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ObamaCare: Supreme Court may postpone ruling till 2016
FreedomWorks ^ | 2-21-12 | Dean Clancy

Posted on 02/21/2012 11:55:07 PM PST by STARWISE

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To: conservativebabe
There is one common thread in my research and in the thinking of those philosophers that the founders had studied and that is “consent of the governed”.

Here is the problem as I see it. The number of informed voters who understand and defend the intent of the Constitution are in the process of being dwarfed by the number who don't understand it and are anxious to give the government absolute power in exchange for stuff, ease and perceived safety.

So yes, it is all well and good to say that we should know that it is up to us to consent or not consent to the government's power, but that isn't happening anymore. When it did happen, we got good government, or at least better government. When the government feared the people, we got better government.

It is great that you are making the effort to really understand the purpose and details of the US Constitution. Meanwhile, more than half the nation doesn't give a damn. They could care less what this old piece of paper says as long as they get their constant and ever increasing flow of benefits from the government. So those of us who know the Constitution are fighting a losing battle.

As Tyler noted, the average age of Democratic nations is about 200 years after which they self-destruct because the majorty of voters who are controlling elections realize that they can vote themselves more goodies and will vote in the lying bastard who promises them the most entitlements. We are beyond that point now.

I hate to say it is over, but it is over. We failed to keep the Republic, as Benjamin Franklin implied would happen. We failed to give future generations of Americans the remnant of the diminishing gift of freedom we received. This grieves me to no end. I wish we could make all the bums, slackers, takers, and ignorant fools read, learn and know the Constitution, but we can't. The Government schools have been putting out 30 years of brainwashed sheep who mostly have no knowledge or appreciation of their Constitutional rights against the government's power.

101 posted on 02/22/2012 11:40:49 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Priority 1: REPEAL OBAMACARE)
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To: FReepers

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102 posted on 02/22/2012 11:56:20 AM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
We have government by tick:
103 posted on 02/22/2012 12:04:21 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Pravious
Part of that has to be that our candidates absolutely SUCK.

But then you have to again ask, "Why?" At some point, you start to come to some of the things Friedman talks about.

104 posted on 02/22/2012 12:05:11 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: STARWISE

Post-Regean Lawlessness. Top-Down

1. Bureaucratic and government bondage, Fairfax and Connecticut-New York City.

2. “Financial” crisis of bureaucratic pensions, and retirements.

3. Plan: Arbeitsziehungslager: Permanent leverage system to secure so called “banks”, insurance company government contractors, Fairfax government, (movable goal-post)

Purpose: to bondage every individual. Arbeitsziehungslager

3. Bribes (lawlessness)+ selective discrimination (lawlessness), to pass Arbeitsziehungslager

4. “Passed”:

5. Current: CONSOLIDATION of Arbeitsziehungslager

6. Population x MOVABLE mandates/tax/fee bondage.

7. Free-ride Fairfax, Connecticut, New York.

“And where lawlessness increase, the love of many shall grow cold.”

Thou Shall Not Steal

Thou Shall Not Covet

The Word does not go out in vain.


105 posted on 02/22/2012 12:31:13 PM PST by Varsity Flight (Phony-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: STARWISE

No time to read the comments so sorry if this has been drummed in many times ...

The article states it is great for ZeroCare and Zero’s administration that the ruling may not come until 2016.

I disagree.

If SCOTUS fails to declare ZeroCare unConstitutional this year, the 57% or so of Americans who oppose it will be much more likely vote to turn out anyone who supported it.

That would be Zero’s and the Dems worst case situation.


106 posted on 02/22/2012 1:27:26 PM PST by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: conservativebabe; STARWISE

Make sure you learn about this and pass it on to others in your class.

UCC 1-308

Does anyone sign their name “Without Prejudice UCC 1-308”? [Ron Paul’s website]
http://www.dailypaul.com/78775/does-anyone-sign-their-name-without-prejudice-ucc-1-308

THE UCC CONNECTION- by Howard Freeman
http://freedom-school.com/the-ucc-connection.html


107 posted on 02/22/2012 2:13:01 PM PST by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: STARWISE

Hope this guy is grossly over-stating the situation to get attention and donations to his website...or something like that.


108 posted on 02/22/2012 2:54:49 PM PST by citizen (The Dims will all unite for Zero. We must soon unite behind our challenger and back him to victory!)
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To: thouworm

>Talk about a headline guaranteed to make a stomach drop! 2016 far too late to save America.

Is it? I don’t think so, God can and does perform miracles.
The big question, IMO, is if we will believe what God said in the New Testament:
“if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.” — 2 Chronicles 7:14


109 posted on 02/22/2012 3:45:51 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

>They’re really begging the body politic to fix the problem. Once they dug in on letting Kagan participate, they found themselves in a credibility hole.

Many people clam that the Constitution is what the USSC says it is, if that is so then there are not three co-equal branches but the Executive and Legislature (being bound by the Constitution) are subordinate.

Many people claim that there is no way to be rid of a corrupt Supreme Court, but the Legislature CAN impeach them; but even if there was no such recourse (as seems the practical the case, given the Congress’s behavior) there is still the fundamental right of the people to “vote from the rooftops” — the Declaration of Independence said it thusly: “That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends [Life, Liberty, & the Pursuit of Happiness], it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. [...] But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”


110 posted on 02/22/2012 3:57:02 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: DH

>2016 huh?
>
>That’s exactly what I would expect from a “stacked” court. Doesn’t it seem strange that the decision will be made AFTER Obama’s reign?

It does, it does; and it also seems to indicate that they believe Obama’s going to get a second term*.
(* Romney, in this case, would likely be another Obama term.)


111 posted on 02/22/2012 4:06:54 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: STARWISE

If the court rules the surcharge is a tax on omission of commerce... and is legal...

we’ve entered a fully Fascist system.


112 posted on 02/22/2012 4:39:04 PM PST by JerseyHighlander
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To: CCGuy

>I really hope the government starts doing what The People want and the Constitution requires. The other option is not pleasant, but is coming much closer.

It seems to me there is much wisdom in finding and joining (or forming) a militia. (Also in stockpiling ammo, food, and field gear.)


113 posted on 02/22/2012 4:54:11 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Will88
Isn't it really a two step process?

1. A mandate that individuals must purchase health insurance (or have it as part of employment).

2. A penalty if health insurance is not purchased.

It would seem the argument of what is or is not a tax could only be made for the second, penalty stage.

The Administration is [NOW] arguing before SCOTUS that the mandate is a "tax" - which is something that the Administration said IT WAS NOT when the bill was being debated in Congress.

Talk about talking out both sides of your ass ...

If the Administration is successful at SCOTUS [arguing the mandate is a "tax"], then the fine for NOT purchasing insurance IS legal.

If SCOTUS rules that the mandate IS NOT a "tax" [or that Congress exceeded its taxing authority] or that it violates the Commerce Clause [which it obviously does], the penalty would also be null and void ...

114 posted on 02/22/2012 8:32:40 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: nutmeg
Are ya kidding me? I am afraid we will not last until the end of this year.

By 2016 it is certain that some of the present members of SCOTUS will be gone.

115 posted on 02/23/2012 5:32:22 AM PST by mware (By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West)
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To: STARWISE

Even if the SCOTUS were to overturn 0bamacare tomorrow, the 0bama regime would simply ignore their ruling just like they’ve ignored upholding the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) which is Federal Law.


116 posted on 02/24/2012 10:01:00 AM PST by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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