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The Tea Party Needs Allies (leaders outside their class and kind)
The American Spectator ^ | February 22, 2012 | William Tucker

Posted on 02/22/2012 3:32:24 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

......Deference to leaders who do not necessarily share your background or agree with you on everything is in the fiber of representative government. It is enshrined in the Constitution. In fact, there probably never would have been a Constitution if the Americans of 1787 hadn't been willing to defer to the "assembly of demigods" (as Jefferson described them) that convened in Philadelphia, closed the doors to the press, sealed the windows to eavesdroppers, and privately debated the future of the nation.

....What the Tea Party needs to do is look for allies. There are other people in the country who share their concerns, if not their bitterness. Who are some of those natural allies? The most obvious are people who have been successful in the private sector but who have remained true to the system that made them.....

In other words, a natural ally might be Mitt Romney, or someone very like him.

When the alliance of labor unions, urban Catholics, and Southern rednecks combined to take over this country in 1932, they didn't do it by nominating Huey Long or Al Smith for president. They did it by choosing a Hudson River aristocrat who had so much blue blood in his veins that he didn't mind becoming a "traitor to his class" and trashing a few Wall Street plutocrats along the way. They chose someone outside of their class who was willing to speak for them, yet someone prominent and successful enough to become a national hero. And it worked. Cue John F. Kennedy in 1960 for the same result.

Tea Party members seem unwilling to do the same. They don't like Mitt Romney because he is not "one of us." He had a rich father and went to Cranbrook and Harvard Business School.....

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...


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It's quite something to read the whole piece....
1 posted on 02/22/2012 3:32:39 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Am I the only one who remembers the run-up to the passage of Obamacare - when some 40% of the voting population self-identified with the T.E.A. party movement, and of that number, almost half were self-identified Independents, with even a smattering of Democrats??

Since those heady days, the Media, with the willing participation of a gaggle of self-appointed ‘Leaders’ and ‘Spokesmen’, has effectively re-defined our Movement to be a minor, ineffective, offshoot of the Republican Party...

I was a member of the T.E.A. Party Movement - I am *not* a ‘tea partier’.....


2 posted on 02/22/2012 3:52:51 AM PST by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Uncle Ike

This article is a good window on how conservatives who dare stand up to the establishment are viewed by GOP elite. I mean, really!? Someone would actually use their opinion of fly-over country and us provincials to sweet talk us into accepting Romney?

If nothing else, this certainly should make members of the Tea Party realize they have been noticed.

People like the author of this piece, they are the ones who should consider who needs whom.


3 posted on 02/22/2012 4:09:38 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: freedomfiter2

Freedomfitter2: There are other people in the country who share their concerns, if not their bitterness.

So the author is saying that we should choose leaders from the groups that are causing most of our problems. Maybe the elitists that are involved in crony capitalism should select tea partiers as their leaders.

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I brought your comment over here as I think this is the thread that will remain (from the multiple-posts).


4 posted on 02/22/2012 4:14:24 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Thanks. I didn’t see this until I had already posted.


5 posted on 02/22/2012 4:17:01 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: freedomfiter2; All
Thanks. I didn’t see this until I had already posted.

There were 7 threads! I could only grab yours from the various posts before my "mess" was fixed.

Apologies to any posters who commented to the duplicates.

6 posted on 02/22/2012 4:23:13 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Tea Party members ... don't like Mitt Romney because he is not "one of us." He had a rich father and went to Cranbrook and Harvard Business School. He lives in Massachusetts and doesn't feel revulsion while visiting an Ivy League campus. He probably even reads the New York Times. How can he possibly represent us? He doesn't share our background, our hatred of the press, our disdain for New York and Washington.

I don't like Mitt Romney and the author has failed to cite a single reason why I reject him. I do not give a damn if his father was rich, what universities he attended, or that he does not feel revulsion upon treading an Ivy League quad. He can read the New York Times from cover to cover everyday. These are but strawmen.

I do not like Romney because he is not an authentic conservative. I do not like Romney because he would suffer unborn babies to die so the can gain political power. I do not think I am naïve when it comes to understanding the pressures upon politicians who wish to gain public office. I understand the need for party discipline and compromise but murder of the unborn is different matter.

I do not like Mitt Romney because no matter how you slice it he sold out on abortion for public office or he is lying to us now about his true feelings about abortion and is actually, inherently pro-abort.

