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Concerned Scientists Reply on Global Warming
Wall Street Journal online ^ | Feb 21, 2012 | Claude Allegre, et al

Posted on 02/23/2012 9:58:59 PM PST by Rocky

Editor's Note: The authors of the following letter, listed below, are also the signatories of "No Need to Panic About Global Warming," an op-ed that appeared in the Journal on January 27. This letter responds to criticisms of the op-ed made by Kevin Trenberth and 37 others in a letter published Feb. 1, and by Robert Byer of the American Physical Society in a letter published Feb. 6. ---------

We agree with Mr. Trenberth et al. that expertise is important in medical care, as it is in any matter of importance to humans or our environment. Consider then that by eliminating fossil fuels, the recipient of medical care (all of us) is being asked to submit to what amounts to an economic heart transplant. According to most patient bills of rights, the patient has a strong say in the treatment decision. Natural questions from the patient are whether a heart transplant is really needed, and how successful the diagnostic team has been in the past.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: climatechange; climategate; climategate2; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax
A great rebuttal. Another nail in the coffin of AGW. Soon, all that will be left is (hopefully) punishment of the guilty in academia, journalism, government, and NGOs.
1 posted on 02/23/2012 9:59:02 PM PST by Rocky
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I read a report that the cold wave in Europe this winter was actually caused by melting of the Arctic Ocean causing changes in cold weather patterns bringing the big chill down toward the south. This is so complicated.


2 posted on 02/23/2012 10:04:19 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: Rocky

ping


3 posted on 02/23/2012 10:22:53 PM PST by publius321
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To: Rocky

The ‘weather’, or ‘climate patterns’ have always changed.
They always will.
Nothing we can do will ever stop them from changing.
You either adapt (and survive), or you don’t (and die).

In the meantime, life will continue on. Even in places with the most severe weather, life continues.

Penguins even make it a habit to trek 70 miles , with no food, to the coldest and most ‘uninhabitable’ place on the planet, just to give birth.

Surely humans can deal with the ‘average’ temperature changing by 1 or 2 degrees per century.

What will likely kill us all is the idiots who lust for power and wealth beyond need. THAT is the real problem.


4 posted on 02/23/2012 10:29:35 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: gleeaikin

It’s not complicated in Seattle: If the rain is warmish, it’s summer. If the rain is cold, it is winter. If you’re not sure, its either spring or fall. If the rain is coming down in big white flakes, jump in the car and spin your tires, because you don’t know how to drive in the snow.


5 posted on 02/23/2012 10:36:47 PM PST by irishtenor (Everything in moderation, however, too much whiskey is just enough... Mark Twain)
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To: Rocky
If looking for more nails for the AGW coffin, the following should be the burial vault, crypt, sarcophagi, sepulcher all wrapped into one and carefully wrapped up and mummified and buried in a massive pyramid.

Examining the projections for cycle 25 sunspots, spanning over the next few decades, we are headed to much colder temperatures to rival anything seen in hundreds of years (covering the Dalton minimum, and rivaling the Maunder minimum of the 1600's). Note how the PEAK of cycle 25, still a decade away, is expected not not even reach the LOW of the "hot cycles" from the warm periods (cycles 20 thru 23). I hate to be the Anti-AGW alarmist, but lack of almost ANY sunspots means frigid temperatures. We are going to need to burn, and as inefficiently and expansive-carbon-footprintish as possible, all our fossil fuels to stave off the next ice age to grow our crops.


6 posted on 02/24/2012 12:27:41 AM PST by C210N
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To: C210N

That’s a truly scary graph. The AGW crowd (sun spot deniers) will look really silly campaigning for cap and trade from their igloos.


7 posted on 02/24/2012 2:09:03 AM PST by Rocky (REPEAL IT!)
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To: irishtenor

LOL. Are you a weatherman in Seattle?

But why don’t the good Democrats in the state of Washington pass a law against snow in Seattle? The answer to every problem is more government control, is it not?


8 posted on 02/24/2012 2:16:45 AM PST by Rocky (REPEAL IT!)
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To: Rocky

An even scarier graph is when one looks at the ice-core data going back hundreds of thousands of years. Shows the cylical patterns and fairly rapid plunge into true, mile-ice-over-Seattle, ice ages. And we are past due. (Based on the 3 or 4 earlier cycles).

And the interglacial warm periods are IIRC about 10,000 years long. And not so amazing, “civilization” began about 10,000 years ago.


9 posted on 02/24/2012 2:35:10 AM PST by 21twelve
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To: C210N; Rocky

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/09/hockey-stick-observed-in-noaa-ice-core-data/

Here’s a short webpage with several easy graphs from the ice-core data. The first one shows the infamous “hockey-stick”. They then go back in time for longer and longer periods to show just how limited in range and extent the “blade” is on the hockey stick.


