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Coal the true climate change bad guy, analysis shows
theglobeandmail.com ^ | 19 Feb 2012 | Bob Weber

Posted on 02/19/2012 11:30:42 PM PST by smokingfrog

One of the world’s top climate scientists has calculated that emissions from Alberta’s oil sands are unlikely to make a big difference to global warming and that the real threat to the planet comes from burning coal.

“I was surprised by the results of our analysis,” said Andrew Weaver, a University of Victoria climate modeller, who has been a lead author on two reports from the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. “I thought it was larger than it was.”

In a commentary published Sunday in the prestigious journal Nature, Weaver and colleague Neil Stewart analyze how burning all global stocks of coal, oil and natural gas would affect temperatures. Their analysis breaks out unconventional gas, such as undersea methane hydrates and shale gas produced by fracking, as well as unconventional oil sources including the oil sands.

They found that if all the hydrocarbons in the oil sands were mined and consumed, the carbon dioxide released would raise global temperatures by about .36 degrees C. That’s about half the total amount of warming over the last century.

When only commercially viable oil sands deposits are considered, the temperature increase is only .03 degrees C.

In contrast, the paper concludes that burning all the globe’s vast coal deposits would create a 15-degree increase in temperature. Burning all the abundant natural gas would warm the planet by more than three degrees.

Governments around the world have agreed to try to keep warming to two degrees.

(Excerpt) Read more at theglobeandmail.com ...


TOPICS: Canada; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bs; energy; globullwarming

1 posted on 02/19/2012 11:30:49 PM PST by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

You just can’t make this stuff up...oh, wait.


2 posted on 02/19/2012 11:35:09 PM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it's the new black. Mmm mmm mmm...)
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3 posted on 02/19/2012 11:41:21 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: ReneeLynn
"You just can’t make this stuff up...oh, wait."

(That was REALLY good!!!)

4 posted on 02/19/2012 11:45:59 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: smokingfrog

This is comical. A Canadian university “discovers”that the *canadian* tar sands really are no big problem.
Global warming research keeps demonstrating its intrinsic corruption.


5 posted on 02/20/2012 12:02:41 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: smokingfrog

Stupid me. I thought that it was Solar activity and Earth’s rotational axis angle thereto that was primarily responsible for climate change. I’m glad that these great scientists have corrected that silly notion.


6 posted on 02/20/2012 12:07:13 AM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: smokingfrog

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/02/santorum-i-never-believed-global-warming-hoax-113739.html

Santorum: I never believed global warming 'hoax'

Rick Santorum told Colorado Springs supporters Tuesday that Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich would be ineffective challengers to President Barack Obama in the general election because of their views on cap and trade.

"Let's go to cap and trade. Governor Romney proudly announced that they were the first state, Massachusetts, to put a cap on CO2 emissions in the state of Massachusetts," Santorum told more than 100 supporters here.

Santorum also dinged Gingrich for filming a climate change ad with Nancy Pelosi, something Gingrich - as recently as yesterday - has admitted was a mistake. Both Gingrich and Santorum appeared at a Colorado energy conference on Monday.

"Speaker Gingrich has supported cap and trade for more than a dozen years. Now, he wants business incentives to go along with cap and trade, but he supported cap and trade, and sat on the couch with Nancy Pelosi and said that global warming had to be addressed by Congress," Santorum said. "Who is he or who's Governor Romney to be able to go after President Obama? I've never supported even the hoax of global warming."

Romney and Gingrich, Santorum said, "bought into the science of man-made global warming, and they bought into the remedy, both of which are bogus."

 

7 posted on 02/20/2012 12:18:05 AM PST by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: smokingfrog; marvlus; ApplegateRanch; Berlin_Freeper; Genesis defender; golux; proud_yank; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

8 posted on 02/20/2012 12:24:27 AM PST by steelyourfaith (Expel the Occupy White House squatters !!!)
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To: smokingfrog

What? Another IPCC ahole with his “models”? Damned. I thought PT Barnum was dead, but I guess when you can get government grants, you can lie through your teeth, fudge the data or create it, smear your colleagues who disagree with you/your methods, and still come out rich.