I draw a clear distinction between a politician who lies about where he puts his little wee wee (Newt Gingrich) and a politician, like Barack Obama, who countenances the murder not only of unborn babies but of babies who by a miracle successfully evaded the abortionist's knife.

Mitt Romney fails this fundamental test.

I do not like that Romney because he is interchangeable with George H. W. And George W. Bush.

I support Gingrich even as I recognize that his chances are fading for the very reasons the author recounts when he describes the frustration of the tea party. Our American heritage is literally being stolen from us and it will require a revolution, rather a restoration, to preserve what was mine by birthright and which I therefore should have a right to bequeath to my children.

I do not support Mitt Romney because I do not think he shares my anxiety, my frustration, or my sense of urgency in the need to save the Republic. If he does, he has exhibited remarkably little fervor. In any event, I am not convinced that he is the man who can go to Washington and actually reverse history new matter what his disposition.

I believe that Santorum will be properly motivated but that he will be swamped and ineffectual if he gains office and sidetracked onto social issues which are largely irrelevant to the larger picture confronting us now. He is not the man who can seize the moment, shape the debate, and leave the country in a whole new direction. Anything less simply will not do.

I don't know if Gingrich can do it, but I do know that he is the only man in the race whom we can identify as having the character, the history, and the hunger to do it.


7 posted on 02/22/2012 4:24:54 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

There is no TEA Party. There is a movement of ideas, but when you try to identify a Party that needs Romney, think again. The liberals are trying to frame ideas into a concrete organization that does not exist.


8 posted on 02/22/2012 4:26:00 AM PST by richardtavor
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To: nathanbedford

Well said.


9 posted on 02/22/2012 4:29:38 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
". . . but who perfectly expresses the anger and sense of exclusion that is fundamental to the Tea Party."

The author is either an idiot or someone who has bought into the outer reaches of PC speak. Insisting that principals and values be adhered to isn't anger and not being "inclusive" toward those who do not share the same principals and values isn't exclusion. The author is blind to the reality of the Army of Virginia and sees only a single aspect of the leadership of Gen. Lee (God rest his soul). He skims the surface of the troops in the Army of Virginia the way those see themselves as superior to the unwashed masses they're writing about generally do. He then focuses on only a single aspect of a multifaceted sociological situation that appeals to him about the Army of Virginia in hope of enlisting General Lee (God rest his soul) in his misrepresentation of the reality of the Army of Virginia and it's relationship to Lee.

Those who followed Lee didn't follow along blindly because Lee was from the appropriate class. They knew he had been a hero in the Mexican War and that he was the best of the best among West Point graduates. It was no secret that Lincoln wanted Lee to lead the Federal Army, either.

The Army of Virginia followed someone they knew had the required skills and the determination to see the war through. That he was from a different class and didn't share all their values was not nearly so important to the troops as knowing they had a leader with the experience, skill, and dogged determination to stay the course.

Santorum has neither the skill nor the determination which shows that people following him aren't angry or exclusionary, just people who don't trust those who don't clearly state their beliefs. Wait a week or so and people will wake up and look for someone with the skill and determination to pursue the war that has to be fought rather than someone like Ricky who talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk.

10 posted on 02/22/2012 4:37:23 AM PST by Rashputin (Only Newt can defeat both the Fascist democrats and the Vichy GOP)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I am sure there are many more people sympathetic with the ‘Tea Party’ than admit to it.

The movement is still outside the American political mainstream. That's good and bad, both. The MSM will continue to marginalize Tea Party views and cast aspersions upon its supporters, if for no other reason than that they CAN. That's neither hear nor there.... the movement is alive and well.

People aligned with incipient political movements are typically hesitant to openly express support. Count on it... what you see in surveys and other reports is really the tip of the iceberg.

11 posted on 02/22/2012 4:38:25 AM PST by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: richardtavor
.........The liberals are trying to frame ideas into a concrete organization that does not exist.

I believe "Tea Party" Americans, after storming townhalls and experiencing the 2010 election (who are watching Obama ignite class warfare and see Congress frozen like a deer in the headlights), are conservatives who know that they are not alone and are chomping at the bit to vote on Nov 6.

12 posted on 02/22/2012 4:42:30 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: nathanbedford
Well said.

