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Don't Pick Rick
NRO ^ | 2/24/2012 | Mona Charen

Posted on 02/25/2012 1:20:13 PM PST by WPaCon

Wish I had a nickel for every conservative who confidently predicted that the Arizona debate would, of course, feature obnoxious questions about birth control and the devil aimed at Rick Santorum. As it turned out, CNN’s John King did not ask “gotcha” questions and, for the most part, conducted a fair and informative debate.

The debate moderated by King, along with other events of the past week, has resolved a question that has been swirling since the Missouri, Colorado, and Minnesota primaries: Why not Santorum?

There is much to like and admire about Rick Santorum. He did fine work enacting welfare reform in the 1990s. He was an eloquent and thoughtful advocate for the unborn. He has kept a weather eye on Iran for many years. He’s a dedicated family man. He was the first candidate to raise the issue of family structure in the context of discussions of poverty. And he had a solid, conservative voting record in Congress (with some exceptions — there are always exceptions).

But Santorum would make a poor Republican nominee.

Because he has phrased his socially conservative views in vivid terms, he is precisely the sort of candidate who will evoke a Pavlovian response from the press. Just as they were driven mad by Sarah Palin, they will be outraged by Rick Santorum. The campaign will be cluttered by the continual discovery of “controversial” Santorum quotes from the past three decades, and precious time will be lost as he explains, justifies, or withdraws his comments on women in the workforce, contraception, gay unions, Obama’s “theology” (by which he did not mean to question the president’s faith, something he’ll have to explain over and over), and so forth.

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This about sums up the article:

In fact, Santorum’s sanctimonious style might put off even many religious voters. His intense 2008 warning about “the Father of Lies, Satan” having his “sights on the United States of America . . . attacking the great institutions of America — using those great vices of pride, vanity and sensuality as the root to attack all of the strong plants that [have] so deeply rooted in the American tradition” is not the sort of language most preachers, to say nothing of political figures, employ today. American religion these days is heavy on forgiveness and light on sin. We’ve long since left Jonathan Edwards behind. Anything other than comic references to Satan are likely to give people the creeps.

1 posted on 02/25/2012 1:20:14 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: Lazlo in PA

Ping.

Charen sounds like a few certain freepers.


2 posted on 02/25/2012 1:21:40 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: WPaCon
Just as they were driven mad by Sarah Palin, they will be outraged by Rick Santorum.

Because picking moderates who won't upset liberals is a goal we should all strive for. LOL
3 posted on 02/25/2012 1:24:12 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

Picking a real fiscal conservative is what I care about most.

So yeah, echoing the sentiment: Don’t pick Rick.


4 posted on 02/25/2012 1:25:58 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: WPaCon
RINO pundit alert...

...isn't Mitt's Mona big on amnesty for illegal alien invaders?

5 posted on 02/25/2012 1:29:17 PM PST by Happy Rain ("Better add another wing to The White House cause the Santorum clan is coming.")
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To: WPaCon

So Mona thinks that the msm, ie, Commander Zero’s reelection committee, should select the Republican nominee. Well Mona, better to do right and lose than do wrong and win.


6 posted on 02/25/2012 1:30:01 PM PST by Eagles6
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To: WPaCon
...he is precisely the sort of candidate who will evoke a Pavlovian response from the press. Just as they were driven mad by Sarah Palin, they will be outraged by Rick Santorum.

Of course any TRUE conservative with compassion running for office would NEVER dare go against what the fourth branch wants them to be! /MS

Only the MSM can decide who will be the greatest world leader!

What the hell is wrong with these so called "Conservatives" these days??

7 posted on 02/25/2012 1:30:24 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: cripplecreek
"Just as they were driven mad by Sarah Palin, they will be outraged by Rick Santorum."

Let's nominate Obama, that way we won't offend anyone, and they'll become suspicious of their own candidate.

8 posted on 02/25/2012 1:30:41 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: WPaCon
he is precisely the sort of candidate who will evoke a Pavlovian response from the press. Just as they were driven mad by Sarah Palin, they will be outraged by Rick Santorum. The campaign will be cluttered by the continual discovery of “controversial” Santorum

What Mona and the DC crew don't get is that this will be true of anyone and everyone we ever run. They took McCain out of it quickly, when months before he was their favorite Republican. Bush was the most affable, likable, fair guy we've seen in that office, and they turned him into Dr. Evil through media manipulation. Santorum could win, Mitt could win, Newt probably has the hardest road of the three because he would have to change a lot of minds already made up. The media will be in seek and destroy mode on anyone we run for President, VP, or a future rising star like Rubio or Ryan. They hate Republicans. They especially hate conservatives, and they defend the big govenrment, central controlling status quo.

