Skip to comments.How Newt Gingrich Now Helps Mitt Romney Win
Posted on 02/25/2012 8:57:05 PM PST by Steelfish
How Newt Gingrich Now Helps Mitt Romney Win The arithmetic of Super Tuesday delegate allocation means that Gingrich's presence splits off vital voters from Rick Santorum
Harry J Enten guardian.co.uk, Sunday 19 February 2012
A Romney campaign negative ad ahead of January's Florida primary; Gingrich's presence in the GOP race, bankrolled by Sheldon Adelson, now helps Romney against his main challenger, Rick Santorum.
Billionaire Sheldon Adelson has decided to donate an additional $10m to Newt Gingrich's Super Pac. The move is expected to boost Gingrich in the lead-up to the 6 March "Super Tuesday" primaries. Gingrich has taken a back seat to the Mitt Romney-Rick Santorum showdown in Michigan, and he needs ads on the air if there is any way of overcoming the press's new two-man race narrative.
But Sheldon Adelson has ulterior motives at work. He is not a fan of Rick Santorum, and he understands that boosting Gingrich has the side-effect of helping Mitt Romney.
(snip) Poll upon poll in the last week has indicated that Gingrich supporters are more likely to support Rick Santorum than Mitt Romney in a one-on-one match-up. Consider the state of Arizona, where polling finds Santorum rising, but Romney with a comfortable high single-digit lead. If Gingrich were to exit the race, however, Santorum would pull into a tie with Mitt Romney.
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This is stupid, even for you.
Since by inference you aren’t stupid, why don’t you read the article and try making an intelligent rebuttal.
Adelson has supported Gingrich from the start. Saying that he`s now supporting Gingrich to help Romney is stupid.
I strongly suggest you google ‘Santorum and Leo Gerard’.
Santorum is now in the crosshairs of the international labor unions, who are pulling out all the stops in Pennsylvania and other big labor union states to crush whatever support Rick Santorum has in those states.
By the way, this article you posted from a British rag is nonsense. The word is out that the Democrats are planting this garbage to sow divisions among Republicans.
The part about supporting Gingrich to help Romney is unsupported, but if you read the actual article regarding the likely delegate outcomes on Super Tuesday (with detailed analysis of each states voting rules) it’s clear that Gingrich’s main role in the race is to cripple Santorum and help Romney, if if that isn’t the intention.
Likely delegate outcomes according to polls. Too bad polls are just snapshots, and can`t be frozen in place. Nobody knows what will happen. I didn`t agree with Newt supporters that Rick should get out (at least I don`t remember calling for Rick to get out, I`ll have to check my history), and I don`t think it`s right to pressure Newt to get out.
We will see polls and editorials DAILY that proclaim Santorum or Gingrich can't beat OBozo, or that ONLY OBomney can beat OBozo.
Please, don't be disheartened by this lamestream BS...cause the OBozo will be beaten - IF he's allowed to run in the end.
Total and utter garbage.
But rather than calling it “garbage” which is name-calling, why don’t you show where Strategerist is wrong. Indeed, his analysis is spot-on and fair if you examine the delegate rules for the Super Tuesday states. This is a 2-man race by all accounts except for the die-hard Gingrich fans. Gingrich has fallen of Romney’s radar as well as Obama and not even the left wing media are talking about him. Gingrich needs to save himself more humiliation and quit now.
After next Tuesday, the momentum will be with either Romney or Santorum, and even GA may go up in flames for Gingrich. Instead, as the article points out, he is helping Romney by staying in the race and Adelson is using Gingrich to derail Santorum because of his strong social conservative views that the $b Casino mogul abhors. Adelson is acting like a fifth columnist.
It is along haul until the convention. None of the four are going to quit.
As for “garbage”, that was a referral to a planted news piece the media is using as bait to distract Republicans from the real issue - voting Obama out of office and the issues with which he is weak.
You are more and more beginning to sound like a Democrat plant, trying to drive wedges between folks here at Free Republic.
Newt Gingrich scares the Hell out of the Democrats. And now, using their usual tricks, the Dems are going after Santorum, trying to demoralize conservatives. And you? You’re going along with their game.