It's Newt or neutered, and if it isn't Newt there will be far more blood than those who think this is about a minor political surgical procedure and a few regulations imagine even in their wildest revolutionary dreams.

13 posted on 02/22/2012 4:43:22 AM PST by Rashputin (Only Newt can defeat both the Fascist democrats and the Vichy GOP)
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14 posted on 02/22/2012 4:45:54 AM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: nathanbedford; Cincinatus' Wife
Excellent response to that article.

The articles supporting Romney read very much like the articles supporting Obama, now and in 2008. You could interchange the names, and the message would be the same.

15 posted on 02/22/2012 4:45:54 AM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: SMARTY
The movement is still outside the American political mainstream. That's good and bad, both. The MSM will continue to marginalize Tea Party views and cast aspersions upon its supporters, if for no other reason than that they CAN. That's neither hear nor there.... the movement is alive and well.

They went home, knowing they are a force. The Left would love to have them come out en masse. Then they could make up stories about racial comments -- plant someone so the MSM and the Democrats could accuse conservatives of being racists. No need to give them that target of opportunity.

The Occupy scum can have the spotlight and the press.

16 posted on 02/22/2012 4:51:08 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Rashputin

Thanks for the nice post.


17 posted on 02/22/2012 4:52:12 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: nathanbedford; Cincinatus' Wife

I’ve thought about why I don’t like Mitt Romney and won’t support his bid for President.

It comes down to the fact that he is genuinely two-faced. He projects one image of himself and then projects a different image of himself that more often than not is the exact opposite of his previous projection. In my mind that says he has no core beliefs that I am comfortable with.

Also it brings to mind the advice I was given almost forty years ago now. If you are uncertain of a person and who they really are look to the people that they surround themselves with, look at their friends and supporters. It is easier to project one image and have that be accepted than it is to have all of your supporters do the same if they don’t truly have the same beliefs as yourself.

Another way of looking at that, (A metaphor), is to think of your supporters being your shadow. A true shadow does exactly as you do... A false one does something entirely different.


18 posted on 02/22/2012 4:58:54 AM PST by The Working Man (The mantra for BO's reign...."No Child Left a Dime")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Got this far

There are other people in the country who share their concerns, if not their bitterness.

and decided the rest was not worth it.

19 posted on 02/22/2012 5:05:44 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Right. Then TOO, most Tea Party types probably have to go to work and can’t spend days and weeks behaving like animals and trashing someone’s square or park ... all in the name of ‘protest’!!!


20 posted on 02/22/2012 5:07:17 AM PST by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: SMARTY

Yes!


21 posted on 02/22/2012 5:09:17 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: The Working Man
....In my mind that says he has no core beliefs that I am comfortable with......

And that's why Romney doesn't "click" with the base. But like this author, much of the GOP-E see the base as an angry reactionary block, not as thinking individuals (from all walks of life) who have come together because they want a conservative government.

If anyone is angry, it's the party elites who are getting very upset at the base for not listening to their educated and connected "betters." The more Romney supporters "reach out" like this, the more they resemble leftist intellectuals.

22 posted on 02/22/2012 5:19:15 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The TEA party needs to be true to itself, it's ideals.
No personality cults. No self-proclaimed leaders.
We might agree with someone one week but we don't have to follow when he goes off the rails next week.

23 posted on 02/22/2012 5:40:55 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
This idiot missed a key point - Roosevelt and Kennedy shared the ideology of the Dem liberals that pushed them.

Romney doesn't share ours. I could care less about whether he is wealthy or not. I do care that he has no core convictions other than feeding his own ego and pursuing political power.

24 posted on 02/22/2012 5:42:58 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I read a borrowed Wall St Journal...yes, the paper version...a couple times per week. Not the whole thing, mostly the opinion pages.

At first they were all about Mitt, either supporting him or at the least advising him on how to do better than he was doing.

Now they are all about Mitt and Rick Santorum. Long articles in general defense of Rick and the social issue comments becoming such a big part of the campaign. This, from the WSJ Romney wing.

There’s an old saying, “Any port will do in a storm”.

If it’s going to be Santorum somewhere on the GOP ticket, they either pretend not to be bothered, or they truly are not bothered. They appear to be trying to smooth over any rough spots for him.

If he weren’t surging in polls, this wouldn’t happen.

But his surge in the polls has been greased...let’s face it.

