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American Fork man defends his gun rights after cited by police(UT)
fox13now.com ^ | 20 February, 2012 | Aaron Vaughn

Posted on 02/21/2012 4:45:39 AM PST by marktwain

AMERICAN FORK, Utah— An American Fork man says his right to bear arms was violated after police stopped and cited him for disorderly conduct.

Spencer Bergon is a manager at Walmart. He was getting ready to go target shooting with a friend and, while waiting for his ride, he took his guns out of his car to put them in their carrying cases. At the same time a woman walked by and got scared.

Bergon says the woman came back and circled him in her car at least five times. He says he knew she was calling the police. Bergon says he left the area but was stopped by police in a church parking lot. He was then interrogated for two hours and cited for disorderly conduct – a ticket, he says, that will cost him hundreds of dollars.

Bergon says his rights were violated and, although he does not have a concealed weapons permit, in Utah, residents are allowed to carry guns without a permit as long as they are in plain sight. He says the ticket is unfair.

“I don't blame them for taking the precaution that they did,” Bergon says of police. “They were very kind and respectful. What I don't understand is why I would get a ticket for having my legal rights to carry a firearm.”

Bergon also says he does not blame the woman who called police, saying he understands why she was concerned.

Police initially got a report from the woman saying that she thought Bergon was following her.

“During our investigation we found that was nowhere near the case,” said American Fork Police Sgt. Gregg Ludlow.

Police gave no real explanation on the ticket as to why he was cited for disorderly conduct.

Bergon has no criminal record and plans to fight the ticket in court.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: banglist; constitution; gun; ut
Disorderly conduct is often a charged used when the police want to give a ticket, but cannot think of any law that was broken.
1 posted on 02/21/2012 4:45:48 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

He’s wayyy too understanding.


2 posted on 02/21/2012 4:48:58 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: marktwain

We had the same trouble here in Wis. until law suits and a change in the law solved it.


3 posted on 02/21/2012 4:52:11 AM PST by riverrunner
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4 posted on 02/21/2012 4:53:53 AM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: marktwain

The woman sounds like a meddling b-tch.She claims she was afraid,but circled back at least 5 times?Then she falsely claims that he was following her?


5 posted on 02/21/2012 4:56:15 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: marktwain

Cop #1: Those your guns?

Citizen: Yep.

Cop #2: You got a permit for them?

Citizen: Yep.

Cop #1: Where you going with ‘em?

Citizen: Shooting range.

Cop #2 to Cop #1: Aw hell, we missed out on the last jelley donuts at Winchell’s because of this. Now, we can’t shoot him, can’t arrest him, can’t confiscate his weapons and there ain’t no more jelley donuts! This sucks!

Cop #1 to Cop #2: Well, we can always cite him for “disorderly conduct”.

Cop #2 to Cop #1: Yeah. Great idea. Cover me while I go back to the squad car and fetch my citation book. If he makes any sudden moves, fill him full of lead.


6 posted on 02/21/2012 5:00:36 AM PST by Ernie Kaputnik ((It's a mad, mad, mad world.))
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To: marktwain

Even though a state, in my case NC, has “open carry” if someone calls the police on you they generally will charge you with “causing panic”. It seems it’s the police catchall here.


7 posted on 02/21/2012 5:08:35 AM PST by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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To: Recon Dad

“Understand” my a*s.
He oughta sue everybody in sight.
Personally, not as PD hacks.


8 posted on 02/21/2012 5:12:41 AM PST by Flintlock (Photo ID for ALL VOTING. Let our dead rest in peace.)
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To: marktwain

You are absolutely correct. It is a catch-all.


9 posted on 02/21/2012 5:15:28 AM PST by midcop402
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To: marktwain

1) Who was the “woman” related or otherwise connected to? 2) “Disorderly conduct”? What are the citeria? What “conduct”? 3) The “woman” circled several times? Sounds like stalking to me.... 4) The
Barney” that wrote the citation needs to be FIRED and charged with the stiffest thing possible. 5) Did the gentleman calmly tell Barney “I request that you now call your supervisor to come to this location immiediately”? 6) This whole thing sounds SO absurd that it is nearly unbelievable.


