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For Women Under 30, Most Births Occur Outside Marriage
NYT ^ | 2-17-12 | JASON DePARLE and SABRINA TAVERNISE

Posted on 02/20/2012 8:04:28 AM PST by bigbob

It used to be called illegitimacy. Now it is the new normal. After steadily rising for five decades, the share of children born to unmarried women has crossed a threshold: more than half of births to American women under 30 occur outside marriage.

Once largely limited to poor women and minorities, motherhood without marriage has settled deeply into middle America. The fastest growth in the last two decades has occurred among white women in their 20s who have some college education but no four-year degree, according to Child Trends, a Washington research group that analyzed government data.

Among mothers of all ages, a majority — 59 percent in 2009 — are married when they have children. But the surge of births outside marriage among younger women — nearly two-thirds of children in the United States are born to mothers under 30 — is both a symbol of the transforming family and a hint of coming generational change.

One group still largely resists the trend: college graduates, who overwhelmingly marry before having children. That is turning family structure into a new class divide, with the economic and social rewards of marriage increasingly reserved for people with the most education.

“Marriage has become a luxury good,” said Frank Furstenberg, a sociologist at the University of Pennsylvania.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; births; contraceptionmandate; illegitimacy; marriage; moralabsolutes; prolife; traditionalvalues; trends; under30
Does this trend represent a new tipping point?
1 posted on 02/20/2012 8:04:38 AM PST by bigbob
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To: bigbob

Just think of all the lesbos having children. We are in the hand basket....towards hell.


2 posted on 02/20/2012 8:10:33 AM PST by NoGrayZone (Jim "Firebrand" Robinson endorses Newt...with EPIC call to action!!)
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To: bigbob
From what I've seen, this is epidemic among the 20 somethings. Out of wedlock pregancies are even celebrated.

This current culture is sick, sick, sick.

3 posted on 02/20/2012 8:13:23 AM PST by Marathoner (In the 80s we had Reagan, Johnny Cash and Bob Hope. Now we have Obama, no cash and no hope.)
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To: bigbob

[Does this trend represent a new tipping point?]
We are hitting a bunch of tipping points, this is just one ofthem.

I think you have just given me the title for a new book.


4 posted on 02/20/2012 8:14:24 AM PST by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: bigbob

This is the end result of the whole “sexual revolution” of the ‘60s and ‘70s.

So we have normalized illegitimacy, and the whole host of problems spawed by that.

I have heard of studies, which don’t get much press, that children raised in intact, married couple households, have the best outcomes, in terms of education, staying out of trouble with the law, and the whole area of becoming well adjusted responsible adults.

Those same surpressed studies indicate that children raised in single parent homes are much more prone to the whole range of social pathologies, such as drug use, teen pregnancy, dropping out of school, and getting in trouble with the law.

I say those studies are surpressed because, as society has become more liberal, we’re not supposed to talk about the difficulties involved with children raised outside of traditional families. Per liberal ideology, that would be passing judgement on that situation, and liberalism calls on us to be non-judgemental of situations such as illegitimacy.

I didn’t read this whole article, but, is there anything in there that talks about the difficulties of raising children outside traditional families, or does the article take a non-judgemental approach? I would bet on the latter.


5 posted on 02/20/2012 8:15:39 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: bigbob

I’ve been noticing this trend for the past decade or more. This is happening in middle class America, not just in the inner cities or in lower income families.

Have the baby, then think about marrying the baby daddy later. No one seems to have a problem with this anymore...sigh


6 posted on 02/20/2012 8:17:52 AM PST by alice_in_bubbaland ( Santorum/Palin 2012, the rest are sub par...)
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To: Marathoner
It is what it is. That's profound, I know. And where is dad in all this mess?

I've met some kids, disoriented teens mostly, who like black tshirts and have a penchant for cutting themselves, who are resentful that their parents are still married because that puts them in the oddball category at school. They just want to fit in. We cannot imagine the implications of this 'generational change'.

