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Team Santorum: America is with Rick on belief in the existence of the devil
Washington Examiner ^ | 02/22/2012 | Byron York

Posted on 02/22/2012 12:54:19 PM PST by SeekAndFind

MESA, Ariz. -- Some of Rick Santorum's advisers are frustrated and angry that reporters are focusing more on their candidate's statements about Satan than on his positions on the issues. Here in Arizona Tuesday, Santorum faced repeated questioning about portions of a 2008 speech at a Catholic university in Florida in which he said, "Satan is attacking the great institutions of America."

"I don't know what's newsmaking that Rick Santorum believes in right and wrong, good and evil, God and the devil," says one campaign aide. "I really don't know how that's out of the mainstream."

It's not. In 2007, the Gallup polling organization asked Americans whether they believe in God, in heaven, in hell, and in the devil. The results: 86 percent of those questioned said they believed in God, 81 percent in heaven, 70 percent in the devil, and 69 percent in hell.

Just 21 percent of those questioned said they do not believe in the devil, giving Satan a healthy 70-21 believe/disbelieve ratio. (Eight percent said they weren't sure.)

Santorum's aides believe it is unfair that reporters are asking questions about aspects of Santorum's faith and not asking similar questions about Mitt Romney's. Of course, Santorum has spoken more publicly about the details of his religious beliefs than Romney has, and that is why some of the questions are popping up now. On the other hand, some in the Santorum camp are pointing to a 2007 interview Romney did with Iowa radio talk show host Jan Mickelson in which Mickelson essentially goaded Romney into discussing, off-air but on-camera, a few details of Mormon beliefs. ("The Church says that Christ appears and splits the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem," Romney told Mickelson. "That’s what the Church says. And then, over a thousand years of the millennium, that the world is reigned in two places, Jerusalem and Missouri. . . . The law will come from Missouri, and the other will be from Jerusalem.")

But specifically religious questioning of Romney is as rare as specific Romney statements about Mormon beliefs. Given the current grilling of Santorum, that is a source of growing frustration to Santorum's advisers. "Why is Mormonism off limits?" asks one. "I'm not saying it's a seminal issue in the campaign, but we're having to spend days answering questions about Rick's faith, which he has been open about. Romney will turn on a dime when you talk about religion. We're getting asked about specific tenets of Rick's faith, and when Romney says, 'I want to focus on the economy,' they say, OK, we'll focus on the economy."

UPDATE: After this was posted, the Santorum adviser called back to stress that his "off limits" point was not specifically about Mormonism but rather that Santorum alone is being questioned about religion. He asked why Newt Gingrich and Ron Paul, in addition to Romney, have not faced the level of questioning abour religion that Santorum has. In our original conversation, the adviser said, "If you're going to ask us, you need to ask everybody."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: devil; santorum; satan
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OK, Now this is getting ridiculous, especially if they bring this up in tonight's debates and waste precious time discussing it.

I wonder if Santorum will appear with ashes on his forehead...

1 posted on 02/22/2012 12:54:29 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

i have no doubt he will have ashes.


2 posted on 02/22/2012 12:57:57 PM PST by GoCards (I am a Hobbit)
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To: SeekAndFind

But wait...I thought that last year, only 50% believed in God...


3 posted on 02/22/2012 12:58:25 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: SeekAndFind
ODEVIL
4 posted on 02/22/2012 12:59:29 PM PST by FrankR (You are only enslaved to the extent of the entitlements you receive.)
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To: SeekAndFind
This is truly ridiculous. I am ashamed of the party in which I help elect people as George Allen. We should be talking about Obama and his destructive agenda not the devil. I will probably leave the republican party. I didn’t sign up for this extreme platform. Solutions are needed. Not this going overboard. Rick's supporters are making the rest of us a laughing stock. Thanks.
5 posted on 02/22/2012 1:01:02 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: SeekAndFind

What if he does? So what. What if Newt does? Since he is a Catholic as well. So what? Is there a problem with that? I’m just asking.


6 posted on 02/22/2012 1:05:23 PM PST by jollyjellybean
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To: Christie at the beach
I will probably leave the republican party.

Bye, bye!

7 posted on 02/22/2012 1:08:13 PM PST by jellybean (Bookmark http://altfreerepublic.freeforums.org/index.php for when FR is down)
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To: SeekAndFind
Of course Santorum will show up with about a pound of ashes on his forehead...

"Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of people in order to be noticed by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven - MT 6-1

Santorum's goals are to take votes away from Gingrich and hide his crappy BigGovt record...ergo running Romney VP...

http://santorumexposed.com/
8 posted on 02/22/2012 1:10:04 PM PST by Fred (http://whenmittromneycametotown.com)
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To: SeekAndFind
I wonder if Santorum will appear with ashes on his forehead...

A much more interesting question is; Will Newt?

9 posted on 02/22/2012 1:12:07 PM PST by jellybean (Bookmark http://altfreerepublic.freeforums.org/index.php for when FR is down)
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To: jellybean

The number of independents will soon be the majority/anti-you. Duh.

so, bye bye GOP ...


10 posted on 02/22/2012 1:14:18 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: SeekAndFind

What’s so hard about this? When one of these questions come in, I would just say, “sorry, do you have any questions relevant to this campaign that I can answer for you. We’re not running for Pope”.


11 posted on 02/22/2012 1:14:44 PM PST by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m just glad all those important issues are being addressed to the point where THIS is what we have to talk about.


12 posted on 02/22/2012 1:16:29 PM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: Fred
"Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of people in order to be noticed by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven - MT 6-1

I'm guessing you're applying that to Gingrich, who converted to Catholicism, as well.

13 posted on 02/22/2012 1:17:43 PM PST by jellybean (Bookmark http://altfreerepublic.freeforums.org/index.php for when FR is down)
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RE: We should be talking about Obama and his destructive agenda not the devil

Don’t blame the GOP for this. BLAME THE MEDIA.

It was their research team that DUG UP a speech he made nearly 4 years ago IN A CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY to make an issue out of it. Of course Matt Drudge played along too and prominently displayed it on his site where MILLIONS of readers can see it.

Republicans did not make a big deal out of this — THE LAMESTREAM MEDIA DID.


14 posted on 02/22/2012 1:20:35 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Christie at the beach
The number of independents will soon be the majority/anti-you.

So you think independents will rush to the party of homosexual marriage, abortion, infanticide and euthanasia so as not to be associated with those extreeeeme Christians who believe in God and aren't ashamed of it?

15 posted on 02/22/2012 1:22:48 PM PST by jellybean (Bookmark http://altfreerepublic.freeforums.org/index.php for when FR is down)
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To: SeekAndFind

As screwed up as this country is Rick is letting the MSM direct his campaign. We all know that this will be a major portion of the debates tonight for Santo. All the while Newt will be telling the country how we can get out of this mess.

If Santo get’s the nod and keeps running on these social issues Obummer is going to clean his clock.


16 posted on 02/22/2012 1:27:58 PM PST by mmanager (Reagan Revolution + Republican Revolution = Bury Obama in 2012 - Go Newt!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Although in the Christian East we begin Lent on a Monday with clean faces, I do hope both Santorum and Gingrich turn up at the debate with their Lenten ashes still in place.


17 posted on 02/22/2012 1:30:22 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: SeekAndFind

Santorum believes Satan is attacking America.
Romney believes it is Jesus’s brother that is attacking America.


18 posted on 02/22/2012 1:34:23 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: SeekAndFind
->Republicans did not make a big deal out of this — THE LAMESTREAM MEDIA DID.

I realize this though, can't blame this all on the media. Rick brought this up and his supporters are making this a crusade vs. in which we should be using our time to explain carefully what Obama, has done.. not in this way in which the media will use it against any reforms.

19 posted on 02/22/2012 1:39:22 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: Fred

Thats a pretty lame cheapshot. Just because he brings up his Christianity publicly doesnt mean he is doing it in order to be noticed. Maybe he really believes it and is trying to spread the Word. But you bash him on by trying to predict the motives on something that he might do.

As for the President race, all three of them are big government in ways. So calling Santorum big govt just opens up people to exposing Newt’s flaws.


20 posted on 02/22/2012 1:42:19 PM PST by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: DannyTN
Santorum believes Satan is attacking America. Romney believes it is Jesus’s brother that is attacking America.

Whatta perfect ticket: Mittens/Saint Rick 2012! VOTE AGAINST THE BROTHER DEVIL!

