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Obama: Use 'algae' as substitute for oil
washingtonexaminer.com ^ | Feb. 23, 2012 | Joel Gehrke

Posted on 02/23/2012 12:39:19 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY

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To: Free ThinkerNY
Obama "Use 'algae' as substitute for oil"

Well, what do you expect from a guy that uses sh!t for brains?

51 posted on 02/23/2012 1:24:49 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

He’s got enough hot air to power a small country.


52 posted on 02/23/2012 1:25:42 PM PST by bgill (Romney & Obama are both ineligible. A non-NBC GOP prez shuts down all ?s on Obama's admin)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“Obama Bypasses Congress In Move To Bolster Rural Economies

Tuesday, February 21, 2012 6:19:50 PM · 21 of 40
combat_boots to Oldeconomybuyer

My money’s on Florida getting a biomass thing going from Everglades algae or something similar.”

I rest my case.

Oh, and........
AFRL can make gas out of flowers, grass, pretty much anything. I have seen their exhibit and spoken with representatives. The question is the ramp up for doing it.

I believe 0bama/Jarrett, through Salazar, will ban fracking. We are not to use our own oil or nat gas. Soon, those rights will be ceded to foreign companies and countries. Call it spreading the wealth.


53 posted on 02/23/2012 1:25:49 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: donhunt
Democrats are algae. Let’s use them.

I know! We can call it Oylent Green!

54 posted on 02/23/2012 1:29:31 PM PST by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: MNJohnnie
Since you're such an accomplished researcher you may have missed the following Bush quotes:

President George W. Bush quotes compiled by Est ... there are some rough spots, and I'm going to mention ... which we're close to getting to, that we can use sawgrass ...

http://estnyboer.com/bush/term2-2006.htm

Or:

What ever happened to Dubya's sawgrass as an alternative fuels?

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070715072221AAtR4EA

But I digress.

55 posted on 02/23/2012 1:37:48 PM PST by SkyDancer ("No Matter How The People Vote There Will Always Be A Federal Judge To Over Turn It")
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To: Free ThinkerNY

100% certain way to bring America back... resign your office you kenyan fagot.

LLS


56 posted on 02/23/2012 1:39:02 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (Hey repubic elite scumbags... jam mitt up your collective arses!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I doubt this guy ever lifted a test tube! He has a magical conception of science. “Beam me up, Scotty!” Wish it would happen to him.


57 posted on 02/23/2012 1:40:46 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: CSM

NationaL Geographic, I think. Obama is stuck in the 18th Century when they thought that wealth-distribution was a zero sum game.


58 posted on 02/23/2012 1:45:16 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: petitfour
As advertised on Nickelodeon ...


59 posted on 02/23/2012 1:50:11 PM PST by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: cynwoody

Well, not that simple. Big OIl is in bed with the socialists, with the nationals. Palin could tell you as thing or two about how those people operate. The heads of the majors know they need to pander to those in political power. That said, the more government, the more inefficient becomes the oil industry. The oil bureaucracies are top-heavy, but far less so than government agencies. Pair the two and you get a close approximation to the Mexican national company, which has plundered its fields.


60 posted on 02/23/2012 1:53:05 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
It reminds me of Michael Dukakis meeting with a group of midwest wheat/bean farmers when the prices were down, and asking them, "Why don't you raise KIWI?"

Mr. Obama has no real life experience to draws from in virtually any vein of life....and the bastard is leading us. We are in a world of hurt.

61 posted on 02/23/2012 1:56:00 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (Ia)
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To: MNJohnnie
SkyDancer: Bush mentioned cultivating saw grass in a SOTU speech

MNJohnie: To be fair that is complete BS without a hint of a shred of a notion of any connection with fact. But I know, you Leftist trolls never bother letting little things like intellectual honesty and factual accuracy get in the way of your mindless adoration of all things Democrat.

Oh, how easy it is to engage in name calling and accusations motivated by lack of information or intellectual dishonesty.

President Bush in his 2007 SOU, as reported by The New York Times HERE said the following " We must continue investing in new methods of producing ethanol, using everything from wood chips, to grasses, to agricultural wastes."

