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UPDATE 1-Turkey keeps plan to buy 100 F-35 fighter jets
Reuters ^ | Thu Feb 23, 2012

Posted on 02/23/2012 5:10:00 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

UPDATE 1-Turkey keeps plan to buy 100 F-35 fighter jets

* Turkey not currently thinking of abandoning purchases

* Partners reconsidering orders amid delays, rising costs

* Turkey to order two jets for 2015 delivery

ISTANBUL, Feb 23 (Reuters) - Turkey is sticking to plans to buy 100 of Lockheed Martin's F-35 fighter jets for $16 billion, with an initial order of two planes for delivery in 2015, its defence minister said, amid concerns about the project's delays and rising costs.

The Pentagon has said the $382 billion programme to build the radar-evading warplane was still showing "continued progress" and Lockheed said the aircraft had made outstanding progress in flight test, training and production in 2011.

However, international partners are reconsidering their orders. Canada has called a March 2 meeting of officials from the partner nations, which include Turkey, Britain, Australia, Denmark, Italy, the Netherlands and Norway in Washington.

"Abandoning the planes' purchase is not being considered currently," Turkish Defence Minister Ismet Yilmaz said in a written answer to a question from an opposition lawmaker, a copy of which was obtained by Reuters on Thursday.

"In the first stage, orders will be given for two F-35 planes. Turkey plans in total to buy 100 F-35 warplanes," the minister said.

"As of today the total amount which will be paid under the project is envisaged to be around $16 billion," he added.

He said the level of plane orders for future years will be considered in the light of ongoing negotiations. Turkey's payments so far in the development phases of the project totalled $315 million.

Lockheed Martin, the No. 1 U.S. defence contractor, lost $31.5 million in award fees for the F-35 in 2011, the second consecutive year it did not meet

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; f35; lockheedmartin; turkey

1 posted on 02/23/2012 5:10:05 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Why are we selling out our best tech to foriegn nationals???

Ohhhh, wait...Snap...

“Spreading the wealth...”

How did I forget that at first.../sarc


2 posted on 02/23/2012 6:06:34 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: stevie_d_64
Why are we selling out our best tech to foriegn nationals???

Because from the beginning the F-35 was designed to be an export fighter.

Oh snap...

3 posted on 02/23/2012 6:11:41 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo

K...Makes absolute sense now...Sort of...

But why didn’t we sell the F-117’s??? Instead of scrapping them???

Its kinda like a progressive step you take from first, to second to third generation tech that keeps you flush in the export market, and yet doesn’t effect the way that could trump the improvements you’ve made since then...

Sometimes there has to be some sanity that has to trump, or at the least buffer/balance the economic necessities of these defense contractors...

Maybe its the control over the maintenance and spare parts part of the sale that controls the distribution of this technology...


4 posted on 02/23/2012 6:18:23 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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But why didn’t we sell the F-117’s??? Instead of scrapping them???

Why didn't we sell the F-22 to anybody, not even our closest allies such as Israel, Japan, and Australia, all of whom were begging for the aircraft? Because that was our best stuff.

The F-35 was designed to be an exportable replacement for previously exported F-16s.

5 posted on 02/23/2012 6:29:42 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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But why didn’t we sell the F-117’s??? Instead of scrapping them???

The fabled F-117 was not eligible for Uncle Sam's Buy Here Pay Here Certified Used Plane Program because of a warranty issue.

The composite materials from which the F-117 was epoxied together suffered from UV degeneration. Also, the thing required the use of an earlier type of computerized flight system that gave lots of trouble ... and it was slow!

It was very stealthy, that is until the bomb bay door opened.

6 posted on 02/23/2012 6:49:35 AM PST by Kenny Bunk ((So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out this eligibility stuff?))
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To: Yo-Yo

Well, I thought the F-22 was more of a Republican protected defence contractor project, subject to Democrat budget killing tendencies, and was never intended to be exported...Like you said...So we only get a handful of those platforms to utilize...

The F-35 was more of a Democrat politically inspired and protected project, and thus a more exportable, budgetable (manipulated, i.e.: cost over-run), and a much more troublesome project from the get go...But still an engineering “lessons learned” design...

But hey, I still wonder why there is a more eager trend to just sell this stuff out to anyone who can come up with the $$$$$$$$$$...Right???

I know we’ve been doing it for years, but it used to be a much tighter community we catered to...G.B., Israel, Canada, Australia and even Japan in some cases...Germany would be in the second tier (exporting) as well...

Most countries developed their own tech dispite our advances...

Thats why I think the German Leopard tank design is the most robust, automated and survivable tank platform out there today...Our M1 might match up pretty good, but the Germans don’t export that tank to anyone that I have heard about so far...(just as an example of this political need to export weapons tech to potential rivals issue)

Jut my opinion...


7 posted on 02/23/2012 6:54:23 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Could it be said that Turkey is buying 100 turkeys?


8 posted on 02/23/2012 6:59:07 AM PST by saminfl
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To: saminfl
The Turks were very successful with the F-104.

Perhaps they should stick with it! They don't need this fancy modern stuff ... which if their primitive Muslim Ani ever take over ... will fall into the wrong hands.

Johnny Turk, his M-1 with bayonet fixed, puttees, and a stout pair of boots ,... surrounded by North Koreans ... that's the way I likes to remember these worthy oriental gentlemen.

9 posted on 02/23/2012 7:34:33 AM PST by Kenny Bunk ((So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out this eligibility stuff?))
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To: stevie_d_64
Thats why I think the German Leopard tank design is the most robust, automated and survivable tank platform out there today...Our M1 might match up pretty good, but the Germans don’t export that tank to anyone that I have heard about so far...

Nobody except Austria, Canada, Chile, Denmakr, Finalnd, Greece, Norway, Poland Portugal, Singapore, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, and Turkey. ;^)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard_2

10 posted on 02/23/2012 7:34:38 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Kenny Bunk

“Johnny Turk, his M-1 with bayonet fixed, puttees, and a stout pair of boots ,... surrounded by North Koreans ... that’s the way I likes to remember these worthy oriental gentlemen.”

Always seemed that the NKs would go around them instead of through them.


11 posted on 02/23/2012 7:37:39 AM PST by Mashood
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Always seemed that the NKs would go around them instead of through them.

Story was that Johnny Turk had this penchant for skinning them alive, which tended to somewhat dampen the NK Communistic ardor. The UN challenge was to keep the Turks and Greeks separated. If no NKs or CHICOM showed up, their tendency was to fight each other.

12 posted on 02/23/2012 7:48:01 AM PST by Kenny Bunk ((So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out this eligibility stuff?))
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To: Yo-Yo

Well, damn, I want one then in my front lawn!!!

Woo Hoo!!!


13 posted on 02/23/2012 11:00:42 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I would add a “kill switch” somewhere in the source codes in case Turkey decides to use those planes against us.


14 posted on 02/23/2012 4:30:50 PM PST by U-238
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