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59% Fear Efforts To Deport Illegal Immigrants Will Violate Civil Rights of Citizens
rasmussenreports.com ^ | 02.21.12

Posted on 02/21/2012 9:29:33 AM PST by VU4G10

While most voters continue to strongly support border control to stop the flow of illegal immigrants into this country, they also remain concerned that legal citizens will be caught up inadvertently in these efforts.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 59% of Likely U.S. Voters are at least somewhat concerned that efforts to identify and deport illegal immigrants will also end up violating the civil rights of some U.S. citizens.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: aliens; heartless; invasion

1 posted on 02/21/2012 9:29:41 AM PST by VU4G10
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To: VU4G10

And what do those same folks say about the TSA?


2 posted on 02/21/2012 9:33:23 AM PST by fruser1
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To: VU4G10

And we wonder why we’re losing the country............


3 posted on 02/21/2012 9:34:35 AM PST by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: VU4G10

What about the rights of the rest of us? Sure there’s a danger of legal citizens getting wrongly picked up but but the other 300 million or so of us are getting screwed every single day the illegals are here.

If there are 30 million illegals in America, its enough to create nearly 50 congressional districts. How’s that for disfranchisement?


4 posted on 02/21/2012 9:34:35 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: VU4G10

So now illegal foreigners are “citizens”?


5 posted on 02/21/2012 9:37:14 AM PST by LibFreeUSA (Pick Your Poison)
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To: VU4G10

These people have watched “Born in East LA” one too many times.


6 posted on 02/21/2012 9:37:39 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: VU4G10
"59% of Likely U.S. Voters are at least somewhat concerned that efforts to identify and deport illegal immigrants will also end up violating the civil rights of some U.S. citizens."

That is a totally flawed survey, having the traits of a push poll.

100% of the people I have surveyed agree with President Calvin Coolidge, who stated the following in December 1923 in an address to Congress:

“American institutions rest solely on good citizenship. They were created by people who had a background of self-government. New arrivals should be limited to our capacity to absorb them into the ranks of good citizenship. America must be kept American. For this purpose it is necessary to continue a policy of restricted immigration."

"It would be well to make such immigration of a selective nature with some inspection at the source, and based either on a prior census or upon the record of naturalization. Either method would insure the admission of those with the largest capacity and best intention of becoming citizens. Those who do not want to be partakers of the American spirit ought not to settle in America.”

7 posted on 02/21/2012 9:38:47 AM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: VU4G10

If you are legal you can verify that rather easily.


8 posted on 02/21/2012 9:38:52 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: VU4G10

what’s up with rassy lately-
his numbers have turned a sharp left lately


9 posted on 02/21/2012 9:39:24 AM PST by paythefiddler (redefeat communism)
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To: VU4G10

Illegal immigrants are not citizens. The respondents are either too stupid to realize this or the poll was worded in a way to get people to give this answer.


10 posted on 02/21/2012 9:40:17 AM PST by detective
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To: VU4G10
Did Rasmussen forget to include the portion of illegals included in these poll results? I call BS.
11 posted on 02/21/2012 9:41:30 AM PST by liberalh8ter (Obama - The United Nation's first U.S. Presidential Candidate)
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To: VU4G10
Voters are at least somewhat concerned...

Not a very high hurdle to get to an answer that Americans are concerned.

12 posted on 02/21/2012 9:42:35 AM PST by Will88
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To: VU4G10

Who asked Rasmussen to perform such a pole and who did they ask, illegal immigrants?


13 posted on 02/21/2012 9:43:04 AM PST by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: maxwellsmart_agent

Sorry, misspelled poll.


14 posted on 02/21/2012 9:44:34 AM PST by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: maxwellsmart_agent

Sorry, misspelled poll.


15 posted on 02/21/2012 9:44:38 AM PST by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: cripplecreek
the left likes to concern themselves with feelings. The feeling that something may happen if X,Y & Z were to occur. The reality never bothers them.

The Health Care mess, it's about insuring the uninsured, no it's it not, more would be uninsured with it.

