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Franklin Graham: ‘Assume’ Obama is Christian
Politico ^ | 2/21/12 | TIM MAK

Posted on 02/21/2012 10:42:31 AM PST by ColdOne

Franklin Graham, the evangelist and son of Billy Graham, gave sharply different answers Tuesday when asked whether he believed Rick Santorum and Barack Obama were Christians.

Graham, the CEO and president of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, also declined to say on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” whether he thought Mitt Romney was a Christian. He weighed in at length on the candidates and their faith:

* ON OBAMA: “You have to ask him. I cannot answer that question for anybody. All I know is I’m a sinner, and God has forgiven me of my sins… You have to ask every person. He has said he’s a Christian, so I just have to assume that he is.”

Pressed as to whether Obama had “accepted Jesus Christ,” Graham said, “I don’t know,” recounting a conversation with the president over how Obama came to accept Christianity.

“I just don’t get it, Reverend,” said panelist Mike Barnicle. “Why can’t you just say, ‘yeah, I believe he’s a Christian?’”

According to Graham, Obama had said he only started going to church because community groups in Chicago insisted he do so in order to work them.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; bho44; christians; faith; franklingraham; imom; notchristian; obama; obamaandgod

1 posted on 02/21/2012 10:42:36 AM PST by ColdOne
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To: ColdOne
CHRISTIANITY
2 posted on 02/21/2012 10:44:10 AM PST by FrankR (You are only enslaved to the extent of the entitlements you receive.)
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To: ColdOne

As far as I’m concerned, HUSSEIN is a muslim who was born in kenya.....unless of course he can prove otherwise.......I’m not holding my breath.


3 posted on 02/21/2012 10:47:37 AM PST by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: ColdOne
“I just don’t get it, Reverend,” said panelist Mike Barnicle. “Why can’t you just say, ‘yeah, I believe he’s a Christian?’”

Barnicle is right. He doesn't get it. Sound like he could use prayers for his salvation.


4 posted on 02/21/2012 10:48:35 AM PST by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: ColdOne

I assume otherwise, because the fruits of his life (no gay pun intended) don’t demonstrate a Christian life and thinking. I doubt if God, or any of the pseudo gods like Allah, ever enter into his thinking. His thinking is utopian Marxism, regardless of how he chooses to get that big government.


6 posted on 02/21/2012 10:54:18 AM PST by pallis
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To: ColdOne
What else would you expect him to say? If someone says they are a Christian, you cannot know what's in their mind or heart, and you sort of have to take them at their word.

How good a Christian they are is certainly open to observation and judgment.

7 posted on 02/21/2012 10:55:48 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: ColdOne

Most people would have given Obama the benefit of the doubt until they met Reverend Wright. That did it for most people.

Since then, Obama confirms people’s suspicions about him by his positions on moral issues, and as Graham mentions, his unwillingness to speak up about the slaughter of Christians when the perps are muslim.


8 posted on 02/21/2012 10:56:52 AM PST by marron
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To: ColdOne

Sorry, I refuse to believe anyone can be a rabidly pro abortion as this guy is and be a genuine Christian. If that comes off as judgmental, so be it.


10 posted on 02/21/2012 10:59:34 AM PST by Marathoner (In the 80s we had Reagan, Johnny Cash and Bob Hope. Now we have Obama, no cash and no hope.)
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To: ColdOne

Anybody who sat in the Rev. Wrights pews for as long as Obama did, is NOT Christian.


11 posted on 02/21/2012 11:00:34 AM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: ColdOne
At least Clinton attempted to look Christian each Sunday while walking to some church in DC with a Bible so visible in his hand for all to see. Obama is not a Christian but that his his personal problem not mine.
12 posted on 02/21/2012 11:00:43 AM PST by mosaicwolf (Strength and Honor)
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To: ColdOne
Ahhhh.. the libs at Politico cherry picking the Rev's comments on the Lib's favorite network.

Ok, I'll play..


13 posted on 02/21/2012 11:02:43 AM PST by CainConservative (Santorum/Huck 2012 w/ Newt, Cain, Palin, Bach, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Petraeus in the Cabinet)
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To: mosaicwolf; ColdOne
Obama is not a Christian but that his his personal problem not mine.

At least not until you may become more directly locked in the life and death struggle desired by muslims.

15 posted on 02/21/2012 11:11:33 AM PST by frog in a pot (I am not a birther, I am an NBC'er)
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To: FrankR

You posted a picture of truth. bttt

PROOF:

It’s quite clear why the Marxist Left never uses their Stalinist “tactics” to go after Obamamessiah’s “religious beliefs”; he embraces the same _political religion_ they embrace, ie: Marxism.

