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Judge says ordering of abortion was justified
Boston Globe ^ | 02/21/2012 | By Peter Schworm

Posted on 02/21/2012 9:43:50 AM PST by Responsibility2nd

A family court judge who ruled that a pregnant woman with schizophrenia should undergo an abortion and be sterilized sharply defended her decision yesterday, while denouncing Boston University for withdrawing what she said was a job offer amid the controversy.

In a rare personal defense of the reasoning behind a court ruling, Christina Harms, who retired from the bench last month after 23 years, said she concluded that the woman, a 31-year-old who suffered from delusions, would choose to terminate her pregnancy if she were mentally competent, chiefly so that she could resume antipsychotic medication that would have harmed the fetus.

“I believed then, as I do now, that she would elect to abort the pregnancy to protect her own well-being,’’ she said. “She would want to be healthy.’’

Speaking in detail for the first time about the decision, which an appeals court reversed last month in unsparing terms, Harms described the case as “a tragic set of circumstances for which no outcome would have been easy or obviously correct.’’ The woman had described herself as “very Catholic’’ and expressed opposition to an abortion, while her parents were seeking consent for the procedure.

In a letter that she sent yesterday to other family court judges in Massachusetts, Harms outlined the reasons for her determination and criticized the appeals court ruling, which she called simplistic and unfair.

The appeals court ruled that the woman had clearly expressed her opposition to abortion as a Catholic, but Harms wrote that “the statements of a person suffering from schizophrenia surely cannot simply be taken at face value.’’

Harms said she has requested a meeting with the chief judge of the appeals court to register her objection to the “insulting tone’’ of the decision.

She also stated that Boston University’s law school rescinded a job offer shortly after her decision came to light, an abrupt move she said could discourage judges from making unpopular decisions.

“It strikes at the heart of what judicial independence is about,’’ she said. “We need to protect judges from the popularity of the moment.’’

A BU spokesman said yesterday that the university never officially offered the job but acknowledged that it eliminated her from consideration for the job - a new position that would guide students toward judicial clerkships - after her ruling came to light and stirred public outcry.

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Yowsa!
1 posted on 02/21/2012 9:44:00 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: NYer; Salvation
Catholic ping
 
 
The appeals court ruled that the woman had clearly expressed her opposition to abortion as a Catholic, but Harms wrote that “the statements of a person suffering from schizophrenia surely cannot simply be taken at face value.’’


2 posted on 02/21/2012 9:46:41 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This mean Liberals and/or Libertarians (Same Thing) NO LIBS.))
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To: wagglebee; little jeremiah

Forced Abortion ping....


3 posted on 02/21/2012 9:47:43 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This mean Liberals and/or Libertarians (Same Thing) NO LIBS.))
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To: Responsibility2nd

Ah, ‘tis always enlightening to watch liberals defend one of their many versions of the “luminiferous aether”.


4 posted on 02/21/2012 9:48:19 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Responsibility2nd

“’the statements of a person suffering from schizophrenia surely cannot simply be taken at face value.’”

“I am the Law” comes to mind.


5 posted on 02/21/2012 9:49:01 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

To me the even bigger question:

What “Doctor” performed such a procedure?

If the judge decided that the woman was also too good looking for her mental condition, would the “Doctor” also have agreed to ugly her up a bit?

Besides having judges that don’t deserve to judge anybody, we have doctors that don’t deserve to be doctoring anybody!


6 posted on 02/21/2012 9:49:20 AM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: Responsibility2nd

I believe this scenario is how things got started in nazi germany...first the mentally ill, then the physically deformed, then everyone that did not agree with them...then the camps...


7 posted on 02/21/2012 9:50:19 AM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: Responsibility2nd

“...would choose to terminate her pregnancy if she were mentally competent, chiefly so that she could resume antipsychotic medication that would have harmed the fetus....”

So...murdering the “fetus” to prevent it from being “harmed” is ok....

I get it...

Only in the warped, sick, delusional insanity of a liberal brain could this even remotely make sense.


8 posted on 02/21/2012 9:50:26 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: I cannot think of a name

That’s a good question. This is breaking news. Just a few sources are carrying this.

But I don’t see anywhere that an actual abortion has taken place - even in spite of this idiot judge’s decision.