One thing this means is that the majority of children being born will know no way of life other than depending on the government. They will have no idea of family loyalty; instead their allegiance will be to the state-hand that feeds them. I hope our hatches are well battened because it is going to get really ugly.
7 posted on 02/20/2012 8:20:31 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: AD from SpringBay
One thing this means is that the majority of children being born will know no way of life other than depending on the government.

Mission accomplished.

8 posted on 02/20/2012 8:24:06 AM PST by 6SJ7 (Meh.)
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To: bigbob
"Others noted that if they married, their official household income would rise, which could cost them government benefits like food stamps and child care. "

So there we have it! If ever a 'Government Study' was needed, this should be the subject matter. In the meantime, voluntary single parenthood should be discouraged by whatever means available. This is a result of the Leftist trait of being 'non-judgemental.' The h*!! with that, let's be judgemental and try and put society back on track again.

9 posted on 02/20/2012 8:25:06 AM PST by I am Richard Brandon
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To: bigbob

The convoluted thinking in that article gave me a migraine


10 posted on 02/20/2012 8:27:30 AM PST by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: bigbob
This trend has been going on for a while. The biggest factors are a change in values and a decline in spiritual faith among the young.

It used to be that men felt a responsibility to support, care for and teach values to their children. This is no longer true among young people. The second was marriage was a sacrament and the vow “for better or worse till death do you part” was taken seriously. No marriages were perfect, but both partners put in the effort to make them work. People did without, families scrimped and saved and children all helped around the house.

Today young people have been poisoned with victim mentality and entitlement mentality. They don't want to make a commitment to anything. Government handouts encourage single women to sponge off the taxpayers. The popular culture poisons them with the message of self-gratification and using other people. Divorce is so common and so unfair to men that most men don't want to be providers anymore.

The marriage rate for college graduates has also gone down. People with traditional values are becoming a smaller percentage of young people.

This trend continues to accelerate.

11 posted on 02/20/2012 8:33:53 AM PST by detective
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To: I am Richard Brandon

You hit the nail on the head.

We’re supposed to be liberal and non-judgemental about this situation.

We are in a far different world now than the old days. I know that there were some difficulties in the old days, in which some young people were compelled by social pressures that they “had to get married” if the girl was pregnant.

But my answer to that is: is our current way of dealing with this issue really an improvement??????


12 posted on 02/20/2012 8:34:38 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: bigbob

The interesting question is: How many of those unwed mothers are on welfare? Wrong incentives, again?


13 posted on 02/20/2012 8:38:44 AM PST by cartan
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To: bigbob
Mike Judge saw it coming....we're headed for "Idiocracy"...


14 posted on 02/20/2012 8:40:43 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: bigbob

This is simply the result of sin. Sin is growing more and more because it’s appears to be acceptable. It is not.

I had a child when I was 25 out of wedlock. I knew it was a sin. I asked God for forgiveness. I got married and had my second child when I was 29.

The only thing they will stop this is if Christians share the God grace to everyone everywhere.

We live in a broken world. I pray for us all. Children deserve better then single moms and dads.


15 posted on 02/20/2012 8:42:18 AM PST by Halls (Jesus is my Lord and Savior)
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To: cartan

I think that the way that sex permeates the whole culture is a factor too.

Back in the old days, most people supported the idea that sex outside of marriage was wrong. I know that many people crossed those lines in the old days, but there was still a line to cross.

Nowadays, the whole culture sends the message that sex is okay, with any number of partners, any gender of partners, and that marriage has nothing to do with it.

Sexual expression is taken as some kind of civil right nowadays.

How people think about sex is a factor because of the way the babies are conceived.

What I wonder is, in an era of readily available birth control, why do we still see so many unplanned pregnancies? Or are many of these pregnancies planned outside marriage?

Whatever the case, I’m clealy just not “with it” anymore, as I see what’s happening in the culture.


16 posted on 02/20/2012 8:43:18 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: AD from SpringBay

Where is dad? Well, in the instances where there is even a fait clue as to who he is, he is in another class room.


