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Santorum more right than wrong about Dutch euthanasia
The Daily Caller ^ | 02/21/12 | Wesley Smith

Posted on 02/21/2012 5:30:07 PM PST by writer33

The Dutch like their euthanasia — but sure are sensitive when a prominent person describes the horrors that medicalized killing has unleashed. Latest example: Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum criticized Dutch euthanasia in an interview with James Dobson, stating in part:

Ten percent of all deaths, and half of those people are euthanized involuntarily, because they are old or sick. And so elderly people in the Netherlands don’t go into a hospital. They go to another country.

The Dutch media pounced, mocking Santorum for charging their doctors with “murdering” the elderly on “a grand scale.” Alas, he asked for it because he got the details wrong. When decrying the culture of death, one must be as accurate as possible. Otherwise, the fish wiggles off the hook.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: dutch; euthanasia; netherlands; santorum; thenetherlands

1 posted on 02/21/2012 5:30:17 PM PST by writer33
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To: Clint N. Suhks; American Constitutionalist; Antoninus; Colonel_Flagg; cripplecreek; ...

For those interested.


2 posted on 02/21/2012 5:31:19 PM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: writer33
The Left is morally wrong. They just are. And they know it. Deep down inside, Leftists know that they are immoral people living selfish lives of evil.

And they really don't like it when you point it out to them.

3 posted on 02/21/2012 5:34:23 PM PST by ClearCase_guy ("And the public gets what the public wants" -- The Jam)
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To: writer33

The “Dutch” and the Dutch auction on death... the scum of the universe... Bullies with an accent.... Nazi enablers... that is the modern “Dutch”.....


4 posted on 02/21/2012 5:37:56 PM PST by ptsal (E)
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To: 21twelve; Absolutely Nobama; AFPhys; afraidfortherepublic; AmericanInTokyo; ...
Santorum for President Ping List.

FReepmail “Antoninus” to be added or removed.

5 posted on 02/21/2012 5:38:55 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Just so. As St. Paul says, “The law of God is written in the heart,” so that even the Gentiles have a conscience that tells them what is right and what is wrong.

And if you ignore your conscience, it can become like a “burning coal.”

Those who ignore religion and traditional morality may not know why they feel uneasy and guilty, but a statement like Santorum’s can hit them unexpectedly hard. So, they shout back, hoping that it will go away.


6 posted on 02/21/2012 5:41:50 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Antoninus
Hi, thanks for circulating all the Santorum thread to me; however...

It's too high capacity for me, therefore...

I'd like to be removed from the ping list.

(I might be on in several places.)

Still a Santorum supporter, I just don't need more info.

Thanks!

.

7 posted on 02/21/2012 5:55:24 PM PST by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: All



FReepers?

Time to put this baby to bed tonght.

Less than $1.7 to go!!!

8 posted on 02/21/2012 6:12:57 PM PST by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: writer33
Dutch doctors fail to report at least 20% (or more) of actual euthanasia deaths... Moreover, about 1% of all Dutch deaths come as a result, to use Dutch parlance, of being “terminated without request or consent” — e.g. non-voluntary euthanasia.... Dutch doctors also kill patients by intentionally overdosing them... with the intent of causing death... the Remmelink Report found that there were 8,100 deaths from intentional opioid overdose, of which 61% were done without the request or consent of patients. Now, add in, say, half of the nearly 10% of deaths that occur after Dutch doctors place patients into artificial comas and deny them food and water...

Santorum has it dead on the money.

This is not news. Dutch doctors have admitted that they don't bother with all the paperwork and they often terminate patients without asking when they think the patient's quality of life is not worth living.

So a high percentage of euthanizations are done without reporting, and done without asking the patient or the family.

I always said, if I'm sick in Holland, get me across the border.

9 posted on 02/21/2012 6:16:36 PM PST by marron
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To: ptsal; All

Santorum more right than wrong about Dutch euthanasia

The “Dutch” and the Dutch auction on death... the scum of the universe... Bullies with an accent.... Nazi enablers... that is the modern “Dutch”.....
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Absolutely! But, will that get anyone a job tomorrow? Keep a family from losing their home? Repeal ObamaCare? Solve the Immigration problem? As if the GOP Primary Process wasn’t wacked enough, today we’ve brought (1.) Satan and (2.) Dutch bullies into the mix. This whole GOP Primary season is such a friggin’ travesty of the political process the Founding Fathers envisioned for this nation. What a crock of sh** this Election cycle is.