There you go again “Democratic plant” when the same thing or worse could be said about you. If you cannot rebut with reason and intelligence then these threads are above your pay grade.
There’s nothing Romney wants more than to have a one-on-one race where he can focus all his negative attacks on one man and also be much more likely to get over 50% in conditional winner-take-all states and 50% of the delegates. If either Newt or Rick dropped out now, Romney’s intrade for the nomination would probably hit 99%.
Georgia is the biggest prize of Super Tuesday in terms of delegates, and Newt is #1 there. So do you agree Rick should drop out to help Newt do better there?
The guy is assuming that in GA, OK and TN that Romney will come in second. If Newt dropped out, that GUARANTEES Romney will. So how would it hurt Romney to guarantee he wins the extra delegates given to the second-place person?
Santorum is 9 delegates in the hole in Ohio due to his ballot screwups, so again he should drop out there since Newt is better positioned.
Vermont is conditional on 50% of the vote, which Romney is more likely to get with less opponents. So both staying in hurts Romney there.
Taxachusetts? Are you serious? Romney is going to win it in a landslide no matter who else is in the race. They won’t even compete there.
The major winner-take-all states happen AFTER March, so that’s when either Newt or Rick ought to drop out to avoid letting Romney win any of those with a mere plurality.
I prefer if Paul and Romney get out; then we can have a spirited discussion on the two remaining.
Not really. Our guy is in contention and kicking the s#!t out of Mittens. Where is your guy?
That would be fine with me.
The only way Romney could possibly win the primarys is IF republicans want to elect Ted Kennedy and Barney Franks good friend.. you know Romney..
If they do.. its good we find this out NOW once and for all..
Meaning the republican party is dead as a cork..
Why the heck are you posting articles from the UK most commie rag?
In the latest polls I have seen, if Santorum drops out in Georgia, Romney's delegates go up. If Newt drops out in Tennessee, Romney's delegates go up. Leave Rick and Gingrich in the race. I do give Gingrich credit for dropping out of sight in Michigan where his presence was hurting.
I didn’t think it was right for Newt to infer that Rick should resign and I’ll say the same of anyone asking Newt to resign.
“Right, of course that is how you would rather want it, us sit by and watch attack after attack on Rick Santorum”
Gee, what ads did I miss about Newt attacking Rick? I’ve only noticed the ads attacking Newt. I’m starting to feel that Rick is as slimey as mittens. And Rick was my 2nd choice.
Don't you find it the least bit interesting on how it focuses on Newt as the spoiler, but never addresses what might happen if Rick were to get out instead?
Pure one-sided hit piece that conveniently only provides one side of the info - I agree with the first guy - stupid even for you.
Team Newt is strong and growing ... the MSM just isn't covering much ... for now ...
Let's see. Posting from a UK commie rag. After being called on it, supporting same UK commie rag. Thirdly, making a wildly inaccurate projection on GA.
I'd call that 'strike three'.
More BS. Sure, Adelson probably would pick Romney over Santorum, but he was backing Gingrich before Santorum possibly looked like a legitimate threat. Gingrich has more delegates than Santorum, and one could make the argument just as well—especially back when it more looked the case—that Santorum should get out rather than be a spoiler to Newt’s chances.
Anyone with more than a bit of a clue to national politics meanwhile knows that Santorum’s social crusading is not going to fly with independents and moderates once they hear more about it.
Uninformed is a nice word for it. Newt Gingrich IS the right man, in the right place, at the right time.
Using the ultra-left wing Guardian to try to make your case only demonstrates that you don’t have one.
All these perceived intrigues...
IMO, Gingrich is the only candidate with steel in his spine and brass in his “gentleman’s area.” (Thanks, Top Gear, UK)
I support Newt, but I support our nations future moreso.
Then let Newt and Rick work it out. If it's contention, Newt will prevail. If it's a join effort, we see a long future for both candidates.
Yeah, I perused this one late last night.
The problem with that scenario is that Newt and Rick both want to win. They do not live in the FR universe where the first priority, before breathing and eating, is to defeat Mitt. They just don’t live there. Nor do most Americans and not even most conservatives (though the number of conservatives who believe that is growing).
Lots of Santorum folks around here post articles from the lefties that are pro-Santorum articles - as if that's a good thing. They don't have a clue what is going on and what drives liberal rags at this point in the game to support Santorum (or in this case, go after Newt to help Santorum).
