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For Romney in Detroit, a message lost in the empty seats (More on Mitt's stadium debacle...)
Seattle Times ^ | 2/24/12 | NYT, WP, AP

Posted on 02/25/2012 4:56:33 AM PST by jimbo123

Mitt Romney set out Friday to deliver a sweeping and sober vision for how to revive the economy in a major policy speech. In the end, he delivered something else: an unintended lesson about how poor visuals and errant words can derail a candidate's message.

In an unusual choice, Romney gave his speech at Ford Field, a 65,000-seat indoor football stadium. The speech appeared perfectly normal to the television audience. The audience of about 1,200 people filled the screen as they applauded.

But that is not all that matters in the age of Twitter and the Internet. Before Romney had uttered a word, reporters were posting pictures showing the stadium from every angle — almost empty, except for chairs on the turf, near the 20-yard line.

On the Web, a storyline began to take hold that undercut Romney's words: big speech, tiny crowd.

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: emptystadium; mattrhoades; michiganprimary; norinos; romneycare
More on Mitt's stadium debacle. Matt Rhoades, Matt Drudge, Ann Coulter and the GOP-e must be proud of their man.
1 posted on 02/25/2012 4:56:35 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: jimbo123
Way to display that fiscal conservatism there Mitt. So how much donor money did it cost to rent Ford Field for this?

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2 posted on 02/25/2012 4:57:54 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: jimbo123

Ouch, babe.


3 posted on 02/25/2012 5:00:55 AM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: ez

Lets hope he didn’t rent Comerica Park next door for the overflow.


4 posted on 02/25/2012 5:02:10 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: jimbo123

Sarah would’ve had that place packed to the top.


5 posted on 02/25/2012 5:04:59 AM PST by albie
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To: cripplecreek

This is outside of Detroit. If you ask to rent the field for six hours....with no lights...and just heat on....I’ll bet it’s less than $10k. For charities and political events...no take at the gate. If you have a concert....the gate is going to get a percentage of what comes into the place.


6 posted on 02/25/2012 5:05:33 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: cripplecreek

In Michigan, the trees are the right height. The football stadiums are quiet and empty...


7 posted on 02/25/2012 5:06:05 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: albie

Probably not in Detroit but she would pick an appropriate venue and fill it to the top.


8 posted on 02/25/2012 5:06:22 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: jimbo123
Poor planning on his part, if you knew South East Michigan where else would he have gone?

Cobo Hall? Nope, Street Rod Show this weekend taking up the building.

Some fancy resturant in "Detwaa" that can hold 1200? Really? Their isn't one...

Rock Financial up in Novi? Can't tell ya, my guess is they have something going on...

The only other arena's about this size might be smaller ice rinks w/ stadium seating i.e. Detroit Skating Club or the Compuware Arena, again why didn't his team think of it or were they not available as well. (They could have put plywood down and covered with rugs etc...)

I think they pulled this one out of their ear at the last minute, this is much to do about nothing.

And for the record I am in Newt's Camp, I can't stand Romney, but I can't stand the spin on this story either....

9 posted on 02/25/2012 5:06:39 AM PST by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: jimbo123
Michigan trees are happy little trees.

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10 posted on 02/25/2012 5:07:36 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: taildragger

Empty stadium debacle, brought to you by Team Romneycare.


11 posted on 02/25/2012 5:09:09 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: cripplecreek

Now, let’s be fair to Rotney. It was NOT JUST the huge crowd in the seats. To be completely fair about it, you HAVE TO add ALL the other people! There are AT LEAST a dozen on the left sideline... and LET US NOT FORGET that some guy, clearly a FERVENT Rotney supporter, is standing at the fence in the foreground.


12 posted on 02/25/2012 5:09:49 AM PST by C210N
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To: jimbo123

If this had been Newt or Rick you can bet this would be front page Dudge with a red banner.


13 posted on 02/25/2012 5:11:00 AM PST by KansasGirl
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To: taildragger
Poor planning on his part, if you knew South East Michigan where else would he have gone?

I'm betting Ford Field has plenty of larger sections/rooms for marketing events and expos, etc.

Most major stadiums here in Boston do. I've been to plenty of seminars and expos at the Boston Garden (Bruins, Celtics) and Gillette Stadium (Patriots) where the event is marketed at "Boston Garden" or "Gillette Stadium" but held in a huge conference room or large hall.
14 posted on 02/25/2012 5:11:16 AM PST by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else (Maybe Tim Thomas))
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To: jimbo123

I don’t think this was Mitt’s decision. He was scheduled to speak at the Detroit Economic Club and they booked Ford Field because they couldn’t accommodate the size of the crowd at their usual venue. I don’t like the way this is being portrayed and I hate the thought of defending him because I’m not a supporter-AT ALL.


