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'Iím a graduate, get me out of here!í
The Telegraph ^ | 13 Jan 2012 | Peter Stanford

Posted on 02/21/2012 3:42:21 AM PST by Cronos

.. Reilly has made headlines because she is mounting a legal challenge to what she says was the “forced labour” of being made to stack shelves for free in the discount retailer, or lose her £53-a-week in dole. “I was told it was mandatory. There were five of us sent there. I was the only graduate. We were doing exactly the same work as the paid staff. It makes no sense. If the Government subsidises high street chains with free labour, they don’t have to recruit. It causes unemployment rather than solves it.”

..Reilly, whose degree was geology...

The problem in Reilly’s case seems to be that, as a graduate, her career expectations were different from many other claimants. But she is not, in reality, so unusual. Of those who graduated at the same time as her, in 2010, half were either jobless six months later, or in menial roles. Another survey reports that 38 per cent of graduates have been on the dole after leaving university.

...Does she regret not tackling something more vocational – law, medicine, engineering – rather than geology?

“I did think about that before I started, but I loved the subject and geology can provide a whole range of careers in civil engineering, mining, oil exploration and property. So it was a practical choice.” But of her cohort, she says, only one – “and he got a first” – has got a job that uses his degree.

...“I don’t regret going to university,” says Holly Jerreat, 22, who graduated last summer with a 2:1 in languages from Bath, “but with hindsight I might have done a more vocational course. I chose languages because it was a subject I loved and found intellectually challenging. But here I am, still looking for work.”

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: uk; welfare
from the article: Does she regret not tackling something more vocational – law, medicine, engineering – rather than geology?.....

“I did think about that before I started, but I loved the subject and geology can provide a whole range of careers in civil engineering, mining, oil exploration and property. So it was a practical choice.” But of her cohort, she says, only one – “and he got a first” – has got a job that uses his degree.

Ok, so the guy who got top ranks got the job, the folks who took vocational studies, got jobs, only if you took a non-vocational major and didn't graduate at the top of your class, you got unemployed. Then, when the govt says "work and get your dole" you crib?

1 posted on 02/21/2012 3:42:23 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos

I hope that she finds a job. I doubt that her marriage prospects are very good.

2 posted on 02/21/2012 3:48:04 AM PST by iowamark (The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, But in ourselves)
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To: Cronos

Granted - a degree in geology limits one’s employment options. OTOH, not a whole bunch of geologists out there either. At the moment I imagine there are a lot more out-of-work civil engineers than out-of-work geologists.

I’m a geophysicist - even more of a niche market!

Maybe she should buy a ticket for North Dakota. If she can stay sober and drug free she could probably move up the ranks fairly quickly.


3 posted on 02/21/2012 3:51:46 AM PST by 21twelve
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To: iowamark

At least she said she thought she could get into oil and mining, and not saving the world through green activism. I hope she finds a job.


4 posted on 02/21/2012 3:52:12 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: iowamark

At least she said she thought she could get into oil and mining, and not saving the world through green activism. I hope she finds a job.


5 posted on 02/21/2012 3:52:36 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: iowamark

At least she said she thought she could get into oil and mining, and not saving the world through green activism. I hope she finds a job.


6 posted on 02/21/2012 3:52:36 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Cronos

Degrees are highly over rated especially with what’s being taught to get one nowadays.


7 posted on 02/21/2012 3:59:20 AM PST by maddog55 (OBAMA: Why stupid people shouldn't vote.)
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To: iowamark

With her attitude, I doubt her job prospects are very good, either. Looks aside, would you want to be married to someone like that?


8 posted on 02/21/2012 4:05:41 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: iowamark
If there isn't any oil drilling going on in West Midlands, has she considered getting her Green Card and moving to North Dakota? Also, her marriage prospects would skyrocket.


9 posted on 02/21/2012 4:06:21 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: iowamark
"I chose languages because it was a subject I loved and found intellectually challenging. But here I am, still looking for work.”

If she had looked over the 'want ads' she probably would have noticed that there aren't too many openings for a "Language Major" nowadays.

Stupid liberal!

(or is that redundant?)

10 posted on 02/21/2012 4:11:27 AM PST by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
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To: iowamark
I doubt that her marriage prospects are very good.

Perhaps another 3 stones would help. Too bad she doesn't work at the English version of Golden Coral.