17 posted on 02/20/2012 8:45:08 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: cartan

I have not heard the term “unwed mothers” in years.

Probably that sort of language is offensive to liberals. The liberal view being, that it suggests that a mother should be married. But that is a value judgement, and we can’t have value judgements in our social policies. (sarcasm)


18 posted on 02/20/2012 8:46:00 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: bigbob

Met a woman about 12-13 years ago who had a cat. As I was sitting there the cat meowed and she smacked it on the head. Not long after that I heard she felt her biological clock was running out so she decided to have a child and become a single mother.


19 posted on 02/20/2012 8:48:20 AM PST by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: bigbob

Hey, no problem, the “state”, i.e. we the taxpayers, will be supporting all these kids.


20 posted on 02/20/2012 8:49:14 AM PST by Signalman
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To: Marathoner

His Excellency’s comment: “I don’t want my girls punished by having a baby”. That is the world turned on its head.

Dear Mr. Excellency, I don’t want society punished by unmarried people having kids and becoming wards of the state and I surely don’t want to pay for it. You need to get your head out of your backside and do something to promote responsiblity. Simply authorizing abortions is not the answer because the alternative is having children whom become dependent on taxpayers. Bad choice either way.


21 posted on 02/20/2012 8:49:36 AM PST by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: Halls

Thank you for sharing your story. In spite of the sin, you were able to turn your life around, with God’s help, and that’s inspiring to hear.

And as you mention, the innocent victims of what parents are doing are their children. If parents took their responsibilities as parents more seriously, the children will be better off for it.


22 posted on 02/20/2012 8:50:21 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Marathoner
Remember when Dan Quayle went after the Murphy Brown tv show? Murphy Brown opened the "unwed mothers" door and made it the new NORM.

Hollywood and other media are the ones to be held accountable for the destruction of America morals, and yet we purchase and view.

We tend to laugh with them, then suddenly one day we say "how did this happen", we didn't mean it too when we laughed. Too late..

23 posted on 02/20/2012 8:52:38 AM PST by annieokie
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To: annieokie
Remember when Dan Quayle went after the Murphy Brown tv show? Murphy Brown opened the "unwed mothers" door and made it the new NORM. And I seem to recall a few years later, that Candice Bergen basically admitted that Dan Quayle was right.
24 posted on 02/20/2012 8:54:06 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Lots of new voters for the socialist successors of Obama


25 posted on 02/20/2012 8:56:44 AM PST by heye2monn
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To: bigbob

So my daughter and her husband married at 19 after being friends since 5th grade. He is a full-time college student and she is a live-out nanny, and they held to traditional values of marriage, not living together, saving intimacy for marriage, etc. You would NOT believe how many people trashed them for not living together and getting married instead. It has been almost a year and some of his immediate family members just told him in the past week that he ruined his life and theirs by choosing to get married...the same family members who have been and are currently in live-in relationships (multiple times!) In these days people are calling right wrong, and wrong right. What a valueless society we are living in!


26 posted on 02/20/2012 8:59:42 AM PST by republicanbred (...and when I die I'll be republican dead.)
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To: DaxtonBrown

Excellent! I trust my shiny new dime will be forthcoming ;-)

But per post #14, I think “Idiocracy” might be a better title for a book!


27 posted on 02/20/2012 9:00:33 AM PST by bigbob
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To: bigbob

this is a trend that cannot endure forever...That is, at least the government cannot afford to support the majority of new children on welfare.

I’m not sure how it will end when the laws of reality can no longer support such an ingrained part of our culture.


28 posted on 02/20/2012 9:01:56 AM PST by MNDude
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To: bigbob

I have noticed this anecdotally watching young mothers in public pushing around their baby strollers. Either no man present or a young punk dressed like an Eminem wannabe.

Truly an End of Civilization moment.


29 posted on 02/20/2012 9:06:00 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: dfwgator

I did not know that Bergan said that, its good, but a day late and a dollar short. Damage done to him and America.