10 posted on 02/24/2012 2:42:19 AM PST by 21twelve
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To: Rocky; Ernest_at_the_Beach; carolinablonde; marvlus; ApplegateRanch; Berlin_Freeper; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

11 posted on 02/24/2012 2:43:15 AM PST by steelyourfaith (Expel the Occupy White House squatters !!!)
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To: 21twelve

An excellent link. Thanks for including that. For Algore, it’s an inconvenient truth.

And the ice ages last much longer than the intergalacial warming periods. Costa Rica is looking pretty good right now.


12 posted on 02/24/2012 6:12:01 AM PST by Rocky (REPEAL IT!)
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To: Rocky

What liberal organizations like Union of Concerned Scientists are just starting to realize is that if the left’s own global warming hysteria is to be accepted as official energy policy, we would need an immediate crash program to build hundreds of nuclear reactors. The priority would be on replacing all coal-fired generating capacity.


13 posted on 02/24/2012 7:58:19 AM PST by BlazingArizona
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To: steelyourfaith; TigerLikesRooster; landsbaum; Signalman; NormsRevenge; Lancey Howard; ...
Thanks for the ping!

Passing it on.

14 posted on 02/24/2012 9:28:59 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: steelyourfaith
Graph from the article:

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Says it all.

15 posted on 02/24/2012 9:37:09 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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models calculate.


16 posted on 02/24/2012 9:38:15 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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And get this :

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The Trenberth letter tells us that "computer models have recently shown that during periods when there is a smaller increase of surface temperatures, warming is occurring elsewhere in the climate system,

typically in the deep ocean."

I think we have a thread where that theory gets annihilated..
17 posted on 02/24/2012 9:44:03 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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An absolute Show Stopper for the AGW CULT!


18 posted on 02/24/2012 10:02:02 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; landsbaum; Signalman; NormsRevenge; steelyourfaith; Lancey Howard; ...
I am speculating that the "Watts Up With That?" website may be under attack....getting error messages when trying to access.
19 posted on 02/24/2012 10:08:40 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

There was a thread late last night about the WUWT site showing a paper trail of EPA grants to some guy. And then reports of those documents being erased from the site (or the University’s site, etc.) Somehow the grants may be illegal, etc.

You may be right that they are under attack.


20 posted on 02/24/2012 10:14:16 AM PST by 21twelve
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To: 21twelve
I posted the one about a Government Agency...EPA...scrubbing references to the Pacific Institute being Funded....

Dr. Peter Glieck heads it....and he used unethical behavioral in obtaining documents from a Private Website....and further it appears he fabricated a document AND tried to pass it off as coming from the Heartland Institute website from where he got documents.

Futher he headed up the ETHICS committee at the AGS ....American Geologists Society.

21 posted on 02/24/2012 10:34:47 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Rocky
Trenberth et al. tell us that the managements of major national academies of science have said that "the science is clear, the world is heating up and humans are primarily responsible." Apparently every generation of humanity needs to relearn that Mother Nature tells us what the science is, not authoritarian academy bureaucrats or computer models.

Better put some ice on that.

22 posted on 02/24/2012 10:41:03 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: 21twelve
WUWT is back up.....

And From this thread there:

BREAKING: Gleick Confesses

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UPDATE46: 10:00AM 2/24 The EPA was shown yesterday to “disappear” $468,000 in Federal grants to Gleick’s Pacific Institute. Now even more grants to Gleick have been scrubbed from EPA Grants Database. Steve Milloy at Junkscience.com reports:

EPA, do you know where your grants are?

Additional grants (possibly as much $647,000) to Peter Gleick’s Pacific Institute seem to have disappeared from the EPA Grants Database.

The purpose of the grants on the screencap he has is a hoot.

UPDATE45: 8:00 AM 2/24 I’ve known this for several days, but now it is in the press. The gloves are off and The FBI has been called in.

23 posted on 02/24/2012 10:49:35 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Rocky

Oh great, now you’ve done it. You know the Grand Scheme of Democratic Government.
Now I will have to report you to the Mayor AND the City Council. Maybe even take it to the top... the Governor.


24 posted on 02/24/2012 4:49:35 PM PST by irishtenor (Everything in moderation, however, too much whiskey is just enough... Mark Twain)
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Hearing weather reports her on the East Coast, I get the impession you might be getting big white flakes right now. Drive carefully. ;-)


25 posted on 02/24/2012 10:04:50 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

I happen to be one of the few that do not panic when it snows. In fact, I relish driving in the snow and take every opportunity to do so.


26 posted on 02/24/2012 10:56:45 PM PST by irishtenor (Everything in moderation, however, too much whiskey is just enough... Mark Twain)
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