15 posted on 02/25/2012 5:11:16 AM PST by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: cripplecreek

Will Ann Coulter be able to figure it out now?

(just kidding - she seems to have gone all GOP Establishment with Mitt)


16 posted on 02/25/2012 5:11:37 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: cripplecreek

Wow, we’ve just been having our family get-togethers at my Mom and Dad’s house when I guess we should’ve been renting a stadium.


17 posted on 02/25/2012 5:13:00 AM PST by nodumbblonde ("The ladder of success is best climbed by stepping on the rungs of opportunity." - Ayn Rand)
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To: FrdmLvr

Agreed. This is what is irritating me so much about the leftist’ tactics being use by our side.

If our side is just as bad as the other, what the hell is the choice?


18 posted on 02/25/2012 5:19:37 AM PST by SouthTexas (You cannot bargain with the devil, shut the government down.)
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To: ez

Reminiscent of McCain landing in NH in 2008 for a campaign stop and only one person — a reporter — showed up to greet the presidential contender.


19 posted on 02/25/2012 5:20:04 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: jimbo123

This was a setup from the start. The Lame Stream Media was insinuating that the event was for big donors only.

I’m hoping Romney doesn’t get the nomination but expect this “stadium” comparison game to go on for whomever the nominee is. This is the oldest trick in the book.


20 posted on 02/25/2012 5:25:26 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: SouthTexas

Leftist tactics my ass. Its equal treatment.

Whine about it all you want, you know Obama and any other RINO candidate would get the exact same treatment from FReepers.


21 posted on 02/25/2012 5:29:09 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: jimbo123
Fourth down and 80 to go.

Leni

22 posted on 02/25/2012 5:32:25 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: jimbo123
Before Romney had uttered a word, reporters were posting pictures showing the stadium from every angle...

Wanna bet that "reporters" would have stuck to the White House approved shots if a Democrat had spoken here?

Romney didn't pick the venue, the Detroit Economic Club paid for this. Yet Romney gets pummeled everywhere.

23 posted on 02/25/2012 5:35:32 AM PST by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: texas booster

Maybe Team Romney should blame George W Bush for the stadium debacle.


24 posted on 02/25/2012 5:39:08 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: cripplecreek

A couple of greek columns here and there and I think he could have pulled it off....


25 posted on 02/25/2012 5:45:47 AM PST by Typelouder
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To: texas booster

“Detroit Economic Club”

Now that’s an oxymoron.


26 posted on 02/25/2012 5:49:16 AM PST by tobyhill
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To: jimbo123

I am all for this, but let’s be honest: this happens to Obama, too...but the media doesn’t focus on it. Only on Republicans will this be reported when it happens.

The only similar picture I recall was from a few years ago. Cindy Sheehan, that woman who was praised by the media for hating Bush, held a protest event. Some conservative blog (maybe the people at the Weekly Standard? I don’t remember) published a “wide shot” of the event. For every “average citizen” in attendance, there were probably 8 or 9 “journalists”.

And many times Santorum was lauded for his approach in Iowa: speaking to even two or three people at a time, regardless of the venue.


27 posted on 02/25/2012 5:56:22 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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In Michigan, the trees are the right height

Can you help me out? I think I've missed something about the trees comment. Other than just being a dumb statement, is this in reference to something else, a different joke from elsewhere?

28 posted on 02/25/2012 6:06:04 AM PST by CAluvdubya
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They should have promised a free rock concert along with


29 posted on 02/25/2012 6:07:11 AM PST by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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Mitt Romney: “Michigan’s Trees are Just the Right Height”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/2848349/posts

The odd thing is that it sounds like he went with the same bizarre comments last night.


30 posted on 02/25/2012 6:13:19 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: CAluvdubya

Background on Romney’s tree speech:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHaMqHh5NZ4


31 posted on 02/25/2012 6:14:17 AM PST by jimbo123
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Thanks, the man is truly an idiot.

I've seen better speeches given by our 5th graders running for student council!

32 posted on 02/25/2012 6:21:04 AM PST by CAluvdubya
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To: CAluvdubya
I've seen better speeches given by our 5th graders running for student council!