30 posted on 02/20/2012 9:08:15 AM PST by annieokie
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To: bigbob

Charles Murray predicted this almost 20 years ago in his prophetic essay in The Wall Street Journal entitled “The Coming White Underclass”.

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=murray+%22the+coming+white+underclass%22+wall+street+journal&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

The first hit will produce the full text of that article. Sorry, can’t post a direct link.

If this is a subject that matters to you, take a few minutes to read Mr. Murray’s piece....


31 posted on 02/20/2012 9:09:20 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: alice_in_bubbaland

If you remember, during the 90’s it was successful single women wanting to have children.


32 posted on 02/20/2012 9:10:32 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Most Conservative in the Primary, the Republican Nominee in the General.)
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To: bigbob

Out-of-wedlock births, one parent households and walk-away fathers should have been Michelle Obama’s “issue” instead of dictating what every child may or may not eat.

She could have spoken to these problems and encouraged an end to multiple out-of-wedlock births, a return to marriage and two parent homes as no other public figure could, and without being attacked as a racist.

But she chose an easy, simplistic, non-controversial matter as her hallmark issue


33 posted on 02/20/2012 9:17:59 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight he'll just kill you." John Steinbeck)
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To: Buckeye McFrog; Impy; GSP.FAN; fieldmarshaldj
“I have noticed this anecdotally watching young mothers in public pushing around their baby strollers. Either no man present or a young punk dressed like an Eminem wannabe.”

You hit that nail on the head! Personally, I just LOVE the piercings and ultra-trashy tattoos...they just add so much gusto to the scene.

“Truly an End of Civilization moment.”

Perfectly summarized.

34 posted on 02/20/2012 9:19:38 AM PST by GOPsterinMA (Farewell sweet Rick, we barely knew ye...)
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To: dfwgator
re: Mike Judge saw it coming....we're headed for “Idiocracy”...

I don't think we are headed there. We are there. Hardly a week goes by that we don't reference lines from “Idiocracy” in our family discussions.

“Idiocracy” is amazingly social commentary. Look at this past week, with all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over the premature death of Whitney Houston. Yes, she was a gifted singer. Yes, she was beautiful. But she chose to throw it all away. Anyone who didn't see that coming truly is oblivious to reality. But meanwhile, the tributes go on and on. The American flag is at half mast while the American public is continuously treated to a living soap opera with her husband and daughter getting stoned after the funeral. Sales of her recordings go higher and higher. Her memorabilia is snatched up as more and more is produced - further tributes to a modern day heroine who happened to be drug addict.

35 posted on 02/20/2012 9:19:38 AM PST by rusty schucklefurd
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To: bigbob

Have a baby and start collecting as many checks as possible. That is the new norm for a large chunk of America — no matter what race. No thought of marriage. No thought of supporting yourself. I see it all the time in the charity work I do. Girls in their 20s having 1, 2 or 3 kids and knowing right away where to go to collect a check. Then one finds out about a new way to get another goverment subsidy and they all go after it. And these are girls of all races (in fact, most are white). These are girls whose grandparents used to be blue collar workers. Now they are all part of the dependent class. And Obama is spending millions to market food stamps and other government assistance to them.


36 posted on 02/20/2012 9:22:00 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: rusty schucklefurd
“Idiocracy” is amazingly social commentary. Look at this past week, with all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over the premature death of Whitney Houston.

I almost expected the funeral to be sponsored by Carl's Jr.

37 posted on 02/20/2012 9:23:41 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: MNDude

“college graduates, who overwhelmingly marry before having children. That is turning family structure into a new class divide, with the economic and social rewards of marriage increasingly reserved for people with the most education.”

Obama has a new category to tax in his class divide crusade.


38 posted on 02/20/2012 9:26:19 AM PST by WILLIALAL
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To: bigbob; Travis McGee
I own a number of businesses in middle TN. Folks who don't understand should come see how far lower class whites have fallen.

It is astonishing.