One of the questions Rick Warren asked the 2008 candidates was:

[Who are] The three wisest people they would consult as president?

Obama named two, his wife and grandmother. He also said he would consult bipartisan sources such as former Democratic Sen. Sam Nunn and Republican Sen. Richard Lugar. http://www.RickWarrenNews.com./

Notice below who Obamamessiah named in 2004 - he didn’t name ANY of those people above - he named the race-bating, America-damning hate-mongers in his church as the ones he looks to for guidance. Now he’s tap-dancing as far and fast as he can away from those “close friends”. What a phony!

2004 interview excerpts:

Barack Obama: The 2004 “God Factor” Interview Transcript
http://falsani.blogspot.com/2008/04/barack-obama-2004-god-factor-interview.html

GG:
Do you have people in your life that you look to for guidance?

OBAMA:
Well, my pastor is certainly someone who I have an enormous amount of respect for.
I have a number of friends who are ministers. Reverend Meeks is a close friend and colleague of mine in the state Senate. Father Michael Pfleger is a dear friend, and somebody I interact with closely.

GG:
Those two will keep you on your toes.

OBAMA:
And theyr’e good friends. Because both of them are in the public eye, there are ways we can all reflect on what’s happening to each of us in ways that are useful.

I think they can help me, they can appreciate certain specific challenges that I go through as a public figure.

GG:
Do you still attend Trinity?

OBAMA:
Yep. Every week. 11 oclock service. ..

GG:
Do you believe in sin?

OBAMA:
Yes.

GG:
What is sin?

OBAMA:
Being out of alignment with my values.

GG:
What happens if you have sin in your life?

OBAMA:
I think it’s the same thing as the question about heaven. In the same way that if I’m true to myself and my faith that that is its own reward, when I’m not true to it, it’s its own punishment.

GG:
Where do you find spiritual inspiration? Music, nature, literature, people, a conduit you plug into?

OBAMA:
There are so many.
Nothing is more powerful than the black church experience. A good choir and a good sermon in the black church, it’s pretty hard not to be move and be transported. ..

GG:
Is there something that you go back to as a touchstone, a book, a particular piece of music, a place ...

OBAMA:
As I said before, in my own sort of mental library, the Civil Rights movement has a powerful hold on me. IT’s a point in time where I think heaven and earth meet. ..

GG:
Do you ever have people who know you’re a Christian question a particular stance you take on an issue, how can you be a Christian and …

OBAMA:
Like the right to choose.
I haven’t been challenged in those direct ways. And to that extent, I give the public a lot of credit. I’m always stuck by how much common sense the American people have. They get confused sometimes, watch FoxNews or listen to talk radio. That’s dangerous sometimes.

But generally, Americans are tolerant and I think recognize that faith is a personal thing, and they may feel very strongly about an issue like abortion or gay marriage, but if they discuss it with me as an elected official they will discuss it with me in those terms and not, say, as ‘you call yourself a Christian.’ I cannot recall that ever happening. ... [...]

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Cal Thomas comments on the above-excerpted interview:

June 16, 2008 9:25:34
OBAMA IS NO JOSHUA By Cal Thomas
http://www.calthomas.com/index.php?news=2288

HERE: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2849274/posts?page=15#15


16 posted on 02/21/2012 11:14:13 AM PST by Matchett-PI ("Without consequences, there's no virtue". ~ Rush Limbaugh 12:51 PM, Friday, 2/17/2012)
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To: ColdOne
According to Graham, Obama had said he only started going to church because community groups in Chicago insisted he do so in order to work them.

******************************

Abner J. Mikva- Thurgood Marshall Award

He is a long-time political supporter of US President Barack Obama. Mikva offered Obama a law clerk position in his judicial office after Obama graduated from Harvard Law School; Obama declined the offer.

US Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan was one of his law clerks.

Mikva became Obama's political advisor and suggested he learn more effective public speaking from observing preachers. Mikva said of Obama: “He listened to patterns of speech, how to take people up the ladders.

It’s almost a Baptist tradition to make someone faint, and, by God, he’s doing it now.”

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Abner_J._Mikva

http://newzeal.blogspot.com/2010/05/obama-file-103-barack-obamas.html

17 posted on 02/21/2012 11:15:24 AM PST by Irenic
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To: ColdOne

“I just don’t get it, Reverend,” said panelist Mike Barnicle. “Why can’t you just say, ‘yeah, I believe he’s a Christian?’”

Why does he have to say that? Some kind of loyalty oath or what? Why does Barnicle need to hear Graham say it?


