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Cost Overruns On USS Gerald Ford Could Top $1 Billion
Outside The Beltway ^ | 1/2/2012 | Doug Mataconis

Posted on 02/25/2012 7:20:13 PM PST by U-238

The first in the Navy’s new class of supercarriers is likely to end up costing a lot more than anticipated:

The U.S. Navy has estimated a worst-case cost overrun of as much as $1.1 billion for the aircraft carrier USS Gerald R. Ford, the service’s most expensive warship.

The carrier is being built by Huntington Ingalls Industries under a cost-plus, incentive-fee contract in which the Navy pays for most of the overruns. Even so, the service’s efforts to control expenses may put the company’s $579.2 million profit at risk, according to the Navy.

A review of the carrier’s rising costs began in August after the Navy’s program manager indicated that the “most likely” overrun had risen to $884.7 million, or about 17 percent over the contract’s target price of $5.16 billion. That’s up from a $650 million overrun estimated in April, according to internal Navy figures made available to Bloomberg News. The worst-case assessment would be about 21 percent over the target.

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KEYWORDS: aircraftcarrier; cvn78; navair; newsportnews; supercarrier; usnavy; ussgearldford
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1 posted on 02/25/2012 7:20:23 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

Freedom is expensive


2 posted on 02/25/2012 7:22:31 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: U-238

From that photo, I can’t believe how far back they have moved the island.


3 posted on 02/25/2012 7:26:55 PM PST by microgood
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To: U-238

From that photo, I can’t believe how far back they have moved the island.


4 posted on 02/25/2012 7:27:06 PM PST by microgood
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To: U-238

Chicken feed. Pocket change. Obama’s energy secretary blows that much on some green energy scam just about every day.


5 posted on 02/25/2012 7:32:33 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

I agree. Its nothing compared to other cost overruns.


6 posted on 02/25/2012 7:36:34 PM PST by U-238
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To: microgood
From that photo, I can’t believe how far back they have moved the island.

Yeah ... much further astern. The island typically is slightly abaft the beam. Sorry ... for you land lubbers ... that's slightly towards the stern from mid-ship. The stern is the opposite end of the pointy end of the carrier.

7 posted on 02/25/2012 7:36:39 PM PST by BluH2o
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To: BluH2o
Us zoomies appreciate the explanation. ;)

/johnny

8 posted on 02/25/2012 7:46:14 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: microgood
From that photo, I can’t believe how far back they have moved the island.

Considering how some planes react when coming in too low {hitting the round down with the landing gear} I would not want to be back there. It looks like something just waiting to be hit.

9 posted on 02/25/2012 7:46:38 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: U-238

Still to come: a billion dollars worth of islam-, gay-, and racial-sensitivity training for all crew, contractors, and vendors.


10 posted on 02/25/2012 7:50:16 PM PST by Dagnabitt ("None of the above" ain't running.)
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To: U-238; SunkenCiv; TheOldLady
Apropos of nothing...

Clarke and Dawe

11 posted on 02/25/2012 7:54:52 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: U-238

Some people don’t like Gerald Ford, but I do and consider him a patriot.

He lost the presidency to the freak Jimmy “Don’t bite me Mr. Bunny” Carter so Ronald Reagan could be elected in 1980 by a landslide.

Mr. Ford, by his intuitive sacrifice, gave us Reagan and that makes him an okay guy in my book.


12 posted on 02/25/2012 7:55:48 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: U-238

3 questions.

What was the cost of steel when the contract was awarded?

What was the cost of gasoline, diesel, acetylyine, welding rod, and union labor health benefits when the contract was awarded?

If the items in the first two questions are more expensive, why is that?

Class dismissed.


13 posted on 02/25/2012 7:56:33 PM PST by Tailback
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To: U-238

the first ship of every new class of warship hits cost overruns. the efficiencies come later.


14 posted on 02/25/2012 7:58:07 PM PST by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: cva66snipe
I think it will be an easier deck to run because your parking areas aren't split by the island. I also would be surprised if they turned that area in the back into the "Hummer" hole to keep the props away from the rest of the deck. You also don't have as much stuff between the island (where the ACLS gear is) and the ramp.

I am also guessing carrier qual will be easier to manage simultaneous launch and recovery, but that has little to do with deployed operations.

15 posted on 02/25/2012 7:58:38 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: U-238
No biggie, just have Pharaoh Obama steal another $500 Billion from Medicare to cover it.
16 posted on 02/25/2012 8:04:35 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Liberals, Useful Idiots Voting for Useless Idiots...)
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To: Tailback

It looks like Northrop Grumman Corporation Shipbuilding section is providing the steel.


17 posted on 02/25/2012 8:06:43 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

Worst thing in article: the next carrier is CVN-79, which will be named the John F. Kennedy.

Can’t we stop the naming of a carrier after a pill popping lech? He had a carrier already.This is as bad a the USS Gabrielle Giffords and the USS John R. Murtha.

Two ships I hope never exist: The USS William J. Clinton and the USS Barack H. Obama.


18 posted on 02/25/2012 8:12:10 PM PST by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. We have ideas-the Dems only have ideology.)
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To: microgood
From that photo, I can’t believe how far back they have moved the island.

Moving the island aft creates deck space for a centralized re-arming and re-fueling location
19 posted on 02/25/2012 8:12:40 PM PST by Rooivalk
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To: exit82

I agree with you.


20 posted on 02/25/2012 8:21:16 PM PST by U-238
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To: exit82
This is as bad a the USS Gabrielle Giffords and the USS John R. Murtha.

Wait until you see the USS Whitney Houston. It's the Navy's new class of self-destroyer.

21 posted on 02/25/2012 8:28:39 PM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: Old Sarge

LOL. Maybe we can promote Bobby Brown as captain of the ship.