9 posted on 02/25/2012 1:31:53 PM PST by ilgipper (Everything you get from the government was taken from someone else)
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To: WPaCon

After Saint Ricky has lost, he will, and moved on with his life, he could make a killing as a real televangelist.

Don’t pick Rick!!!!

** President Newt Gingrich-”Our beloved republic deserves nothing less.”


10 posted on 02/25/2012 1:32:43 PM PST by Gator113 (** President Newt Gingrich-"Our beloved republic deserves nothing less." ~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: WPaCon

Everything from NRO needs a BARF alert. Everything.


11 posted on 02/25/2012 1:32:43 PM PST by vmivol00 (I won't be reconstructed.)
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To: WPaCon
Depends on whether you want to win an election or score debating points. If you want both vote Newt. Now that Santorum's fundamental story about his betrayal of Pat Toomey has been exposed as a total lie, he is a goner.
12 posted on 02/25/2012 1:33:39 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: WPaCon

You don’t have to get off on “Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God” to acknowledge the devil as a genuine malicious being, not a mere figure of speech. Evangelicals would largely agree with Santorum about that. It takes two to dance that tango of course: the devil to offer evil and mankind to accept the evil.


13 posted on 02/25/2012 1:33:44 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: ilgipper
They took McCain out of it quickly

False, actually. McCain took himself out because he is a mental basket case.

14 posted on 02/25/2012 1:35:53 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Gator113
After Saint Ricky has lost, he will, and moved on with his life, he could make a killing as a real televangelist.

Don’t pick Rick!!!!

This "Saint Ricky" circular firing squad stuff has to stop.

Doesn't it give you pause that you are attacking a candidate from the left and agreeing with an inside-the-beltway rino?

15 posted on 02/25/2012 1:36:51 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: vmivol00
Everything from NRO needs a BARF alert. Everything.

I disagree. There's still some good stuff mixed in with the RINO elitist garbage.

16 posted on 02/25/2012 1:38:35 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: WPaCon

I subscribed to National Review for many years. I stopped renewing my subscription several years ago when I finally came to the conclusion that it had become a captive mouthpiece for the RNC. For similar reasons I didn’t renew my subscription to the Weekly Standard. While not as RINO-RNC friendly as National Review has become, the Weekly Standard still was annoying for its occasional “soft” attacks on some true conservatives.

For anybody who wants to stop Romney, I recommend a VOTE FOR RICK SANTORUM if you live in Michigan or Arizona.


17 posted on 02/25/2012 1:39:49 PM PST by House Atreides
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To: WPaCon

Seems to me that the ones who scream the loudest about how nasty us Santorum supporters are always come running swinging the machete and it ain’t a defensive thing.


18 posted on 02/25/2012 1:42:01 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: WPaCon

Another so-called conservative writer that is in the tank for Romney. I’m listening to Larry Kudlow right now and he is all in for Romney. Uhg..


19 posted on 02/25/2012 1:43:09 PM PST by KeyLargo
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To: WPaCon

What in the world has happened to Mona Charen?


20 posted on 02/25/2012 1:44:16 PM PST by eCSMaster (Excommunicate heretics)
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To: WPaCon

There is much to like and admire about Rick Santorum. He did fine work enacting welfare reform in the 1990s. He was an eloquent and thoughtful advocate for the unborn. He has kept a weather eye on Iran for many years. He’s a dedicated family man. He was the first candidate to raise the issue of family structure in the context of discussions of poverty. And he had a solid, conservative voting record in Congress (with some exceptions — there are always exceptions).
...he is precisely the sort of candidate who will evoke a Pavlovian response from the press. Just as they were driven mad by Sarah Palin....


Go Rick!


21 posted on 02/25/2012 1:44:27 PM PST by CainConservative (Santorum/Huck 2012 w/ Newt, Cain, Palin, Bach, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Petraeus in the Cabinet)
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To: House Atreides

I think Santorum will pull off a narrow win in Michigan. Even many Gingrich supporters here seem to be taking the pragmatic route and voting for Santorum while supporting Gingrich otherwise.


22 posted on 02/25/2012 1:45:04 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: WPaCon

I am sick of so-called conservatives who continue to surrender to, and run scared from, the scumbag Democrat “mainstream” newsrooms. There’s a reason Newt gets standing ovations at debates, and it’s because he is ready, willing, and able to bitch-slap the Democrat “mainstream” newsroom hacks who pose ridiculous questions.