And the GOP-e have told us that this is the man who will defeat Obama?
33 posted on 02/25/2012 6:27:11 AM PST by jimbo123
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To: cripplecreek

Oh BS and I’m not whining about it, I am disgusted with the whole thing.

It’s not equal treatment, it’s fabricating shit out of nothing. Romney did not set up the venue, but feel free to go left on him.

Have never been Romney supporter, but if you look close enough at the others, they ARE RINOs too, I.E. professional politicians.


34 posted on 02/25/2012 6:29:57 AM PST by SouthTexas (You cannot bargain with the devil, shut the government down.)
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To: nhwingut
"I'm betting Ford Field has plenty of larger sections/rooms for marketing events and expos, etc."

? - I don't understand the point. If those rooms are for events etc. they were probably booked too. It was a Detroit Economic Club event and they moved it at the last minute to provide more room. In fact they may very well have originally scheduled it for one of the smaller rooms.

Again, it was the Detroit Economic Club that set up the event and paid for the room. If it had been Obama the media would not have mentioned it.

35 posted on 02/25/2012 7:04:39 AM PST by LZ_Bayonet ( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
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Note that Ford Field is a regular venue for the Detroit Economic Club meetings:
http://www.econclub.org/Meetings/VenueInformation.aspx


36 posted on 02/25/2012 7:27:37 AM PST by LZ_Bayonet ( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
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Savvy campaign operatives know how devastating empty chairs at a rally are to the campaign’s image. Years ago I had a business seminar scheduled in Mount Pleasant, Michigan in a hotel meeting room that, in a U-shapaed set, would comfortably hold about 25, the size of group expected. A couple of days before the meeting the hotel event coordinator called and asked if I would mind being moved to another much larger meeting room; she said they would put up screens so we didn’t look lost in the grand ballroom. I didn’t mind, and agreed. On the day of the function, I wandered by the meeting room I had originally booked and saw that it was set up with a podium up front and about fifty chairs. Some time later, a crowd started gathering and then Steve Forbes made his entrance; every chair was filled and the crowd spilled out into the hallway.

I wandered by on a break and asked one of the campaign flaks why they had insisted on the smaller room when the room I was switched into would have much more comfortably held the group with room to spare.

“Are you kidding me?”, the guy asked. “This is exactly the optics we wanted. We originally had your room booked but when we realized that the crowd would be a lot smaller than we expected we asked to hotel to switch us to a smaller room so the rally would be SRO.”

Sure enough, on the evening news that night the infobabe noted that Forbes had held a rally in a “packed meeting room with frustrated boosters spilling out into the hallway”. Had the meeting been in the ballroom, the newscast would have instead noted that Forbes had a “sparsely attended rally today at the Holiday Inn in Mount Pleasant”.

Optics matter.


37 posted on 02/25/2012 7:29:22 AM PST by Spartan79 (I view great cities as pestilential to the morals, the health, and the liberties of man.)
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Continuation of “its all W’s fault” will play from O’RomneyCare supporters, for sure.


38 posted on 02/25/2012 8:09:25 AM PST by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: taildragger
Poor planning on his part, if you knew South East Michigan where else would he have gone?

I don't know SE Michigan but come on, we're talking about Detroit, right? I live in a Kansas city of about 60,000 and off the top of my head, I can think of 5-6 auditoriums or churches that would accommodate a crowd of that size. If I included outdoor sites, I could double that number. How many universities with large auditoriums are there in the Detroit area?

The Romney people dropped the ball on this one, regardless of who actually set up the event, them or the Detroit Economic Club. Rule #1 of public campaign events - book a venue that is too small so you can have an overflow crowd. Overflow crowds imply overwhelming popularity.

39 posted on 02/25/2012 10:40:56 AM PST by CommerceComet (If Mitt can leave the GOP to protest Reagan, why can't I do the same in protest of Romney?)
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To: LZ_Bayonet

My point is to mock Mittens. Period. I hate the guy.

And my beef with Romney has more to do with what he did to Palin than his moderate viewpoints.

Mitt may seem like a goofy harmless rich kid. But behind the scenes, the Romney team is vicious (just ask Newt). They alone took out Sarah Palin. They were the ones who for two years planted the stories, worked behind scenes, trashed Palin as ‘unnamed sources’ etc.

They thought with her gone that it was a free ride to the nomination. Wrong.


40 posted on 02/25/2012 1:34:01 PM PST by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else (Maybe Tim Thomas))
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