11 posted on 02/21/2012 4:18:35 AM PST by BRL
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To: Cronos
One most go where the jobs are. Emigrate, my dear. Do it while your young and able. In my travels around the world I encountered Europeans in the most unlikely spots. All of them gainfully employed outside of Europe and choosing to remain that way. Danish construction contractors in Africa. German electricians in Central America. English language teachers and librarians in Sri Lanka. Every time I met one and said something like, “My gawd! What's a Dane doing here in Niger?” They'd always laugh and say because that's where the job was. And all, though a tad homesick, were quite happy none the less.
12 posted on 02/21/2012 4:32:34 AM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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13 posted on 02/21/2012 4:47:59 AM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: Cronos

I did not see her main point addressed yet but I didn’t click the link yet either.

Why was she working for a private company without pay? Was it a requirement for staying on the dole? Did the private company reimburse the government for her dole?


14 posted on 02/21/2012 5:02:00 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: iowamark

She should go to one of the colonies...... Australia comes to mind. Mining and oil are booming there


15 posted on 02/21/2012 5:08:59 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: iowamark

I see lots of girls a lot worse looking than her with rings, big houses, married. Even huge girls.


16 posted on 02/21/2012 5:16:58 AM PST by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: iowamark

I don’t know. That’s pretty good for England


17 posted on 02/21/2012 5:18:08 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: iowamark

Next on BBC-2 "Boy George,the early years" the movie of the week.

CC

18 posted on 02/21/2012 5:21:06 AM PST by Celtic Conservative (Wisdom comes from experience. Experience comes from a lack of wisdom.)
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To: Cronos
Ok, so the guy who got top ranks got the job, the folks who took vocational studies, got jobs, only if you took a non-vocational major and didn't graduate at the top of your class, you got unemployed. Then, when the govt says "work and get your dole" you crib?

"You crib"? Suck eggs, dude.

The older generation in authority PUSHES college on these gullible kids for 20 solid years. The older generation in authority PUSHES college loans on these gullible kids. The older generation in authority indoctrinates the youth into going along with the flow, with the nanny-daddy state program, mindlessly.

The proverb "You reap what you sow" applies. The OLDER GENERATION has sowed a generation of victims unable to find their own way.

19 posted on 02/21/2012 5:25:23 AM PST by bvw
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To: bvw

The *older generation*?

I think it might be more of a case that the government schools and media push the necessity of college.

The student may have parents who tell them honestly to go to a community college and get a trade certification. The student, however, has been indoctrinated and can declare themselves emancipated from their parents and then qualify for a non-dischargable student loan from the government.

The parents may preach until they are blue in the face about the merits of individualism, but the student is inculcated with collectivism and is psychologically coerced to disregard the parents in favor of their peer group and the indoctrinators.

It is the government totality that has created this situation, which they can then exploit to their own ends of gaining and retaining power. Take a look at the spokesmen for the government totality. There is a large cadre of favored 20-somethings who have their position because of connections and family influence/money. They can speak authoritatively to their peers. The visible layer above them is in their 30s, still capable of appealing to youth on their own level.

Sure, some parents have been inculcated along with their children, because to not be on the same page means endless conflict not only in the home, but for the child in the lower echelons of government education. Some conservative parents are successful in guiding their children, but not all.

To me, the article illustrates the futility of it all. The girl earned a scientific degree. There were no jobs in her field. In order to collect a small government subsidy, she is required to *work* for them. What is she supposed to do? If everyone becomes a plumber or an electrician or an RN, how long before those fields are saturated and the technical graduates are in a similar situation?


20 posted on 02/21/2012 6:07:56 AM PST by reformedliberal
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To: iowamark

hand her a legal pad and send her on over to
wearethe99percent.com


21 posted on 02/21/2012 6:27:02 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: reformedliberal
I think it might be more of a case that the government schools and media push the necessity of college.

Well, in a civilization, in the urban civilized society of this era, that is indeed the "older generation" which is raising the young, and in this case "exploiting". Our generation has entrapped the young in great shackles of debt, in order to buy a wasteful, desultory, emotionally disabling, morally destructive, and intellectually ruining four, five, six years of "Higher Education".

Too many parents are caught in the still rampant societal delusion that college is a necessity, that college is a good, that college improves, that college is worth the huge cost burden.

22 posted on 02/21/2012 6:34:25 AM PST by bvw
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To: 21twelve

>>>Maybe she should buy a ticket for North Dakota. If she can stay sober and drug free she could probably move up the ranks fairly quickly.