Since you can’t fight it, Mona, you may as well go ahead and try to enjoy yourself.


23 posted on 02/25/2012 1:45:13 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: WPaCon

Where were you and the other Santorum folks, when Newt was/is under attack?

Don’t pick Rick!!

** President Newt Gingrich-”Our beloved republic deserves nothing less.”


24 posted on 02/25/2012 1:46:18 PM PST by Gator113 (** President Newt Gingrich-"Our beloved republic deserves nothing less." ~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: WPaCon

Everyone’s gone to the moon??


25 posted on 02/25/2012 1:47:01 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: cripplecreek

Yes.

I don’t really have much of a preference between him and Newt, but the attacks on Santorum should stop. No one was criticizing Newt in the way Santorum is being criticized. I think a bunch of the Santorum haters may actually prefer Romney but are forced to express that support for him in criticisms of Santorum.


26 posted on 02/25/2012 1:48:27 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: WPaCon

I will if I want to, Mona. What are you going to do about - vote for Zero?


27 posted on 02/25/2012 1:49:22 PM PST by Tax-chick (I used to be difficult, but after watching 46 episodes of "Lie to Me," I'm impossible!)
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To: DannyTN

“Let’s nominate Obama, that way we won’t offend anyone, and they’ll become suspicious of their own candidate.”

LOL! I like the way you think!


28 posted on 02/25/2012 1:50:11 PM PST by tanuki (Left-wing Revolution: show biz for boring people.)
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To: WPaCon
No one was criticizing Newt in the way Santorum is being criticized.

The hell they weren't. The attacks against Newt were far worse.
29 posted on 02/25/2012 1:51:44 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: Gator113

I’m not even a Santorum supporter, really.

Just a supporter of the conservative most likely to win.

Since his campaign gained steam, I’ve never seen Newt attacked on this site the way Santorum gets attacked.


30 posted on 02/25/2012 1:51:51 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: WPaCon

Actually I think a fair number of the Santorum attackers are Paulbots. You might have noticed that they’ve become virtually invisible around here lately.

I’m not even getting any Ron Paul FReepmail spam.


31 posted on 02/25/2012 1:52:55 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Gator113

You do realize you sound like a child. I have been supporting Newt but because of the childish and nasty behavior of a lot of Newt supporters, I’m seriously rethinking my support.

It is unbelievable to me that some supposed adults around here can’t support their candidate without name calling another good candidate.

You also do realize that you’re the one behaving like you have bestowed sainthood on Newt.


32 posted on 02/25/2012 1:53:14 PM PST by beandog (Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand)
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To: WPaCon
As it turned out, CNN’s John King did not ask “gotcha” questions and, for the most part, conducted a fair and informative debate.

Because Newt brought up the President's record on infanticide. Newt's comment was EXTREME. Yet no followup from King. Curious wasn't it. Did anyone hear it replayed in the news segments in the following hours and days. No. If the press wants to bring up Santorums so-called impolite and unpalatable views on social issues, they sure seemed to be nervous about pursuing it once they opened that line of questioning during the debate.

33 posted on 02/25/2012 1:53:25 PM PST by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid)
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To: Utmost Certainty
The hell they weren't. The attacks against Newt were far worse.

Newt was unpopular here for a while before his presidential campaign started picking up. Since then, I have not seen much criticism of Gingrich at all on this site.

34 posted on 02/25/2012 1:55:03 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: WPaCon; Jim Robinson

In my opinion, thread titles that rip Rick Santorum should be minimized before the MI primary. If FR wants to save the nation from the Rominee, we MUST be a pro-Santorum site at least until Wednesday. I know the official candidate for FR is Newt Gingrich. But we NEED to stop the momentum Romney would get if he wins Michigan. Do you want him to have Big Mo for Super Tuesday??????

A single not unpleasant Romney supporter was just banned on a thread. His pro-Romney statements were buried in a thread and most people would not have seen them. Blatant anti-Santorum titles before Tuesday will have FAR MORE EFFECT on helping Romney than one lone Romney fan who didn’t sound very convincing, inside of threads. Headlines catch people’s attention, and on mobile devices sometimes people waiting for things in their lives will ONLY SEE the headlines on FR.

Just a suggestion.