When voter suppression, voter fraud, racism whatever is real, tangible and visible, they have zero interest.

Why? not sure but perhaps it is harder to fix a real problem then it is to have bad feelings about something and create a phony solution for a make believe problem.

16 posted on 02/21/2012 9:46:37 AM PST by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: fruser1

or DUI checkpoints for that matter?


17 posted on 02/21/2012 9:47:05 AM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: maxwellsmart_agent

One of the main goals of the One World Government, New World Order, Progressives, is to destroy nationalism.

They are working to this goal on all levels, from destroying the the sense of community on a local level, dividing towns, and rural residents, replacing elected officials with appointed boards and commissions, that are insulated from voter lash back, and by setting up citizen groups to spy on neighbors and report land use and other violations.

In one WA county, they are training citizens to use heat sensing equipment which will seek and measure the pollution coming from unapproved wood burning fireplaces.

Illegal immigration is just one front on the war against American nationalism.


18 posted on 02/21/2012 9:50:01 AM PST by Eva
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To: VU4G10
how about I’ll respect their rights when they respect our laws...
19 posted on 02/21/2012 9:53:08 AM PST by edzo4 (You call us the 'Party Of No', I call us the resistance.)
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To: VU4G10

There is no such thing as an “illegal immigrant”.

You are either an immigrant or a criminal trespasser/invader.

To immigrate and to be classified as an immigrant you must follow the current legal process.

Sneaking into a country should NEVER be considered to be immigration in any form, shape or manner.

Disarm the communist left by refusing to use their made up terms which are designed to distort debate and understanding of any subject.


20 posted on 02/21/2012 9:54:36 AM PST by Wurlitzer (Welcome to the new USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika))
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To: Will88
Not a very high hurdle to get to an answer that Americans are concerned.

No kidding. I don't want legal citizens harassed or picked up either but that sure as heck doesn't mean I want to let millions of illegals stay.
21 posted on 02/21/2012 9:55:29 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: VU4G10

People really need to stop living and dieing by polls.

Just enforce the dang law no matter what popular opinion polls opine about. Deport all illegals. The reason I got no problem whatsoever showing my ID is that I’m here legally and got nothing to hide. Now why would people fear showing ID? Because of discrimination? Phssst. Bull crap.


22 posted on 02/21/2012 9:56:21 AM PST by CaptainKrunch
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To: VU4G10

The DOJ and Homeland inSecurity seems to relish in every excuse to abuse American citizens once it gets the power in the name of getting the bad foreigners.

Rinos don’t object that Homeland inSecurity is sexually molesting Americans at the airports in the name of power they got to seek out mulsim terrorists. They did not object to Christians and conservatives being made the MO of a domestic terrorist. They relish the corruption of political correctness.

I can imagine what the corrupt race baiting feds will do with a new found power to stop Americans (espeically whitey to make things quota equal) to “check their papers.” They will be locking up Americans until they can hire a lawyer and prove to a judge they have valid papers and really are Americans.

Some of the elderly Americans don’t even have birth documents. The Feds will have a heyday strip searching and locking them up with drug gang dealers. Our Federal government is a collection of traitors.


23 posted on 02/21/2012 10:00:03 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: cripplecreek
No kidding.

And, actually, the entire question is bogus and just one more something concocted to create confusion around the illegal alien issue. We all run the risk of being questioned, or even becoming a suspect in some crime or other disallowed act we know nothing about. It's just part of being alive and functioning in society.

24 posted on 02/21/2012 10:05:23 AM PST by Will88
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To: Tzimisce
The solution is to control the border. The problem is that we have not done that for 30 years. The question is how do you push the water back under the bridge? Mass deportations are totally unworkable.

I know, there are people on here that would like to round up 240,000 buses and an army of police officers to try. They are in my opinion delusional and reactionary. Even if that plan were workable logistically - and it is not - it will never happen.

The biggest reason such a plan is mindless folly is that the GOP would never allow such a plan to be put in place.

I do agree with eliminating incentives that draw people to live in this country illegally. So I don't get totally flamed, I agree with that position entirely. But most of all, we must control the border so the problem does not keep getting worse.