Nature has become a mouthpiece for poor science and leftist myths, just as Science did a long time ago. I’m glad I left science when I did. I knew that some of my professors and fellow students were crazy, but this proves it.


9 posted on 02/20/2012 1:10:03 AM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Even if CO2 DID affect our climate, which I don’t think it does - well at least not the “manmade” amounts, the out-of-control coal seam fires in China (due to their poor safety and environmental controls) put out more CO2 in a year than all the cars and trucks in America do!


10 posted on 02/20/2012 1:17:30 AM PST by 21twelve
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To: smokingfrog
"...said Andrew Weaver, a University of Victoria climate modeller, who has been a lead author on two reports from the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change...

Automatically disqualified any further reading for me.

11 posted on 02/20/2012 3:11:30 AM PST by rlmorel ("A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." Winston Churchill)
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To: smokingfrog

The United States is the Saudi Arabia of coal.
We have more coal than anyone and the rest of the world uses coal.
Soooo as a way to help destroy and de feet America, obammy tries to take down our coal industry.
Course the dumb asses in W. Virginia and Pennsylvania voted for this marxist ass clown so they get what they voted for.
And W. Va has NO other industry besides coal.


12 posted on 02/20/2012 3:30:58 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: smokingfrog

Governments around the world have agreed to try to keep warming to two degrees.

Thank god, oh thank you government for looking out for us


13 posted on 02/20/2012 4:11:44 AM PST by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: Joe Boucher
"The United States is the Saudi Arabia of coal. We have more coal than anyone and the rest of the world uses coal."

I think proven reserves show that the USA is also the "Saudi Arabia" of "unconventional" oil and natural gas.

Up until the presidency of the second worst president in US history, the USA was well on the way to converting from coal to natural gas. But James Earl got government to stifle the effort because we were "running out of natural gas". THAT situation has now reversed, given horizontal drilling.

Nat gas is simply a superior fuel (AND chemical feedstock). Coal is simply dirty, difficult to extract, and difficult to use compared to NG.

14 posted on 02/20/2012 5:21:22 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: smokingfrog

Follow the grant money


15 posted on 02/20/2012 5:26:44 AM PST by reaganator
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To: smokingfrog

Now that the National Socialist Democrat Party has pretty much killed petroleum jobs they are coming after your jobs you coal miners. Aren’t you glad you voted democrat?


16 posted on 02/20/2012 5:31:13 AM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: smokingfrog

He seems to be saying that coal is the CO2 bad guy since there is a lot of it. If oil from Canadian deposits were the most abundant, then IT would be the bad guy.


17 posted on 02/20/2012 5:35:20 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: smokingfrog
Ouch, what a retarded article (but thanks for posting it Smokingfrog).

Doubling the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere would increase global temperatures by 0.5 degrees C.

Doubling the amount of CO2 AGAIN would increase global temperatures by another ... 0.5 degrees C.

The IPCC warming models (that predict a much higher response to CO2 changes) rely on the infamous 'hotspot' model of the troposphere. Their models absolutely rely upon the formation of this hotspot. However this predicted hotspot *cannot be detected* by radiosonde thermometers.

The IPCC's whole model (and articles which presume its validity like this one) has been experimentally disproven. They have no scientific basis.

18 posted on 02/20/2012 5:45:36 AM PST by agere_contra ("Debt is the foundation of destruction" : Sarah Palin.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

All true, but the EPA is closing our coal plants without replacing their output
If you look at china and India they are building new coal plants
Natural gas is better but Not having cheap energy spells doom


19 posted on 02/20/2012 5:49:11 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: smokingfrog
Even Alexander Cockburn, as militant a hard-leftist as you're going to find, points out that atmospheric CO2 content is independent of human use of fossil fuels:

Is Global Warming a Sin?

20 posted on 02/20/2012 6:16:25 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Joe Boucher
Course the dumb asses in W. Virginia and Pennsylvania voted for this marxist ass clown so they get what they voted for.
And W. Va has NO other industry besides coal.