22 posted on 02/25/2012 8:37:20 PM PST by U-238
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To: exit82
Worst thing in article: the next carrier is CVN-79, which will be named the John F. Kennedy
We had a carrier before called the John Kennedy(CV-67). It had a long and distinguished career.She was the last conventionally powered aircraft carrier.
23 posted on 02/25/2012 8:42:34 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

That’s two Solyndra’s.


24 posted on 02/25/2012 8:47:29 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

That is true. Excellent Post!!!


25 posted on 02/25/2012 8:48:06 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

More campaign cash for Obama.


26 posted on 02/25/2012 8:48:40 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: exit82
USS John R. Murtha.

I wonder if they're going to base the Murtha in Okinawa?

Mark

27 posted on 02/25/2012 8:53:07 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: U-238
I believe one of the major sources for the delays and cost overruns is because the Ford will be the first carrier to use electromagnetic catapults, rather than steam powered catapults.

The downside (according to a documentary I saw about the technology) is that if the em cats don't work out, there's NO WAY to retrofit the ship to use steam cats, and they'll have to scrap the entire project!

Mark

28 posted on 02/25/2012 8:58:38 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: U-238
A breakdown of the advanced systems supposed to be used for the first time would be nice, overruns, availability, etc.

They are all good advances, that which I have read about, like electrodynamic catapults. What I have not heard about lately are the new defensive weapons, such as a rumored laser and rail gun. Who knows how far away and how much over budget that stuff is. But it has to start somewhere, and part of a carrier budget seems a good place..

29 posted on 02/25/2012 8:58:52 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: doorgunner69

There’s not going to be any sort of fielded railgun before 2020, and no free electron laser till 2025. At best.


30 posted on 02/25/2012 9:01:52 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: MarkL

You are correct from what I have read in other articles. It did succeed in launching an F-35 last November. But the future is in EMALS. It places less stress on the aircraft.


31 posted on 02/25/2012 9:02:06 PM PST by U-238
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To: MarkL

The EM catapults are in pretty good shape and are going to work.


32 posted on 02/25/2012 9:04:09 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist
Olde farte memory lapse perhaps. Could have sworn I read the next CVN would have that stuff as well as the spiffy new catapults. There was a video of the new launchers in use I thought, land installation of course.

I know the DDX is in trouble with weapon system delays, last I heard. Sucks to be out of NAVAIR and inside info.

33 posted on 02/25/2012 9:06:26 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: U-238

Overruns? Whydya think it was called “Gerry Ford”?


34 posted on 02/25/2012 9:06:48 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: doorgunner69

Use an Nuclear Acclerated Generator for a laser or railgun on a ship or a plane. 2-3 of these generators will probably sink a ship.According to DARPA,NAG technology could produce 100,000 times more power than conventional nuclear technology. This is not a guess; it has been well established in experiments.


35 posted on 02/25/2012 9:09:50 PM PST by U-238
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To: Old Sarge

36 posted on 02/25/2012 9:12:40 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: U-238

This is not a problem. The Navy is going to save a chunk of change on the aircraft. /s


37 posted on 02/25/2012 9:16:25 PM PST by Nachoman (I HOPE we CHANGE presidents.)
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To: U-238
It had a long and distinguished career.She was the last conventionally powered aircraft carrier.

Last conventional carrier built not the last to serve and the boat had a long, slow, painful death. Kitty Hawk remained in service until 12 May 2009 and was commissioned over seven years prior to the Kennedy.

38 posted on 02/25/2012 9:27:19 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

According to the John Kennedy(CV-67) website it says that she was the last conventionally powered aircraft carrier.

http://navysite.de/cvn/cv67.htm


39 posted on 02/25/2012 9:35:05 PM PST by U-238
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To: A.A. Cunningham

But you are correct. I amend my last statement.


40 posted on 02/25/2012 9:39:59 PM PST by U-238
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To: A.A. Cunningham

:)


41 posted on 02/25/2012 9:41:24 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

A union job no doubt


42 posted on 02/25/2012 10:01:08 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: U-238

Will CVN-79 be wind powered? or solar?


43 posted on 02/25/2012 10:04:07 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: MarkL

Why would they spend billions on a ship if the catapults might not work? What kind of sense would that make?

This ain’t the French ship deGaulle!


44 posted on 02/25/2012 10:07:49 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: USNBandit
I think it will be an easier deck to run because your parking areas aren't split by the island. I also would be surprised if they turned that area in the back into the "Hummer" hole to keep the props away from the rest of the deck. You also don't have as much stuff between the island (where the ACLS gear is) and the ramp.

Makes sense. You reckon the OOD will still be able to spot the Mail Buoy Watch up on the fwd catwalk? :>}

I remember one night we had a bridge load of VIP's during flight ops. One Tomcat came in too low and smacked off the landing gear. The plane turned toward the island at first and pilot corrected with thrust then popped out. I didn't see it but we sure did hear it though.

45 posted on 02/25/2012 10:27:12 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: magslinger

ping


46 posted on 02/25/2012 11:16:12 PM PST by Vroomfondel
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SONOBUOY PING!

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47 posted on 02/25/2012 11:20:30 PM PST by magslinger (If I wanted to vote for a Commie I would vote for Obammie. He has a chance of winning.)
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To: U-238

Sounds as if.... drum roll... Gerald Ford stumbled again.

Thank you, thank you; I’ll be here through the end of the month.


48 posted on 02/26/2012 12:26:00 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: microgood

Looks like they have 3 catapults on it also...


49 posted on 02/26/2012 5:40:13 AM PST by glorgau
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To: glorgau
there are four... look for the four white stripes
50 posted on 02/26/2012 8:05:02 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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