25 posted on 02/21/2012 10:11:01 AM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: VU4G10

We are screwed! First these boneheads vote in the kenyan turd, now this! It seems it’s always opposites day in America!


26 posted on 02/21/2012 10:13:42 AM PST by albie
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To: LibFreeUSA
So now illegal foreigners are “citizens”?

So suttle how they sneak this in. Why wasn't it stated undocumented instead of illegal to carry thur the theme.

27 posted on 02/21/2012 10:13:43 AM PST by Digger (If RINO is your selection then failure is your electionAll a cop has to do is say, “I thought I saw)
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To: Will88

I was once arrested and spent the better part of a day in jail for non payment of child support I didn’t owe. (I don’t have kids) It was an inconvenience but I sure didn’t see it as a civil rights violation. It was a courthouse screw up and easily dealt with.

Another time I had a cop pull a gun on me. The cop even had me on the ground in handcuffs before I could prove it was a case of mistaken identity. The cop got my ID and showed me that I was a dead ringer for a murder suspect. My friends and I all got a laugh out of that one. No harm, no foul.


28 posted on 02/21/2012 10:15:44 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek
Sure there’s a danger of legal citizens getting wrongly picked up but but the other 300 million or so of us are getting screwed every single day the illegals are here.

That's the difference between individual decision-making and collective choices forced on everyone else. For me, the "danger" of being deprived of my rights is far outweighed by the permanent price paid for the "feel good" benefit of the proponents, the overwhelming percentage of whom are immune or shielded from the consequences.

29 posted on 02/21/2012 10:16:38 AM PST by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: Wurlitzer
Disarm the communist left by refusing to use their made up terms which are designed to distort debate and understanding of any subject.

You are right of course. And it's such a simple effortless thing.

I am guilty of that very lapse. In the future I will only refer to them as illegal residents.

Thank you for the rhetorical push. Words have always meant things; abuse of words serve the propaganda monster and confound adult debate.

30 posted on 02/21/2012 10:24:16 AM PST by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: Eva

I agree with your take on all this.

It’s even gotten to the point that the political leadership and courts in the United States don’t even give a damn if our president is qualified to hold his office.

All evidence concerning his actions, points to him not having the best interests of our nation at heart, but the obvious question why that is, is never asked.


31 posted on 02/21/2012 10:24:38 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: cripplecreek
No kidding. I don't want legal citizens harassed or picked up either but that sure as heck doesn't mean I want to let millions of illegals stay.

I am presently struggling through a small tome titled Flaws and Fallacies in Statistical Thinking. Although somewhat dated, the principles are eternal.

Your statement is a perfect reply to the Black or White Fallacy.
Our government barrage of propaganda is replete with them; as are most "polls."

32 posted on 02/21/2012 10:33:56 AM PST by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: VU4G10

“...because I saw it happen to Cheech Marin in a movie in the 80’s”


33 posted on 02/21/2012 10:34:40 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: re_nortex

Wow, a CIC who actually understands how unique America is and actually wants to preserve it! Haven’t had one of those Presidents since the 1980’s (Reagan of course).

How far we’ve fallen.


34 posted on 02/21/2012 10:39:08 AM PST by MichaelCorleone (Stop feeding the beast; spend money only with those who support traditional American values.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Waassappining


35 posted on 02/21/2012 10:45:11 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
The biggest reason such a plan is mindless folly is that the GOP would never allow such a plan to be put in place.

I assume you read the following thread :

Judge Napolitano Getting Fired Rant Feb 16, 2012

Makes no difference

The solution has been complicated almost beyond understanding. The rule of law continues to redefined beyond comprehension. The result is that everything, between chaos and totalitarianism is now an option.

When elected representatives ignore the constitution with impunity for generations, what options remain?

36 posted on 02/21/2012 10:58:35 AM PST by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: VU4G10

Citizenship and the rights of citizens. What a quaint, charming piece of nostalgia.