Sorry to burst yer bubble Joe, but WV did NOT vote for Zer0.

21 posted on 02/20/2012 10:14:48 AM PST by Roccus
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To: Joe Boucher
All true, but the EPA is closing our coal plants without replacing their output.

Natural Gas electrical generation has been growing and I believe you will see continued growth in this area.

http://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/excel/epmxlfile1_1.xls

http://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/monthly/pdf/sec7_4.pdf


22 posted on 02/20/2012 10:15:23 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Roccus

Correct Roccus,
But they did vote for Manchin who is an obammy butt boy regardless of how he packages himself. And Rockafeller who is just freaken insane. Both beyond stupid.
And my bubble is just fine thanks


23 posted on 02/20/2012 12:31:22 PM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: thackney

thackney,
You’ve been in third world countries and know that coal is the peoples fuel and heat there.
And yes,
You are absolutely correct in that natural gas is going to continue to grow as an energy source.
But until we’ve gotten over this DEPRESSIoN it is not wise to shut down America’s coal industry.
That includes power plants, barge traffic, mines and the associated mom and pop services that provide for these places.
And for what, to appease the EPA?


24 posted on 02/20/2012 12:38:59 PM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: Joe Boucher
As far as I am concerned, economy issues or not, it is always dumb to shut down our coal plants. That resource is too massive and too expensive to use for transportation fuel(through coal-to-liquid conversions).

I only meant to explain there is some additional power projects that are coming only line that are more dependable and affordable than solar and wind junk.

25 posted on 02/20/2012 12:47:28 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

If they can’t make solar work in a financially feasable way in Nevada then it ain’t gonna work in North Dakota.
Now I admit I’m not the smartest guy out there but even i understand that.


26 posted on 02/20/2012 1:08:29 PM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: Joe Boucher

And how long would it take to mine all that coal, anyway? A hundred years or more?


27 posted on 02/20/2012 2:14:23 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

Coal in W.Va. is easily taken if the EPA gets out of the picture and they simply top mountains.
Course the epa won’t let that happen.
You EVER driven around S.W. West Virginia? There is coal or nothing.


28 posted on 02/20/2012 3:16:30 PM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: smokingfrog
“I was surprised by the results of our analysis,” said Andrew Weaver, a University of Victoria climate modeller, who has been a lead author on two reports from the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

I stopped reading right there.
Climate modeling is way too susceptible to fraud, as we've discovered in the last four years.

GIGO still rules.

29 posted on 02/20/2012 5:59:10 PM PST by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: Joe Boucher
Rockefeller and Manchin are the result of an underground, ineffectual and corrupt GOP here in WV (see the ‘08 Super Tuesday WV GOP Presidential Convention). Were it not for Raese’s personal fortune, the GOP would have run some nobody in ‘10 and lost by an even greater margin. This is a state that has voted Republican in the last three Presidential elections, prolly will again this year, and yet in that time the GOP managed to acquire only ONE state-wide seat for ONE term. In the last Congressional election, the GOP even ran a life-long RAT against Rahall (and still lost). The ONLY reason McKinley won WV 1 was because Mollohan retired. Moore-Capito is a legacy and in bed with the Rats.

Unless and until the RNC whips the WV GOP into shape, the WV Republicans will be more than happy to remain back-benchers selling their votes to the Rats for whatever crumbs are thrown their way.

30 posted on 02/21/2012 6:55:21 AM PST by Roccus
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To: Joe Boucher
We have more coal than anyone and the rest of the world uses coal.

Didn't Clinton put off-limits the second largest clean-burning coal deposit in the world -- made the area a National Park or something. I disremember (sorry -- I'm reading a Maggody book!) the details, but the area is somewhere in the Northwest. And Clinton did it (apparently) as a favor to his Indonesian buddies, who have the largest deposit of clean-burning coal in the world.

31 posted on 02/21/2012 7:02:24 AM PST by maryz
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