21 posted on 02/22/2012 1:43:45 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Santorum's advisers are frustrated and angry that reporters are focusing more on their candidate's statements about Satan than on his positions on the issues.

If they expected anything else they are incompetent. Exactly this behavior by the media has been predicted here multiple times.

As for Romney's more exotic Mormon beliefs, they're saving those for the general election if he gets the nom, which is what they expect.

22 posted on 02/22/2012 1:44:30 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: SeekAndFind
Ridiculous yes but count on it.
24 posted on 02/22/2012 1:45:34 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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He asked why Newt Gingrich and Ron Paul, in addition to Romney, have not faced the level of questioning about religion that Santorum has.

Look, Santorum is the candidate who said just last October that he wanted to be a President who talked about the dangers of contraception. No one held a gun to his head and made him use the phrase "phony theology" or wax eloquent about how bad prenatal testing is. The fact that his staff is surprised at all the heat they're getting tells me they're simply not ready for prime time.

25 posted on 02/22/2012 1:47:31 PM PST by Mangia E Statti Zitto
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To: SeekAndFind

A biblical worldview includes the following beliefs:

•absolute moral truth exists
•the Bible is totally accurate in all of the principles it teaches
•Satan is considered to be a real being or force, not merely symbolic
•a person cannot earn their way into Heaven by trying to be good or do good works
•Jesus Christ lived a sinless life on earth
•God is the all-knowing, all-powerful creator of the world who still rules the universe today


26 posted on 02/22/2012 1:49:18 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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I wonder if Santorum will appear with ashes on his forehead...

What is on your head, considering where you seem to keep it?

27 posted on 02/22/2012 1:49:39 PM PST by itsahoot (Much easier to tear down a building, than to build one. Bigger mess too.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Simple, just blame the media. Saint Rick says he’s no manager, and no visionary, blame the media. Wacky Saint Rick loses in November? Blame the media.


28 posted on 02/22/2012 1:51:19 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Mangia E Statti Zitto

RE: Santorum is the candidate who said just last October that he wanted to be a President who talked about the dangers of contraception.

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Interesting. Can you cite for us the reliable link for this? Just for our edification. Thanks.


29 posted on 02/22/2012 1:51:30 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Revolting cat!

RE: Saint Rick says he’s no manager, and no visionary, blame the media

When did he say that?


30 posted on 02/22/2012 1:52:51 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2849592/posts


31 posted on 02/22/2012 1:54:28 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Santorum interview
33 posted on 02/22/2012 2:03:11 PM PST by Mangia E Statti Zitto
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To: Revolting cat!

So, let’s put in the full quote and NOT JUST STOP at “I’m not a visionary”.

Here’s the entire quote in context:

“I’m not a manager. I’m not a visionary,” he told the crowd in an apparent reference to his GOP rivals Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich. “I’m a guy from a steel town who grew up understanding what made this country great and for the years that I’ve been involved in public life, put my heart and my effort on the line to make this country the kind of country that we all want to hand on to our children and grandchildren.”

Santorum also touched on the fight over who’s the real “Washington insider,” saying the only reason Romney wasn’t a Washington politician is because he lost his Senate race in 1994.

“You hear a lot of talk about who’s the insider and who’s the outsider in this race. There’s a guy that’s outside of Washington, who was not a senator or a congressman — not because he didn’t try — but because he never got elected,” he said. In contrast, Santorum added, he was someone who was “an outsider when he was inside” Washington.


34 posted on 02/22/2012 2:05:19 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Romney’s Mormon idiosyncrasies will be grilled over coals if he gets the nomination. Repubs have been too polite.


35 posted on 02/22/2012 2:05:19 PM PST by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: Sacajaweau

The devil is hoping you DON’T believe in him.


36 posted on 02/22/2012 2:07:07 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Mangia E Statti Zitto

RE: Santorum interview

And what was the context of his discussion?

NO FUNDING FOR BIRTH CONTROL.

And he would be right about that.

If someone wants to get a condom or pills, there’s an easy way to do it -— GO TO THE DRUG STORE. It’s legal you know.


37 posted on 02/22/2012 2:07:50 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Newt will have ashes too then.

It’s ridiculous to discuss tenets of their religions. Discuss instead that everyone here has a right to believe how they choose, from atheists to any of the major faiths. Period. Catholics believe in Satan. Big whoop. It’s ok to follow your beliefs.