37 posted on 02/21/2012 11:05:16 AM PST by Jay Santos CP ("Idiocracy"... It's no longer just a movie.)
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To: VU4G10

LOL, it is all in how you ask the question. Ask them if they support illegals stealing their kids futures.


38 posted on 02/21/2012 11:24:33 AM PST by org.whodat (Sorry bill, I should never have made all those jokes about you and Lewinsky, have fun.)
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To: VU4G10

Solid majority concerned about preserving civil rights of law abiding American citizens.

Same poll:

“61% Favor Immigration Checks On Traffic Stops

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Thursday, January 19, 2012

Most voters continue to support immigration status checks on routine traffic stops and favor strict sanctions on employers who give illegal immigrants jobs.”

This is more interesting:

“33% Say Race Relations in America Getting Better, 32% Worse”

(My note) And the remaining 35% say they will continue to support our race-baiter in chief, his race-baiting attorney general and his race-baiting supporters in Congress, the MSM, both coasts and society in general.


39 posted on 02/21/2012 11:25:59 AM PST by tumblindice (Whitey-American: Taxed Enough Already)
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To: VU4G10

So don’t deport citizens. Problem solved.


40 posted on 02/21/2012 11:28:51 AM PST by pallis
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To: VU4G10

If the legal immigrant community were to do what is expected of legal immigrants and citizens i.e. help keep the illegals from being here such a concern would be much, much less.


41 posted on 02/21/2012 11:39:25 AM PST by noinfringers2
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To: VU4G10

To the 59% (if the poll can be believed) to be merely asked to prove one’s citizenship is a violation of his/her rights. I’d welcome being asked. And that goes for at the polls as well.


42 posted on 02/21/2012 11:49:39 AM PST by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
Mass deportations are totally unworkable.

How do you know? It's never been tried.
43 posted on 02/21/2012 12:34:13 PM PST by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: re_nortex

Greetings re_nortex:

Add one more to your polling sample, LOL.

Cheers,
OLA


44 posted on 02/21/2012 12:39:49 PM PST by OneLoyalAmerican (In God I trust, all others provide citations.)
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To: edzo4
Greetings edzo4:

I’ll respect their rights when they respect our law

Very succinct! Posts like yours, gentleFReeper, lured to FR.

Cheers,
OLA

45 posted on 02/21/2012 12:45:21 PM PST by OneLoyalAmerican (In God I trust, all others provide citations.)
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To: OneLoyalAmerican
Add one more to your polling sample, LOL.

Thanks...and now my results have moved to 104.75%! :-)

46 posted on 02/21/2012 12:50:54 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: cripplecreek

I’ve never had experiences that bad, but once was in a city a thousand miles from home and was pulled over by the cops when I knew I hadn’t violated any traffic laws. They spent at least 20 minutes on their car radio checking me out I suppose. They finally let me go after what was nothing but a fishing expedition because I had a tag from a state far away.

That was car tag profiling and should be legal, even if it is pretty irritating. It probably turns up a wanted man or woman now and then.


47 posted on 02/21/2012 1:45:14 PM PST by Will88
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To: cripplecreek

“Waassappining”

Isn’t that the name of the place where the New York prison is located?


48 posted on 02/21/2012 7:50:25 PM PST by chooseascreennamepat (The response to 1984 is 1776.)
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To: Tzimisce
Not to worry - too much: few actually own land lines; few others answer callers when ID is "1-800;" and lastly, calls usually made during dinner hour when few really answer phone at all.

What this means is that the few who do actually have home phones, caller ID, answer 1-800 numbers and during dinner, are so desperate to talk to someone, anyone, I'm not surprised that they "fear efforts to deport illegal (aliens) immigrants will violate civil rights of citizens."

Most of those polled aren't paying taxes anyway, so why be concerned about their thinking of civil rights being violated of those who "violate our civil rights" by stealing our IDs, jobs and fleece us blind.

49 posted on 02/21/2012 10:43:20 PM PST by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: Tzimisce
How do you know? It's never been tried.

Work the numbers, for starters.

50 posted on 02/21/2012 11:16:16 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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