In addition, in 2006 The Tuscaloosa News reports HERE"On Tuesday, with a stop at the National Renewable Energy Laboratory in Golden, Colo., the president highlights his proposals to speed the development of biofuels such as "cellulosic" ethanol made from woodchips or saw-grass."

I have a feeling that the truth will wipe the smugness off your face and make you think twice or do some background before publicly attacking someone's integrity

62 posted on 02/23/2012 2:06:01 PM PST by varon (Allegiance to the Constitution, always. Allegiance to a party, never!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I am far more optimistic about using algae as a substitute for Obama.


63 posted on 02/23/2012 2:10:37 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: MNJohnnie; SkyDancer
Bush mentioned cultivating saw grass in a SOTU speech

To be fair that is complete BS without a hint of a shred of a notion of any connection with fact. ...

Well, you're both wrong. Bush did not mention cultivating saw grass in a SOTU speech, but that assertion is not complete BS.

In his 2006 SOTU, Bush said, "We'll also fund additional research in cutting-edge methods of producing ethanol, not just from corn, but from wood chips and stalks or switch grass."

In his 2007 SOTU, Bush said that he wanted to quintuple the use of ethanol and other alternative fuels by 2017. That same year he signed legislation that mandated that "the U.S. must use 36 billion gallons of renewable fuels per year by 2022, including 16 billion gallons of cellulosic biofuel."

Here's an interesting article on the topic. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17398968/ns/us_news-environment/t/huge-federal-grants-cellulosic-ethanol/#.T0a4dnnvO8A It reports that the Bush Administration planned to spend $385 million on cellulosic ethanol. You can look up the 2006 and 2007 ethanol references in the SOTU yourself. Recent articles in the WSJ suggest that Bush's results from cellulosic alcohol spending was comparable to Obama's Solyndra performance.

Bush was a proponent of ethanol fuels, especially cellulosic ethanol. That assessment is neither conservative nor liberal. It's a simple fact.

64 posted on 02/23/2012 2:23:30 PM PST by Skepolitic
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To: MNJohnnie
To be fair that is complete BS without a hint of a shred of a notion of any connection with fact. But I know, you Leftist trolls never bother letting little things like intellectual honesty and factual accuracy get in the way of your mindless adoration of all things Democrat.

Geez, some Freepers can't remember how weak Bush was on many domestic issues. He often pandered to the idiot Greens. Remember, the great Rove was a big influence.

Below is a 2006 Free Republic posting

Post 17: Bush speaks of sawgrass

65 posted on 02/23/2012 2:31:44 PM PST by sand88 (Nothing on this Earth would get me to vote for Mitt.)
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66 posted on 02/23/2012 2:32:22 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: sydbas

I can apply many, many words to the occupant of the Oval office, but I would be permanently banned from FR.


67 posted on 02/23/2012 2:35:02 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Free ThinkerNY

He better check with his wife first, she may be considering it for another food source for the masses.


68 posted on 02/23/2012 2:41:42 PM PST by RetSignman (I take responsibility for what I post not for what you understand.)
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To: Skepolitic
Sorry but I do not agree. I'm sitting there watching the speech and I'll never forget him leaning over the lectern looking directly at the camera and him saying the words "saw grass". I was incredulous. I'll always have that image. Imagining the US depending on 'saw grass" - did you bother to click on those links? I guess not because those stories had the words "saw grass" in it. He did not say switch grass but saw grassThere were too many stories out there with him mentioning saw grass for me to put all those links here.
69 posted on 02/23/2012 2:42:14 PM PST by SkyDancer ("No Matter How The People Vote There Will Always Be A Federal Judge To Over Turn It")
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I did some consulting for a well heeled investor looking at the science behind this entire algae thing.

I actually came up with something that penciled out:

Instead of buying $100M flue scrubbers for coal plants, just route the exhaust gas into algae ponds and then sequester the NOX and SOX into the algae.

Harvest the algae, render it, and you have fuel.

Here were the problems:

If a regular coal plant requires anywhere from 2 to 4 million gallons of fresh water per day, adding algae ponds would much more than double that figure.