18 posted on 02/21/2012 11:18:47 AM PST by Lady Lucky ( Exposure to the Son may prevent burning.)
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To: ColdOne

Lets see... he was born to a muslim father

he lived in a muslim country

he went to a muslim school

some of his first acts as president were to call muslims countries, and order NASA to set up a muslim ‘outreach’ program.

He does not celibrate Christmas or Easter (finally relented and said the White House would get a “Christmas Wishing Tree”), but he does celibrate Ramadan and other more obscure Muslims holidays.

Told an arab country king or prime minister (I forget which one) that he was a Muslim.

Bows to Arab kings.

Can recite the muslim “call to prayer” in perfect arabic.

Says the call to prayer is the most beautiful sound he ever heard.

Says the USA is no longer a Christian country.

.....but he tells us he is a Christian.


19 posted on 02/21/2012 11:22:02 AM PST by Mr. K (Were the Soviet-Era propogandists as gleefully willing as our Lame-stream Media?)
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To: ColdOne
here's the video
20 posted on 02/21/2012 11:29:33 AM PST by FreedomFighter1013 (Obama: President Zero)
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To: ColdOne
You have to ask him. I cannot answer that question for anybody. All I know is I’m a sinner, and God has forgiven me of my sins… You have to ask every person. He has said he’s a Christian, so I just have to assume that he is.”

Sorry Franklin,

Those who support gross immorality, such as Abortion and the Gay Agenda, are not Christians.

By their fruit you shall know them.

As Christians, we should not equivocate about important matters such as these.
21 posted on 02/21/2012 11:31:35 AM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: Buckeye McFrog
What else would you expect him to say? If someone says they are a Christian, you cannot know what's in their mind or heart, and you sort of have to take them at their word.

The bible states that by their fruit you shall know them.

Obama supports Abortion and the Gay Agenda.

Obama is no Christian, no matter what comes out of his mouth.
22 posted on 02/21/2012 11:33:47 AM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: mosaicwolf

I cannot remember ever seeing 0bama anywhere there is any Christian religious symbol displayed. Not since he had to put his hand on something in January of 2009. I may be forgetting something, but Georgetown comes to mind.


23 posted on 02/21/2012 11:34:16 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: ColdOne

I’m a conservative. I believe in freedom of religion. Obama can be whatever he pleases and can tell the truth about it or lie about it.


24 posted on 02/21/2012 11:35:15 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (....The days are long, but the years are short.....)
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Does anyone recall if Notre Dame covered up the Touchdown Jesus?


25 posted on 02/21/2012 11:35:34 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: SoConPubbie

I don’t see why he couldn’t say that 0bama says he’s a Christian, but I’ll leave it up to others to determine the veracity of that statement. Jesus says you’ll know them by their fruits. Everyone can see 0bama’s fruits.


26 posted on 02/21/2012 11:40:59 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: ColdOne

Barack sees himself as close to Jesus, just not in the same way as a real Christian would.

27 posted on 02/21/2012 11:46:54 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: SoConPubbie

The Bible says, “Judge not, lest ye be judged.”

BUT..........

If it looks like a duck, and sounds like a duck, and walks like a duck.......IT MUST BE A DUCK!!!!


28 posted on 02/21/2012 12:01:51 PM PST by fredhead (It's my Herbie year...check out the number on the side of the famous VW.)
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To: ColdOne

—>>You have to ask him. I cannot answer that question for anybody. All I know is I’m a sinner, and God has forgiven me of my sins… You have to ask every person. He has said he’s a Christian, so I just have to assume that he is.”

This is the normal response from someone like Rev. Graham.
I understand what he means when Obama told his dad he was.


29 posted on 02/21/2012 12:04:12 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: ColdOne
99% of the comments on that site have the left blowing lava. Graham really ticked off the left by not just blessing Obama and declaring him a Christian.

Have any of you noticed they do the same thing with Patriotism?

1. They protest too much.

2. grief, see #1. They know he isn't patriot or Christian and neither are they. Many feel guilty about and strike like trapped vipers. The left fears their own morality and being judged for it because they know they are wrong.

30 posted on 02/21/2012 12:51:18 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: Little Ray
Obama supported and promoted bills to leave a baby, who survives the abortion attempt, to die alone without any medical treatment.

So many people want to protect themselves using the verse in Mathew 7, "Do not judge, or you will be judged" and picking sawdust out of your brother's eye when you have a plank in your own eye.

They conveniently ignore the rest of the chapter where these words are written,


31 posted on 02/21/2012 1:23:03 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: Lady Lucky
Why does he have to say that?

One thin is for sure Obama is not a "Cradle Christian".

32 posted on 02/21/2012 3:11:25 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Romney just makes me tired all over.)
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