First Romney destroyed Newt Gingrich. Only South Carolina stood up for Newt. After that, the deluge.

Romney’s bazillions were joined by GOP E Media attacks.

Rush and Levin, especially, helped Santorum’s rise...Levin openly endorsing Santorum, Rush tacitly helping him while stopping short of endorsing.

All the media from all spectrums have generally treated Newt as if he had a catching disease and needs to be quarantined.

At this time, he two most qualified candidates are nothing but faint asterisks. Perry and Gingrich.

I am angry...not on behalf of my own personal picks, but on behalf of this nation.


25 posted on 02/22/2012 5:49:47 AM PST by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: txrangerette

Do you believe the party wants the base left with the notion that Mitt will pick Rick as his VP? As this OpEd suggests to the reader?


26 posted on 02/22/2012 5:59:44 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This is another one who does not, or does not want to, understand the TEA Party. And after being told I am bitter (no mention of my guns or religion or it could be Obama writing this), I had read enough.


27 posted on 02/22/2012 6:02:13 AM PST by winkadink (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. George Orwell)
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To: dirtboy

Rush was saying yesterday that this long primary was good. That for one thing — look how it’s pushing Mitt to the Right.

I really find that annoying! Why applaud conditions where time and resistance pushes some numbskull moderate in the right direction — some establishment pick who can’t see where he needs to be (and most likely will never remain)?


28 posted on 02/22/2012 6:05:00 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
That for one thing — look how it’s pushing Mitt to the Right.

Hmmm ... Mitt refuses to renounced Romneycare and has come out in favor of minimum wage increases. That's hardly being pushed to the right.

29 posted on 02/22/2012 6:13:19 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It’s not an official, single OpEd...rather a series of articles this week by various WSJ people that write for the opinion pages.

They also had a very loooooooong guest piece by James Tarantino on how the social issues COULD work for the GOP, or at the very least, not hurt them. It was based on Santorum’s rise and the felt need for the writer to weigh in on some people’s concerns about that.

But to your question, you couldn’t miss how they reached out to Santorum and people planning to vote for him.

Glaringly, instead of trying to help Mitt by dissing Santorum, their tactics were to treat Santorum with kid gloves.

I think they realize Mitt is in bad trouble and they have to be careful how to play this.

Therefore, saying all that to say, one could not help but conclude that the WSJ Romney E is wide open to a Santorum candidacy whether the top spot or the VP.


30 posted on 02/22/2012 6:16:33 AM PST by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: txrangerette

Very interesting.


31 posted on 02/22/2012 6:21:43 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This is the same Rush who said that each conservative candidate had committed SOME departure from conservativism, in their histories, EXCEPT Santorum.

Just flat out false.

That Rush “endorsement” is being quoted on various threads to bolster Santorum’s bonafides.

So the same Rush says a long primary season is good because it pushes Mitt to the right?

Is this the same Rush who has treated both Perry and Gingrich so shabbily?


32 posted on 02/22/2012 6:33:10 AM PST by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

His premise as to why the rebellious ones - the Tea Party - reject Mittens is totally wrong. Mittens is an out of touch Mormon rich guy who runs around in limos but that is not why he is not popular with the tea party. He is a croney capitalist; a limo liberal, both culturally and economically. I don’t think “maybe” he is that. He has demonstrated that when in power as Gov. He pushed the radical gay agenda on families and children and he enacted socialized medicine in the State which came to haunt the whole nation.

The way Newt grew the conservative movement to toss the limo libearls out of leadership in the Republican party was to create a platform of reform that connected groups of people into a majority. We need that today.

The only message from the Tea Party that has made it’s way out is that they want to “cut spending.” That is not totally true. They want to cut the scope and size of government and although that will reduce spending; less spending is the result of main goal of cutting government influence and operation. So Ryan’s effort to cut social security with no government reform is off the mark. And it is not a popular message.

Other issues I have learned weaves the Tea Party together are:

Reclaim our individual constitutional rights from homeland insecurity and the Department of Justice. The domestic war on terror is for Muslims - not the elite’s American political and social enemies. Seriously, turn back the KGB. Street crime is rising and the criminal justice system is not keep the thugs in prision. The elitists have made too much of life illegal.

Bring the elite under the rule of law; both the government and Corporatists. No more bail outs. No more corruption; influence buying for foreign interests, monopolies and US Treasury access.