9 posted on 02/21/2012 9:52:27 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This mean Liberals and/or Libertarians (Same Thing) NO LIBS.))
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To: Responsibility2nd

Christina Harms, who retired from the bench last month after 23 years, said she concluded that the woman, a 31-year-old who suffered from delusions, would choose to terminate her pregnancy if she were mentally competent, chiefly so that she could resume antipsychotic medication that would have harmed the fetus.

So the mentally ill woman went off of her meds so as not to harm the baby and the judge gleens that she doesn’t want it? It seems to me that she REALLY wants it. If she can’t proprly take care of the baby (after resuming medication) they can put it up for adoption. It looks like the judge she is looking for reasons to abort.


10 posted on 02/21/2012 9:52:37 AM PST by marstegreg
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To: Responsibility2nd

One of our BIL has a schizophrenic sister who has had 3 kids that were all adopted and raised by one of the other sisters.I can’t imagine a judge ever saying that any of those 3 kids didn’t deserve to live.The youngest is serving in S.Korea as a US soldier......


11 posted on 02/21/2012 9:53:26 AM PST by chris_bdba
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To: Responsibility2nd

““We need to protect judges from the popularity of the moment.’’ “

‘How about we need to protect unborn children from the popularity of the moment of murdering children? This “judge” meeds lessons in morality not whining about herself as a victim.


12 posted on 02/21/2012 9:54:14 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Simply Nazism


13 posted on 02/21/2012 9:54:27 AM PST by Regulator
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To: Responsibility2nd

In the particular circumstances of the case I do agree with the Judge.


14 posted on 02/21/2012 9:55:00 AM PST by bvw
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To: Responsibility2nd
Yowsa!

How many of us are familiar with schizophrenics and their behaviors and moods?
How many schizophrenics are there in the US?
Should schizophrenics vote?
What is the practical difference between schizophrenics and children?

So many questions, so little wisdom.

15 posted on 02/21/2012 9:55:25 AM PST by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: I cannot think of a name

Per the article “which an appeals court reversed last month in unsparing terms,” I’d have to assume that since the decision was reversed that the woman is either still pregnant or has had the baby?


16 posted on 02/21/2012 9:55:38 AM PST by chris_bdba
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To: Responsibility2nd

I love the way this pathetic judge wants to be free of the consequences of her actions.


17 posted on 02/21/2012 9:56:59 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

>>>She also stated that Boston University’s law school rescinded a job offer shortly after her decision came to light, an abrupt move she said could discourage judges from making unpopular decisions. <<<

This was not an “unpopular” decision, it was an iilegal and immoral one that demonstrates that she has a severely warped understanding of individual rights, judicial powers, and the sanctity of life.

Of course “the statements of a judge suffering from the mental illness of Liberal Statism, surely cannot be simply taken at face value.”.


18 posted on 02/21/2012 9:58:00 AM PST by Above My Pay Grade
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To: Responsibility2nd

Darwinian Eugenics in action.


19 posted on 02/21/2012 10:02:37 AM PST by JohnKinAK
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To: bvw; DJ MacWoW; wagglebee; little jeremiah; trisham; metmom

You agree with murder?

Forced sterilization?

FRiend, this (last time I looked) is America. Not Nazi Germany.

Look at some other replies on this thread and tell me why adoption is not the answer.

Or go ahead and defend abortion. You’ve been a FReeper a long time, but (last time I looked) pro-aborts get zotted.


20 posted on 02/21/2012 10:03:31 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This mean Liberals and/or Libertarians (Same Thing) NO LIBS.))
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To: Responsibility2nd

Ahhh Massachusetts... the land of many laws... nuff said.


21 posted on 02/21/2012 10:04:55 AM PST by Mashood
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To: Responsibility2nd

Forget China, US has its own government forced abortions


22 posted on 02/21/2012 10:08:12 AM PST by School of Rational Thought
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To: Regulator

This Judge can either read the minds of a woman who is mentally ill or she is a Nazi.

But is she any worse than a Secretary of Health and Human services that makes a ruling that all women must get health insurance that pays for abortions, sterilisations, and BC pills, paid for by me and millions of other Americans who do not believe in killing babies?

The real name for Nazi’s was Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei which means National SOCIALIST German Workers Party.