Severely overweight women and many fatherless children and thuggish boys who sire them...many black..many white.

In the lower income areas it is the norm not the exception now.

Lower classed whites are now very similar in behavior to black cultural behavior that has destroyed most of their communities.

We deal with them...these kids are the children and grandchildren of the Free Bird generation.

Think the Matthew McConahey character in Dazed and Confused..his kids and grand-kids...

the cultural decline in my part of TN is very very sad

my homestate of MS is not this bad and I did not see this so much in my tour of the Plains and Rocky Mountain west this past summer

but Middle Tennessee now has some extremely trashy white areas...large swaths

and unwed births is the main reason...MTV and hip hop culture as well

military and political battles won...cultural battles lost

39 posted on 02/20/2012 9:42:26 AM PST by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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To: bigbob

We have become a bastard nation.

Barring a miracle, we are doomed.

Caveat: I do believe in miracles.


40 posted on 02/20/2012 9:53:00 AM PST by man_in_tx (Blowback: Faithfully farting towards Mecca five times daily!)
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To: wardaddy

“how far lower class whites have fallen”

This is exactly what big government involvement creates. If you want more of something set up a society that subsidizes what you want. More homes, develop a tax policy that rewards home ownership. Want more babies subsidize having more babies. It works every time. You want less of something tax it or cut off subsidies.


41 posted on 02/20/2012 9:54:18 AM PST by WILLIALAL
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To: bigbob

“It used to be called illegitimacy. Now it is the new normal. After steadily rising for five decades, the share of children born to unmarried women has crossed a threshold: more than half of births to American women under 30 occur outside marriage.”

Communist dreams of the 1950s for America have become reality. The state is replacing the family.


42 posted on 02/20/2012 9:58:49 AM PST by ReformationFan
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To: man_in_tx

I was driving to work the other day and stopped at a red light. There was a sign there that caught my eye. It said: “$4000 tax return - only one child”, then had a phone number.

At first I thought “what a silly sign”..it didn’t make sense to me - seemed to be lacking info. As I kept driving to work I couldn’t help but keep thinking about it - kind of like a riddle. Finally I thought I had it figued out. The stoplight I was at was in a borderline neighborhood (not a place to go for a walk), and the “only one child” likely referred to the tax service being able to get Moms big $$ without their having to have 4 or 5 kids. I think the “out of wedlock” part was inferred.

Times sure have changed from when I was a youngster and an out of wedlock pregnancy was a scandal in our small town.


43 posted on 02/20/2012 10:41:15 AM PST by DJlaysitup
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To: Marathoner

The fact is, liberals hate the idea of marriage, unless it’s between two gay people.

Anything that forwards the trend of destruction of morality or christian faith or of the norms of a conservative society, the liberals are all for it.


44 posted on 02/20/2012 10:53:52 AM PST by Jack Burton007 (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: bigbob

No rend just more people more whores.


45 posted on 02/20/2012 12:14:11 PM PST by Vaduz
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To: dfwgator

re: I almost expected the funeral to be sponsored by Carl’s Jr.

Or at least by GM or Planned Parenthood.


46 posted on 02/20/2012 2:22:02 PM PST by rusty schucklefurd
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To: GOPsterinMA

Old Chinese saying: A man is a like a key and a woman is like a lock. A key that can open any lock is a very good key but a lock that can be opened by any key is a worthless lock.


47 posted on 02/20/2012 5:14:26 PM PST by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Impy

2 for 1 lapdances at Club Fantasies!


48 posted on 02/20/2012 6:28:05 PM PST by GOPsterinMA (Farewell sweet Rick, we barely knew ye...)
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To: dfwgator; rusty schucklefurd

That movie is an unheralded masterpiece.


49 posted on 02/20/2012 6:35:56 PM PST by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Marathoner

My grandmother told me that,in her day,the girl/woman would be “visiting her aunt in Alaska”.


50 posted on 02/21/2012 6:09:15 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Future Meteorologist.)
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