacturing increases and exports to countries other than our USA and the EU along with more oil for the millions of new drivers there. So do India and other once “developing” nations. So as long as you get more toys and debt to buy them with from those places, your fuel with go up. Hope the citizens of the world are enjoying their globalism.


22 posted on 02/20/2012 12:21:59 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: RitchieAprile

To abolish an alliance that might have some use in a new strategic reality is foolish. NATO might defend Europe from Islamofascism from outside of Europe, although the member nations have their own problem with internal Islamofascists. But at the very least, they should not have in their numbers a state itself affiliated with the Islamofascist block, in their confidence and privy to their secrets. How do you have Turkey participating in military exercises in which its loyalties would be with those exercised against? Better to face the reality that they are now an enemy.


23 posted on 02/20/2012 12:22:17 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: familyop
金钱万能,但废话行走。
24 posted on 02/20/2012 2:39:10 PM PST by RitchieAprile
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To: Eleutheria5

“multipolar, is that like bipolar only worse?”

Yeah it’s like a bipolar sociopathic Schizophrenic with an AA-12.


25 posted on 02/20/2012 3:40:39 PM PST by I Hate Obama ("Sorry I had a fight in the middle of your Black Panther Party." -Forest Gump)
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