Bring the globalists and their agenda to heel. Kill their dreams of creating a global government to transfer wealth and bring nations under their legal rule. Stop transfering our wealth to foreign countries and enterprises in the name of foreign policy.

Stop pushing smut, thugs and other garabage on the American people as if immorality, disease, crime and welfare it is the defination of freedom - the American dream. The elitists’ culture is currently, downright dark and scarey. We are a majority Christian nation. We are not thugs, queers, sluts and whores and don’t want the elite pushing that ghetto crack on the public through entertainment, advertising and power. We are not morally relative; there is right and wrong and the elitists are generally aggressively wrong today.

Redefine progress as American constitutional freedom; not change to centralized power - National or international communism or fascism. That is for the Europeans. Not Americans.

Stop with the poltical correctness in the “war on terror.” Either we are fighting a war against a wacky religion - Islam - that has targeted us and our allies for destruction, or pull out of it. Don’t switch the war to focus on Americans and worship Islam in the name of political correctness.

Stop the watermelons. We have seen them in action before and know their central purpose is communism. They hate human life and freedom. Smack around some destructive globalist billionaires.

Something has to be done to stop the transfer of our jobs and opportunity to India and China. Global trade is not working to our advantage and we have the right to have our own economic interests as a nation even if the international corporatists and elitist global ruler wannabes don’t like it.

We have borders; keep them and enforce them. We are overwhelmed with too many needy people from illegal immigration. We are crashing.

There are many more issues upsetting the American public. The Tea party must reach out; but reach out in a productive way and not to the Rinos like Mittens who have wrecked everything they touch. They are the ones who have brought the GOP to a permanent minority devoid of American constitutional ideology, moral principals and reform ideas. They are a minority of losers. They won’t reach out because we are their only poltical and social enemy. They have to be defeated and sidelined again.


33 posted on 02/22/2012 6:35:50 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; freedomfiter2
There are other people in the country who share their concerns, if not their bitterness.
So the author is saying that we should choose leaders from the groups that are causing most of our problems. Maybe the elitists that are involved in crony capitalism should select tea partiers as their leaders.
When the alliance of labor unions, urban Catholics, and Southern rednecks combined to take over this country in 1932, they didn't do it by nominating Huey Long or Al Smith for president. They did it by choosing a Hudson River aristocrat who had so much blue blood in his veins that he didn't mind becoming a "traitor to his class" and trashing a few Wall Street plutocrats along the way. They chose someone outside of their class who was willing to speak for them, yet someone prominent and successful enough to become a national hero. And it worked.
Yes. But the key difference is that whereas FDR was a “progressive” (until the “progressives” wore out the welcome of the word) and a “liberal” (after the 1920s when “progressives” had coopted that word which had previously stood for exactly what they actually opposed), Romney has no track record of believing in anything Reagan ever stood for. We aren’t wanting a king who would say, “Paris is worth a Mass.” A little lip service is not what it’s about. And Romney is incapable of projecting anything else.

Although Reagan had humble roots, you wouldn’t have been able to just walk up and talk to him on the street; he was a star long before he was a politician. It was the patriotism and love of economic freedom which made Reagan a governor, a president, and an exemplar of what a president should be.


34 posted on 02/22/2012 6:39:31 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: txrangerette
.......Is this the same Rush who has treated both Perry and Gingrich so shabbily?

It is.

35 posted on 02/22/2012 6:40:13 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: SaraJohnson
.......The way Newt grew the conservative movement to toss the limo libearls out of leadership in the Republican party was to create a platform of reform that connected groups of people into a majority. We need that today.........

But there was Mitt saying "I don't care about the poor (they have their safety net and I'll fix it if it needs it) or the rich (they are fine...) but the middle class (I guess us yahoos this writer is addressing in his piece who don't know a "good" thing when it's offered) they need me." Hardly the same thing as Newt who will pull the country together -- who knows all have worth and that all are needed in order to succeed.

36 posted on 02/22/2012 6:45:09 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Rush and Levin agree with the WSJ Romney E to this extent...

They have been hostile or non-supportive or dismissive of the two candidates that none of them felt they could deal with on THEIR terms, not the two candidate’s terms...

Perry and Gingrich.

Think of it.

Also, those two are not lawyers.

Romney, Santorum, even Michelle Bachmann for whom Levin and Rush had very kind words despite her obvious problems...attorneys all.