10 posted on 02/21/2012 5:16:03 AM PST by Nathaniel (- A Man Without A Cross -)
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To: marktwain

back in 19 and 66, I was waiting at a friends apartment, in my car, on the shoulder near a busy intersection that contained the apartment complex, a bank, and a police station....

we were going clay bird shooting and I had the skeet machine in the trunk...the back of the car was bristling with uncased shotguns sticking straight up....and I, bored to tears, waiting for my friends (2 brothers). I picked up another friend’s(he was sitting next to me) pair of binoculars and was glassing the rears of various females that were entering the bank....

....WHAM! 3 unmarked cars screetched and blocked me in....they yanked me and Dwayne(not his real name) out of the car and we were made to assume the possitions as I tried to explain that we were going skeet shooting....

I opened the trunk, which contained another shotgun, a skeet machine and a couple of cases of clay birds...

....as that was going on, the 2 brothers exited their apartment with shotguns in the crook of their arms...

the cop cautioned us and let us go....

it seems someone called the cops as they assumed I was casing the bank with the glasses....and saw the shotguns sticking up in the back seat....

today if it happened I would probably have been arrested for

glassing the lasses....and more specifially their ***es.


11 posted on 02/21/2012 5:16:14 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: marktwain

Any woman that passes by a weapon 5 times isn’t scared.

She is just plain nosy, and a busybody.


12 posted on 02/21/2012 5:19:20 AM PST by Venturer
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To: driftdiver

“He’s wayyy too understanding.”
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Probably figures he has to be to avoid far greater problems than he already has. That which “could never happen in America” and was only feared by kooky conspiracy theorists is now happening all around us, only the idiots don’t realize it yet.


13 posted on 02/21/2012 5:19:43 AM PST by RipSawyer
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To: Farmer Dean

Circling him 5 times!?! Hell he should file a stalking complaint against her.


14 posted on 02/21/2012 5:24:25 AM PST by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: mosaicwolf

Five’ll getcha ten the circling woman is a gun hating liberal.


15 posted on 02/21/2012 5:31:33 AM PST by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: riverrunner

That they can ruin your day like that is the reason I got a permit to carry here in Pennsylvania. A goofy cop can make your life miserable when transporting a gun to the gun club, but not if you have a permit to carry.


16 posted on 02/21/2012 5:33:02 AM PST by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: maxwellsmart_agent

Things are slowly changing for the better but it is a up hill battle.


17 posted on 02/21/2012 5:41:39 AM PST by riverrunner
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This short storie is more like the direction we are sadly headed.

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18 posted on 02/21/2012 6:07:04 AM PST by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: marktwain

How soon will it be before the story can read, was a manager at Wal-Mart?


19 posted on 02/21/2012 6:15:16 AM PST by em2vn
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To: marktwain

Since she circled him 5 times he should charge her with stalking. Just another liberal goof ball, which should come with a price tag.


20 posted on 02/21/2012 6:32:13 AM PST by buffaloguy (uab.)
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21 posted on 02/21/2012 7:57:43 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: maxwellsmart_agent
A goofy cop can make your life miserable when transporting a gun to the gun club, but not if you have a permit to carry.

I read that and thought "So, he's saying there isn't a right* to bear arms."

* Right
18. -- a just claim or title, whether legal, prescriptive, or moral: You have a right to say what you please.
19. -- Sometimes, rights. that which is due to anyone by just claim, legal guarantees, moral principles, etc.: women's rights; Freedom of speech is a right of all Americans.
21. -- that which is morally, legally, or ethically proper: to know right from wrong.
22. -- a moral, ethical, or legal principle considered as an underlying cause of truth, justice, morality, or ethics.

as opposed to License
1. -- formal permission from a governmental or other constituted authority to do something, as to carry on some business or profession.
2. -- a certificate, tag, plate, etc., giving proof of such permission; official permit: a driver's license.

22 posted on 02/21/2012 1:55:05 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Vaquero

Good story.

If it happened toay, you’d be surrounded by a SWAT team and perforated.


23 posted on 02/21/2012 11:29:58 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: marktwain

As a CCW holder, I really must hand it to you, marktwain.
Thank you so much for keeping up on these firearms-related articles.
It is appreciated.


24 posted on 02/21/2012 11:34:49 PM PST by RandallFlagg (Look for the union label, then buy elsewhere.)
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To: RandallFlagg

You are welcome.

Someone has to do it.


25 posted on 02/22/2012 6:27:51 PM PST by marktwain
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