But All one can do for recreation in NoDak is drink.... :D


23 posted on 02/21/2012 6:40:27 AM PST by Keith in Iowa (Willard Romney, purveyor of the world's finest bullmitt. | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: bvw

rampant societal delusion


Yes, but that delusion is so deeply inculcated by the governmental/media/educational authority that it simply isn’t productive to rant on the entire *older generation*.

This is JMO, but it may be essential for the present generations to experience the obvious results of this delusion in order for the coming generations to draw the correct conclusion.

It has been over 40 years since anyone was really taught to think, let alone think critically. I fear it is going to take catastrophic times for most to reclaim their abilities to reason.

If you just look around, there is indisputable evidence that the majority of those who have succeeded in our present society did obtain a university credential. Others succeeded because of university experiences that allowed them to meet *the right people* or to marry *the right person*, meaning those with elite connections. Now, that obviously doesn’t automatically mean that everyone who has this experience will benefit to the same degree. But it is difficult to condemn the parents who draw that conclusion.

Often, change takes place just because conditions change. Young people are hard-wired to rebel against parents and authority. At some point, one can expect the young to get it. Many will be chewed up and spit out by the system they blindly follow. Those are the sorts of lessons learned at a very basic level.


24 posted on 02/21/2012 7:03:36 AM PST by reformedliberal
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To: Graybeard58
UK gov new rule: you are waiting for a Job and getting dole? in the meanwhile, work at these jobs and earn the dole.

The private companies pay the gov for these folks.

25 posted on 02/21/2012 7:06:29 AM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: reformedliberal
This is JMO, but it may be essential for the present generations to experience the obvious results of this delusion in order for the coming generations to draw the correct conclusion.

That is not just your opinion, and it seems a very wise one! The "older generation", at least some of it, can help by ensuring that the younger generation does learn, re-learn, re-discover, the corrections. To point them to Kipling's "The Gods of the Copybook Headings", or more basically the truths of Divine Law and the good ways of human operation which ensure that the fruits and blessings of Divine Providence pour forth.

26 posted on 02/21/2012 7:41:01 AM PST by bvw
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27 posted on 02/21/2012 7:59:57 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Graybeard58
Why was she working for a private company without pay? Was it a requirement for staying on the dole?

Yes.

Did the private company reimburse the government for her dole?

No.

28 posted on 02/21/2012 10:08:12 AM PST by Winniesboy
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To: Cronos
If the Government subsidises high street chains with free labour, they don’t have to recruit. It causes unemployment rather than solves it.

She has a point: but not, I suspect, the one she intended.

29 posted on 02/21/2012 10:16:33 AM PST by Winniesboy
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To: Cronos
If the Government subsidises high street chains with free labour, they don’t have to recruit. It causes unemployment rather than solves it.”

If that is an accurate depiction of what government does, she may be correct.

Geology has applications in lots of businesses and industries; if she is willing to relocate, she'll be more likely to find a match.

As far as her marriage prospects go, contact lenses and a smile wouldn't hurt! (Unless she's got the typical Brit bad teeth...)

30 posted on 02/21/2012 10:39:28 AM PST by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: AppyPappy

I can happily assure you that it’s not


31 posted on 02/21/2012 11:34:12 AM PST by Mitch86
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To: Cronos

Update on this story -

It now seems that Tesco and other retailers are pulling out of this scheme after adverse publicity:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/feb/21/back-work-scheme-disarray-tesco


32 posted on 02/21/2012 12:38:17 PM PST by Winniesboy
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To: iowamark
I hope that she finds a job. I doubt that her marriage prospects are very good.

Her looks aren't that bad. Her attitude of entitlement is likely to send prospective boyfriends running (at least the ones with any sense).

33 posted on 02/21/2012 12:43:25 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: bvw
The OLDER GENERATION has sowed a generation of victims unable to find their own way.

Try again - dude !

My daughter and I had more than one long and frank discussion about "would you like fries with that" degrees.

SHE chose to go to an expensive (liberal) private college and study art and history. Her mother and I split the cost of room & board.

SHE made the choices, against my advice. Now she can live with 'em.

34 posted on 02/21/2012 1:18:13 PM PST by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: Cronos

Her geology degree was totally worthless in the job assigned. She should have been perfectly suited for digging ditches, however.

Or digging holes and filling them back up, after examining the diggings for signs of precious metals or petroleum.


35 posted on 02/21/2012 11:15:48 PM PST by tdscpa
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