Rush has attorneys throughout his family.

Levin IS one.

The WSJ Romney E and the supposed conservative radio talkers are meeting in agreement, no matter how they claim otherwise.

They certainly agree, no Rick Perry, no Newt Gingrich.

And are busy as bees spinning for anyone but those two, who has a shot to win.


37 posted on 02/22/2012 6:49:01 AM PST by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“When the alliance of labor unions, urban Catholics, and Southern rednecks combined to take over this country in 1932, they didn’t do it by nominating Huey Long or Al Smith for president. They did it by choosing a Hudson River aristocrat who had so much blue blood in his veins that he didn’t mind becoming a “traitor to his class” and trashing a few Wall Street plutocrats along the way.”

Remind me again how that worked out?


38 posted on 02/22/2012 7:04:38 AM PST by BO Stinkss
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To: txrangerette

There is definitely something they’re not expressing honestly about why they have gone to bat for the others but not Perry and Gingrich. It is very odd.


39 posted on 02/22/2012 7:04:53 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

It is mainly because the GOP E comes from the same class and culture as the DNC E. They live in the same areas, went to the same schools, and have a very similar world view. They truly don’t understand the non elite culture or worldview, and look upon most of us with disdain.

The GOP E doesn’t understand the TEA party people, because they are so different they might as well be from Mars. The article is spot on in that if you want to advance the TEA party agenda, you need someone in the elite to go to bat for you. Otherwise you are not going to get the traction needed to continue. Look at all the GOP freshmen congress men. They have been shunned and shut out by in large because they are to far away from what the Elite believe.

The sad thing is we have and have had a noble class for some time now. If you don’t win converts among them, you will not be able to advance your agenda.


40 posted on 02/22/2012 7:08:54 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
It is mainly because the GOP E comes from the same class and culture as the DNC E. They live in the same areas, went to the same schools, and have a very similar world view. ......

Bump!

41 posted on 02/22/2012 7:14:11 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: BO Stinkss
Remind me again how that worked out?

LOL.

Hell, I'm just some dumb yokel.


42 posted on 02/22/2012 7:16:20 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"a natural ally might be Mitt Romney, or someone very like him."

Milton Friedman: "People have a great misconception in this way, they think way they solve things by electing the right people. Its nice to elect the right people, but that isn’t the way you solve them. The way you solve things is by making it politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right things!"

Well, if you agree with Friedman and if, as many here believe, Romney will do the right thing if it is "politcally profitable", then Romney would be that natural ally. (Romney - "I believe in a lot of things the Tea Party believes in.")

43 posted on 02/22/2012 7:16:37 AM PST by LZ_Bayonet ( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Exactly.

Rush has said he won’t endorse, because he has to be careful to preserve his ability to support the ulitmate nominee.

Levin has been the most openly critical of Romney, but has already said he will vote for him if need be to rid us of Obama.

But sweep away their self serving statements and get down to the bottom line...

They are stretching and twisting themselves into corkscrews over helping some candidates and not others. Ignoring bad things about certain ones and magnifying things about others out of all proportion.

And in the end, they and the WSJ who has been for Romney but is now open to Santorum, agree on which candidates are underserving of support or defense.

And those candidates are the most qualified ones to lead a nation in these times.

And those candidates are not lawyers.


44 posted on 02/22/2012 7:22:41 AM PST by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: LZ_Bayonet; Cincinatus' Wife

Romney’s words are meaningless.

Too many incarnations.

Liberal.

Moderate.

Conservative.

Blowing with the political winds.

With ever changing words.


45 posted on 02/22/2012 7:28:02 AM PST by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The whole article is a setup to this sentence:

Once Santorum starts spouting about banning birth control and abolishing public schools, he will be like those Populists who were suddenly heard sprinkling their calls for free coinage of silver with vegetarianism and mystical interpretations of the Bible -- the things that historian Richard Hofstadter said reflected "too many long nights on the prairie."

The author knows this is a completely false analogy but wants to make it anyway, and in doing so completely loses his argument.

46 posted on 02/22/2012 9:34:08 AM PST by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: txrangerette; Cincinatus' Wife; onyx; hoosiermama
Now they are all about Mitt and Rick Santorum. Long articles in general defense of Rick and the social issue comments becoming such a big part of the campaign. This, from the WSJ Romney wing.