God gave plant cells something called ‘cell walls’ that animal cells do not have. We could get at the oil in the plant cells if it weren’t for the very durable cellulose membrane that requires as much energy to overcome as the amount you’d get from the biofuel. We even looked at spinning the oil out of the cells using waste steam.

Last but not least - light. As long as you could not waste any energy keeping the ponds lit, you’d be in pretty good shape. On the equator, you could harvest a ‘pond track’ (a racetrack cataract full of water in which you grow algae) 3 times a month. In North Dakota, this figure drops to once every five weeks.

Frankly, if you could cheaply and cleanly overcome the cell wall, there are ways of dealing with the logistics, even the water (CEO of Nestle said, “We will run out of water far sooner than we will run out of fuel”). As long as we have an EPA, only God can produce biofuel at a profit.

We actually built a practical proof of concept in Oregon to test this out. It was fun, but at the end we looked at the billions - hundreds of billions - sunk into biofuels and concluded based on the science that the money invested had to be the result of fraud - plain and simple.

The science against algae biofuel is solid.


70 posted on 02/23/2012 2:55:12 PM PST by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: SkyDancer

I suppose we just have to disagree.

But your recollection differs from the text of speech, which can be read at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/31/AR2006013101468.html.

And it differs from what I hear just before the 51:00 mark at the CSPAN video of the speech, which can be viewed at http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/190900-2. It sounds like Bush says “switch grass” to me.


71 posted on 02/23/2012 2:59:32 PM PST by Skepolitic
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To: Skepolitic; SkyDancer

see post #65 above. Bush mentions sawgrass.


72 posted on 02/23/2012 3:12:23 PM PST by sand88 (Nothing on this Earth would get me to vote for Mitt.)
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To: Skepolitic
I suppose so. When you say the word 'switch' as in 'switch grass' your mouth forms almost a smile. (try it). If you say 'saw' as in 'saw grass' your mouth forms an oval. I'll never forget that round mouth as Bush said 'saw grass' - if Bush had said 'switch grass' I would have remembered it as that. I have never heard of 'saw grass' until that night.

From Bush's speech

"This has led to the development of cellulostic ethanol, made using decomposable plants—such as sawgrass, sugar cane, corn waste, and wood products—to produce a derivative of ethanol.

73 posted on 02/23/2012 3:12:44 PM PST by SkyDancer ("No Matter How The People Vote There Will Always Be A Federal Judge To Over Turn It")
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To: CSM

The big problem with producing fuel by algae is that the byproducts tend to kill it, so it stops producing.

They need to find one that won’t die, then it just becomes a matter of scaling up the operation.

The enviros won’t necessarily like it, because some desert might die, but the US has a huge desert region where this stuff could be produced, so scaling up the operation, however big it needs to be wouldn’t be that problematic.


74 posted on 02/23/2012 3:31:17 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

*THAT* is gonna cost him the algae vote for sure!


75 posted on 02/24/2012 7:48:38 AM PST by The Duke
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To: cork
There's something wrong with him alright, he's psychotic.

Not that I have anything against the mentally ill, but there are two problems here. 1) He's President 2) He's not only psychotic but he's evil too.

76 posted on 02/24/2012 7:54:09 AM PST by OKSooner (Never take a known wise-@$$ shooting with you.)
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To: SkyDancer

Well, if it was stupid of George Bush to say something like that how is it not Stupid of your boy Barack?


77 posted on 02/24/2012 8:04:01 AM PST by OKSooner (Never take a known wise-@$$ shooting with you.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

he is just hoping what he can’t burn in a car he can burn in his bong


78 posted on 02/24/2012 8:19:03 AM PST by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: OKSooner

Obama is not MY BOY TROLL!


79 posted on 02/24/2012 12:46:55 PM PST by SkyDancer ("No Matter How The People Vote There Will Always Be A Federal Judge To Over Turn It")
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To: MNJohnnie

His energy is multi faceted, but make no mistake. He is not incompetent. Obama knows exactly what he is doing. Driving up energy prices not only makes his green cronies more competitive, it facilitates the socialist goal of forcing people to make do with less so we can all be equal(ly poor).


80 posted on 02/24/2012 12:53:54 PM PST by freemarketsfreeminds
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