10 posted on 02/21/2012 6:25:33 PM PST by no dems (Rick Santorum is so out of touch with the real world. He needs to learn when to shut up.)
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To: no dems

While you are busy falling into the liberal/Drudge trap of causing everyone to hyperventilate to non-issues,

I support everything Santorum said as the sincere observations of a moral man.

And I can point you to constant radical marxist communist and just plain stupid crap coming daily from Obama and his fellow crud like Pelosi, Biden, Waters, Carney and a cast of thousands of kooky leftists.


11 posted on 02/21/2012 6:47:55 PM PST by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: writer33
My dad's family came from Lunteren, a tiny but lovely little town near Arnhem.

I was there several times in the late 80s and mid 90s, both to find family and to see protection dog training. It was a wonderful place to travel. Yet now, what was once the first middle class country on earth, free to practice their faith, a model distribution of small towns and farms, with a culture of personal dignity, a strong focus on children, a high level of education, and unbelievably hard work, is now an increasingly urbanized cesspool of depravity, lassitude, selfishness, and fear of pain.

It's sickening to witness the change.

12 posted on 02/21/2012 6:49:05 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The RNC would prefer Obama to a conservative nominee.)
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13 posted on 02/21/2012 7:44:15 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: writer33
Involuntary euthanasia is almost universal and occurs in the USA very frequently.

The vast majority of terminal cancer patients die from involuntary euthanasia as they are far too delirious to administer to themselves that last push or two on the morphine pump.

That last push usually comes from a family member or a nurse.

That's easily 3-5% right here in the good old USA and it's not even legal.

It's certainly, technically, murder.

The death certificate always says natural causes.

14 posted on 02/21/2012 8:03:01 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner
Of course there are hundreds of folks here on FR and millions more in the USA that would PROSECUTE it as murder.

They probably have not sat with a family member, dying of pancreatic cancer...a big grown man down to 91 pounds and pissing black tar.

Begging, please God let me die.

Yep, most of those folks haven't been there yet. Most haven't found it necessary to kill a father or mother to bring them final peace.

They'll judge instead.

15 posted on 02/21/2012 8:11:38 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: writer33

Based on your many Santorum posts all with the comment “for those who are interested” I take it you are for Santorum.


16 posted on 02/21/2012 8:19:34 PM PST by HapaxLegamenon
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To: Mariner
These sanctimonious folks need to just keep their mouth shut, think about the reality of these things and keep moving.

There's more than one son that would have killed anyone who tried to keep him from killing his father.

17 posted on 02/21/2012 8:19:34 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: HapaxLegamenon

Yes, I am for Santorum. I have a ping list I ping for those that are interested in reading it. All I want to do is post articles, but there are those that just won’t leave well enough alone, and feel compelled to come on and attack, attack, attack.

They’re free to come on and do that. All I’m interested in is posting articles for those interested to read. That’s it. But I do support Santorum.


18 posted on 02/21/2012 8:32:39 PM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: writer33

Well I really like Santorum too and don’t understand why so many on freerepublic think that he is going to do worse than McCain if he dosn’t just concede the abortion, gay marriage and health care mandates to Obama.


19 posted on 02/21/2012 8:53:16 PM PST by HapaxLegamenon
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To: HapaxLegamenon
Well I really like Santorum too and don’t understand why so many on freerepublic think that he is going to do worse than McCain if he dosn’t just concede the abortion, gay marriage and health care mandates to Obama.

Because they're delusional. LOL!

It's the old meme, "he can't get the independents." That, of course, is ridiculous. There are more independents that don't want Obamacare and believe in traditional values than don't. And those that don't are Democrats that are unwilling to register as a Democrat.

20 posted on 02/21/2012 8:59:47 PM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: Mariner
Mariner, again, you distort what it is that happens with those morphine machines. You cannot get a lethal dose from them no matter what you do. The devices let you push a button even if nothing actually happens.

Unrestricted administration of opium products is unlawful in the United States and is heavily enforced.

I do know that in Washington Hospital Center there are nurses who have in the past jiggered the machines to administer less ~ that way they'd take the half empty containers (that are already checked out) and take them home for sale.

Turned those suckers in.

21 posted on 02/22/2012 12:07:37 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Mariner
http://www.surgeryencyclopedia.com/La-Pa/Patient-Controlled-Analgesia.html#b READ THIS.

You didn't really think those guys were getting all the morphine they asked for?

There's always a trick. I did have a nurse I know well tell me that when a junky checks in for surgery he or she will always KNOW that the machine is cutting them short. They all have high tolerance levels.

The doctors do not change the settings to give the junkies what they want ~ they have them cuffed to the bedframe if they get unruly.

22 posted on 02/22/2012 12:17:28 PM PST by muawiyah
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