Take out German because we are not German and take out workers, because this party we have is all for those who do not work, and you have what Obama is trying to give us here in America right now.


23 posted on 02/21/2012 10:08:45 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Responsibility2nd

This was done in the past to ‘mental defectives’, etc. who had no choice in the matter...outrageous that this woman feels she can order the killing of a children because of *her* emotions about the situation, which seem to be anti-Catholic AND anti-Constitutional! So glad the appeals court caught it!

Now when is this woman losing her job as a law-creating ‘judge’??


24 posted on 02/21/2012 10:10:30 AM PST by pillut48 (Israel doesn't have a friend in President Obama...and neither does the USA! (h/t pgkdan))
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To: Da Coyote
Ah, ‘tis always enlightening to watch liberals defend one of their many versions of the “luminiferous aether”.

I would instead call it "Luciferous ethics".

25 posted on 02/21/2012 10:11:53 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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26 posted on 02/21/2012 10:12:35 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Responsibility2nd
Interesting.

So the judge is rendering her decision based on her uncanny ability to read what is inside another's mind.

I'm glad I'm not standing before her as a defendant.

I fear I'd be sentenced to life in prison if she could read my mind...

27 posted on 02/21/2012 10:12:41 AM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

And so it continues...first make it legal for a mother to murder her own baby....then make it not only legal but advisable.....then make it easy to obtain.....then make it a government given right......then let judges order it done.The insanity continues!!!


28 posted on 02/21/2012 10:12:53 AM PST by ontap
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killing of a CHILD, not children, though I’d bet this isn’t the FIRST time a forced abortion has been ordered for the ‘benefit’ of the mother :-(


29 posted on 02/21/2012 10:13:00 AM PST by pillut48 (Israel doesn't have a friend in President Obama...and neither does the USA! (h/t pgkdan))
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To: marstegreg
So the mentally ill woman went off of her meds so as not to harm the baby and the judge gleens that she doesn’t want it? It seems to me that she REALLY wants it. If she can’t proprly take care of the baby (after resuming medication) they can put it up for adoption. It looks like the judge she is looking for reasons to abort.

Exactly - the decision was made by the woman while she was on the anti-psychotic meds, in order to protect the baby. The judge reversed the logic and lied about the state of mind of the woman at the time she made her decision, in order to kill the baby and set precident for murdering the babies of the mentally ill. And then she got (thankfully) bitch-slapped by the appellate court, but, being a murderous witch, now she's screeching.

Hillary's Army in action - the march of the soulless hags.

30 posted on 02/21/2012 10:13:00 AM PST by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I can’t help but think that her last name is appropriate and indicative...


31 posted on 02/21/2012 10:13:55 AM PST by paladinan (Rule #1: There is a God. Rule #2: It isn't you.)
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To: bvw
So you think a judicially ordered abortion on an unwilling woman is OK by the Constitution?

In the USA or the PRC?

Or did you forget your /sarc/ tag?

32 posted on 02/21/2012 10:14:15 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Responsibility2nd

Sheesh, the Judge is in deep kimshi if Sam and Dean get wind of this demonic decision.


33 posted on 02/21/2012 10:15:03 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: bvw; Responsibility2nd; trisham; DJ MacWoW; little jeremiah; Coleus; narses; Lesforlife; ...
In the particular circumstances of the case I do agree with the Judge.

So, you agree that judges can order forced abortions and forced sterilization of the mentally ill?

Do you have a list of other health conditions where you think a judge should order such barbaric procedures?

34 posted on 02/21/2012 10:17:50 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Responsibility2nd
I have not read her published legal decision on this case, but I would like to know what justification under Massachusetts and United States law she used for her decision. Or did she just blow past the law and rule on her whim? If she ruled based on some law, then that needs to be fixed legislatively. If she just ruled based on her whim, then I hope this decision hounds her for the rest of her life and beyond.
35 posted on 02/21/2012 10:23:50 AM PST by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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After bvw came out in favor of abortion, I’ve check to see if he/she has gotten the zot.

Nope, not yet. But it is interesting his/her FReep page says....

“I’ll be in lurk mode for the indefinite future. ... Well, I try to lurk. It’s really heard to keep my yap shut.”

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Oh. So. True!!


36 posted on 02/21/2012 10:24:22 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This mean Liberals and/or Libertarians (Same Thing) NO LIBS.))
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Do you have a list of other health conditions where you think a judge should order such barbaric procedures?
 