38 posted on 02/22/2012 2:09:13 PM PST by Yaelle (Santorum is slapping down the media with kid leather gloves and a smile.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well I’m not with him on belief of the existence of the devil.


39 posted on 02/22/2012 2:09:20 PM PST by hitchwolf
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RE: Well I’m not with him on belief of the existence of the devil.

I guess that would put you in the minority then. But that’s OK, Santorum won’t force anyone to believe in him.


40 posted on 02/22/2012 2:10:42 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Christie at the beach

Don’t let the door hit you newbie. How is the temp at Romney HQ?

Pray for America


41 posted on 02/22/2012 2:11:20 PM PST by bray (More Batting Practice for the Bambino)
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To: SeekAndFind

[ Santorum’s aides believe it is unfair that reporters are asking questions about aspects of Santorum’s faith and not asking similar questions about Mitt Romney’s ]

Let’s talk about Obama’s Black Liberation Theology. Americans will be shocked at what the media hid from them in 2008. I bet they’ll choose the mainstream Catholic over the America-hating, racist Marxist any day of the week.


42 posted on 02/22/2012 2:12:03 PM PST by KansasGirl
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To: mmanager

It is up to Santo tonight to quickly mock the media for their inappropriate religious focus, and simultaneously get the topic back to serious campaign issues.

HOW WELL SANTO DOES THIS DETERMINES HIS SUCCESS.

Luckily, he is doing this brilliantly and with dignity and not anger so far.


43 posted on 02/22/2012 2:14:09 PM PST by Yaelle (Santorum is slapping down the media with kid leather gloves and a smile.)
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To: SeekAndFind

What’s so revolutionary about believing in Obama?


44 posted on 02/22/2012 2:14:41 PM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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""Satan is attacking the great institutions of America."

CNN would be negligent if they do not raise this as an issue in tonights' debate: Senator Santorum, do you believe America is under attack by a supernatural being named Satan? What evidence to you have to support your assertion?

You have also said that some mainline Protestant denominations have essentially fallen to that attack. Would you please tell us which ones?

You have also said that many Christians believe Mormonism is a cult, is that what you believe?

How can ANYONE think this should be off limits? The man is running for President of the United States and has publicly espoused these beliefs. The people who are called to cast their vote are entitled to hear the answer...on nationwide TV.

Better now than on the stage with Obama.

45 posted on 02/22/2012 2:15:51 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Christie at the beach
I will probably leave the republican party. I didn’t sign up for this extreme platform. Solutions are needed. Not this going overboard.

If you read the article, 70% of Americans - across all political divides - believe in the existence of the devil. If you think that is "extreme" and "going overboard," where does that put you? In the atheist camp? If so, you probably won't feel very comfortable around FR people, most of whom probably believe in the existence of objective evil, i.e., the devil.

BTW, good luck regarding your quest for "solutions" that denies that there is something very wrong abroad in our world, something which people of faith recognize as an evil spiritual influence. Radical liberals have long scoffed at the existence of the devil, attributing so-called "evil" to poor education and a lack of social programs - and Republicans in general - which causes people to do bad things.

46 posted on 02/22/2012 2:15:51 PM PST by tjd1454
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To: SeekAndFind

Full boilerplate quote, spoken a million times by all kinds of politicians including Obama. If you take it seriously, you’re on the way to understanding the appeal of Obama’s empty talk.


47 posted on 02/22/2012 2:17:58 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Christie at the beach

Don’t let the door.....


48 posted on 02/22/2012 2:18:32 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Too bad the media doesnt go after Obamas speeches with such gusto. Maybe Obama would have been vetted better.
There is a devil. There is evil in the world. To ignore it is the same as condoning it.


49 posted on 02/22/2012 2:19:26 PM PST by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"I don't know what's newsmaking that Rick Santorum believes in right and wrong, good and evil, God and the devil," says one campaign aide. "I really don't know how that's out of the mainstream."

None of the media personalities, editors, producers or owners know anyone who believes in right and wrong, good and evil, God and the devil.

"How can it not be 'out of the mainstream' when nobody I know believes in it?" Doh!

50 posted on 02/22/2012 2:19:47 PM PST by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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