35 posted on 02/25/2012 1:55:03 PM PST by Yaelle (Rick Santorum 2012)
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To: cripplecreek

That does make sense, since the Santorum critics are most critical about his stances on social issues.


36 posted on 02/25/2012 1:56:45 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: Yaelle

Maybe I should have put a barf alert next to the title.

I decided not to because Charen’s views seems to be shared by a large contingency of posters here, and I did not find the article extreme enough to warrant a barf alert.

I thought I’d just voice my displeasure in the comments section.


37 posted on 02/25/2012 1:59:39 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: CainConservative

I don’t know about you, but to paraphrase an old quote, the only thing we have to fear is liberals being “driven mad” with fear of Sarah Palin (or Rick Santorum). Errr.... why is that such a bad thing again?


38 posted on 02/25/2012 2:02:17 PM PST by alstewartfan (27 of 36 of Romney's judicial appointments were DEMOCRATS!!!!!)
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To: WPaCon
GOP TRAINED, TRAINED GOP
39 posted on 02/25/2012 2:02:34 PM PST by FrankR (You are only enslaved to the extent of the entitlements you receive.)
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To: WPaCon

Santorum’s going to insure 4 more years of Obama. I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t think I am.


40 posted on 02/25/2012 2:02:34 PM PST by Signalman
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To: WPaCon
Pick Rick where Rick is strong, pick Newt where Newt is strong.

Once Willard goes back to Michigan (or Massachusetts), Rick & Newt can slug it out for the nomination.

41 posted on 02/25/2012 2:05:38 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Signalman

Honestly, I don’t see any of our candidates taking out Obama.

It’s a shame we can’t field a candidate that’s been in office since early 2007. And, yeah, I’m not counting Paul.

Where are the current Republican governors or senators? Too bad Perry’s campaign fizzled.


42 posted on 02/25/2012 2:09:54 PM PST by WPaCon
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To: WPaCon

Holy mackerel. Is everyone at NRO jumping on Rick at the same time? That’s two posted here this afternoon.

I don’t bother to visit NRO any more. It’s really gotten pretty worthless. Why bother to read the rest of the article when you know exactly what they’re going to say, and the whole thing is nothing but axe grinding for some RINO insider like Romney.


43 posted on 02/25/2012 2:13:37 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: WPaCon
Because he has phrased his socially conservative views in vivid terms, he is precisely the sort of candidate who will evoke a Pavlovian response from the press.

News flash to Romney pimps - the press will do just that to anyone who wins the GOP nomination.

44 posted on 02/25/2012 2:15:12 PM PST by dirtboy
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To: CainConservative

“...a Pavlovian response from the press.” At least Mona is correct in her comparison of the MSM to drooling dogs.


45 posted on 02/25/2012 2:16:07 PM PST by abclily
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To: skeeter

It seems so simple, doesn’t it?


46 posted on 02/25/2012 2:17:09 PM PST by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: WPaCon

Please pick Rick Santorum. He is the only viable choice.


47 posted on 02/25/2012 2:22:28 PM PST by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: WPaCon

If we allowed the press to decide the best presidential candidate we might as well put Obama on the ticket for both parties and be done with it.


48 posted on 02/25/2012 2:25:58 PM PST by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: Gator113
After Saint Ricky has lost, he will, and moved on with his life, he could make a killing as a real televangelist.

Wait, you mean you don't want to nominate a candidate who thinks it is his job to lecture us all about the evils of contraception as President?

Because, you know, it is such an election winner of a message and all:

“One of the things that I will talk about that no president has talked about before is, I think, the dangers of contraception in this country.”

Oh Rick droned on and informs us all that contraception is "not okay".

Now this is not just something he said in a church somewhere. This IS Rick Santorum. He believes it is his role as a President to give the country a good lecture on contraception. And people are taking this guy seriously? Come on, there was a reason no one paid attention to him just a few months ago - he isn't electable in a general election. The only reason he is still around at all is because he was such an afterthought that no one bothered attacking him till recently.

Newt is really our only serious alternative to Romney.

49 posted on 02/25/2012 2:31:56 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: WPaCon

“Honestly, I don’t see any of our candidates taking out Obama.

It’s a shame we can’t field a candidate that’s been in office since early 2007. And, yeah, I’m not counting Paul.

Where are the current Republican governors or senators? Too bad Perry’s campaign fizzled.”

I hope you are not correct but if the election is remotely close in favor of the Republican there will be Democrat court challenges up to and including the Supreme Court.


50 posted on 02/25/2012 2:34:33 PM PST by KeyLargo
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