 
Or perhaps economic conditions? Maybe bvw can argue that if the mother is a welfare queen, then it economically makes sense to abort?

37 posted on 02/21/2012 10:28:37 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This mean Liberals and/or Libertarians (Same Thing) NO LIBS.))
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To: Responsibility2nd

How many leftys have screamed, “Keep your hands off my uterus” when protesting to make abortion ever more available? How can a pro-abort square this act with their advocacy?


38 posted on 02/21/2012 10:29:01 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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In the particular circumstances of the case I do agree with the Judge.

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Why?

39 posted on 02/21/2012 10:30:14 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
She also stated that Boston University’s law school rescinded a job offer shortly after her decision came to light, an abrupt move she said could discourage judges from making unpopular decisions

A result MUCH to be desired, if by "unpopular decisions" she means judges meddling in political matters.

But back to the main point. Ya gotta admire the chutzpah of people anxious to play God with other people's lives.

40 posted on 02/21/2012 10:31:49 AM PST by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: Responsibility2nd

so....a judge determined that this woman would have gotten an abortion if she were thinking clearly? The same clairvoyance that allows them to determine “voter intent” from a hanging chad I suppose?


41 posted on 02/21/2012 10:33:28 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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Imho, it is almost beyond belief that anyone on this site would agree with allowing the state the power to force abortions. It’s stunning.


42 posted on 02/21/2012 10:35:41 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: ontap
"And so it continues...first make it legal for a mother to murder her own baby....then make it not only legal but advisable.....then make it easy to obtain.....then make it a government given right......then let judges order it done.The insanity continues!!!"

An elegant and concise summation on the progress of evil.

43 posted on 02/21/2012 10:40:12 AM PST by WMarshal (Where is the next Sam Adams?)
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To: Responsibility2nd; wagglebee; bvw
We've seen a lot of established FReepers leave the reservation lately. A while back there was a wave of pious and oh-so-righteous homo supporters. (To thier credit, they left the best opusses. Those hand-wringers were always good for 500+ replies.) More recently there has been an exodus of libertarians with a smattering of crypto-anti-semites and flat-earthers mixed in for good measure.

But the real shock to me has been how many pro-aborts have been lurking here. This site has never been ambivalent about abortion. Pro-choice noobs get the zot instantly. That should be a clue.

44 posted on 02/21/2012 10:42:04 AM PST by jboot
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why wasn’t she put on implant birth control after the first child? Her parents can order that. Implanon is very foolproof. implant birth control has lower failure rates than all other methods. Since she is extremely mentally ill, who keeps impregnating her? Why don’t the parents put her in a better facility or in their home?


45 posted on 02/21/2012 10:43:48 AM PST by snowstorm12
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To: KarlInOhio
I have not read her published legal decision on this case, but I would like to know what justification under Massachusetts and United States law she used for her decision. Or did she just blow past the law and rule on her whim? If she ruled based on some law, then that needs to be fixed legislatively. If she just ruled based on her whim, then I hope this decision hounds her for the rest of her life and beyond.

In all 50 states, there are laws providing for judicial supervision of people who are not legally competent (e.g., severely retarded, mentally ill, in a coma, etc.). The court can either appoint a guardian for the person, or the court itself can make major decisions for the person (authorizing surgery, authorizing the filing or settlement of a lawsuit, making investments, etc.)

The concept itself is neither new (it goes back to English law) nor controversial in theory. It becomes controversial in a few cases (this one and Terry Schiavo come to mind), but judges in every state every day are making medical and other decisions for incompetent people.

46 posted on 02/21/2012 10:46:07 AM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I thought this kind of forced sterilization was illegal after WWII.


47 posted on 02/21/2012 10:48:38 AM PST by Shadow44
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To: snowstorm12

Was Mental Incompetence determined on her being a Catholic?


48 posted on 02/21/2012 10:49:50 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: massgopguy

“She would want to be healthy.” There you have it. Pregnancy is a disease. So says this Judge.


49 posted on 02/21/2012 10:56:12 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: massgopguy

“She would want to be healthy.” There you have it. Pregnancy is a disease. So says this Judge.


50 posted on 02/21/2012 10:56:29 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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