... Rush and Levin, especially, helped Santorum's rise...Levin openly endorsing Santorum, Rush tacitly helping him while stopping short of endorsing.

All the media from all spectrums have generally treated Newt as if he had a catching disease and needs to be quarantined.

Glaringly, instead of trying to help Mitt by dissing Santorum, their tactics were to treat Santorum with kid gloves.

I think they realize Mitt is in bad trouble and they have to be careful how to play this.

Yes! Nobody from GOP-E came out at Santorum, the way they came out at Gingrich not just personally but also sought to destroy his small government / Reaganite / Tea Party credentials ("Reagan didn't really like him | he dissed Reagan 'in private' | he was a 'lobbyist' | he was 'ethically challenged' and 'fined' by Congress | his Congress 'colleagues' didn't like him | he was 'erratic' and not focused...)

Rush is now "carrying water" for Santorum, trying to "explain" and "translate" him positively in the way he was "carrying water" for Bush, McCain and Romney, but was regularly negatively "translating" Newt Gingrich, even after Newt explained to him and audience the problems he was seeing ("Ryan's Medicare plan," Boehner's budget fight and government shutdown and other strategy mistakes by GOP Congress) and where he wanted to take the party.

Others (like Levin) have either endorsed Santorum or have no problems with another big government guy, as long as he is social conservative.

See The GOP's Working Class Muddle (Santorum, Romney and class-warfare) - FR, 2012 February 02 / WSJ, by Kimberley A. Strassel, 2012 January 06

Nobody is even trying to link Romney and/or Santorum to Reagan or Tea Party movement. But that is OK with them, that absurdly vicious overkill attack was only aimed at Gingrich.

Newt is the only one in the race to represent small government / Tea Party, and they are afraid to death of him... Santorum, not really a problem to them, he is one of them, the insider playing outsider.

Romney vs Santorum is like Clinton vs Obama 4 years ago - Dems knew Clinton was one of them (it was her turn), but Obama was fine with them too - both were Alinsky disciples.

Santorum is not getting vetted, and whatever the flaws are, they are being smoothed or hidden by omission or commission behind the veneer of the "man from steel [union] town" ("place called Hope" anyone?) by elite in "conservative" media) for the exact same reason they all so furiously attacked Newt from the left (calling him anti-capitalist) for exposing Romney, actually accusing Newt of attacking "from the left" their chosen favorite son.

Santorum is their "strategic alternative" - Santorum/Romney is fine with them just as it would be Romney/Santorum (or other accepted "social conservative" to "balance" the ticket.

Gingrich is a "leper" to them all (including Rush, who Newt expected would be naturally receptive to his ideas, or at least not an enemy) because of Newt's small government mindset and Tea Party credentials.

If the Tea Party people don't get organized and vote now in support of Newt, they will not have a champion or representation in Washington, they'll be fractured and marginalized, from both the Right elite and the Left, time and again - they'll be just another small "group" / faction, like [now badly fractured] social conservatives, that the GOP-E will only cater to when they need votes.

47 posted on 02/22/2012 11:27:02 AM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: txrangerette; Cincinatus' Wife
They are stretching and twisting themselves into corkscrews over helping some candidates and not others. Ignoring bad things about certain ones and magnifying things about others out of all proportion. And in the end, they and the WSJ who has been for Romney but is now open to Santorum, agree on which candidates are undeserving of support or defense.

I usually think of pretzels in this context, instead of corkscrews, but that's exactly right and has been pretty transparent since SC - FL time frame.

48 posted on 02/22/2012 11:37:36 AM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: CutePuppy; Cincinatus' Wife

Thanks, cp, for the added analysis.

Today Rush did try to tie Reagan to Santorum. CW heard it, although I didn’t.

Seems he said Reagan spoke of family values and of evil, and that the left tried to get Reagan to back down but he didn’t, and now they try to get Santorum to back down because they hate him like they hated Reagan, so that’s how Rush tried to tie them in.

Hello??

The left also hate Sarah Palin, Rick Perry and Newt Gingrich.

But that doesn’t qualify as tying into Reagan, in Rush’s book, if your name is Newt Gingrich.


49 posted on 02/22/2012 12:12:23 PM PST by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: CutePuppy; txrangerette

Bump!!


50 posted on 02/22/2012 12:24:20 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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