I agree, Rush is (shockingly to me) become a sweater vest guy.
Yes, I know, he’s had segments that were pro Newt and pro Romney at times as well. But those were simply when Rush being Rush dictated it.
He has had segments that were devastating to Newt and to Mitt as well, and most of those were deserved - again - reacting to events, etc.
What he has NOT done is have negative segments about Rick. He has also let it be known that his brother David supports Rick and that his personal email list of friends support Rick.
And he’s defended some of Rick’s bad comments on this culture war stuff, which is simply NOT the issue of 2012.
But the dead give away? Rush has refused to analyze Rick’s entire career with respects to conservative principles. Never seen him miss something so big for so long. Never, and I’ve listened for 23 years.
On the whole, reading the tea leaves, it is easy to figure out that Rush supports Rick. Very disappointing.
So Newt helps Romney? It appears to me, it has been Santorum helping Romney from the get go
Santorum has absolutely NO Executive experience and he is most well known for bragging about his ability to be a “CONservative” in a highly Liberal/Leftist/Democrat state and still be able to be elected. (In my book, that is nothing to be proud of.)
If Santorum gets it, and the impossible happens and he wins the White House, he will revert back to his moderate, to left, Mega spending behavior as he did his entire Legislative career.
I will guarantee it! And because of his ridiculous Puritan social agenda, he will have to fight the Left in everything he tries to do in that regard, so he will not have time to fix much of anything, nor the ability to figure out what needs to be fixed.
(Since all the Santorum worshipers here, are so busy projecting how and what he WILL win, I can do the same.)
You are right. People wonder sometimes why I am so against Santorum? It’s for the reasons you just mentioned.
Best case with a Santorum nomination is that he wins against a weak Obama and then becomes a one term GWB - socially conservative and moderate to liberal otherwise - with no Texas charm. Government will grow. Our congressional delegations will shrink. He’ll hire some beltway consultant who will tell him he can fool the conservatives by stressing a bunch of irrelevant social issues and he can get the moderates by throwing some more bones to unions. Both will fail, but will result in bad policy.
In four years we get then next Obama. That is the BEST case of a RS nomination IMO.
Worst case: Obama and the Dems sweep in 2012 and America is over.
So does a RS nomination make me a tad upset? Damned right it does.
Gingrich’s continued presence in this race is going to give us Romney. He’s utterly un-electable at this point in time. Stop blaming the Guardian or the bearer of bad news. Wake up and smell the coffee.
Here an excerpt from the independent PPP that says the same thing:
February 21, 2012
Santorum leads in Washington
Wedged between the Michigan/Arizona primaries and Super Tuesday the Washington state GOP caucus hasn’t received a lot of attention. At least for now it looks like it could give Rick Santorum some momentum headed into the critical March 6th contests. He leads there with 38% to 27% for Mitt Romney, 15% for Ron Paul, and 12% for Newt Gingrich.
Santorum is by far the most popular of the Republican candidates with 69% viewing him favorably to only 18% with a negative opinion.
Romney is the only other one who even has a positive favorability rating. He’s at 47/42. The disparity between Santorum and Romney’s numbers in Washington resembles what we found for the contests two weeks ago in Missouri and Minnesota, both of which Santorum ended up winning by a healthy margin.
Next week looks like it could be disastrous for Gingrich. He’s in 4th place in both Washington and Michigan, and in 3rd place in Arizona. He’s not remotely close to finishing in the top 2 in any of those states.
It’s not just that Republican voters aren’t planning to vote for Gingrich, they don’t even like him any more. In Washington his favorability is upside down at 39/46 and the same is true in Michigan (39/50) and Arizona (43/48) as well.
Gingrich’s continued presence in the state is a boost to Romney.
If he pulled out before Washington 59% of his supporters say they’d move to Santorum, compared to only 13% who would go to Romney. That would make the overall standings Santorum 49, Romney 28, Paul 16- as long as Gingrich stays in and keeps splitting the conservative vote it’s keeping Romney competitive.
This is the reality, my friends.
Polls are of little value when most of those polled aren’t particularly familiar with those they’re being polled about.
Once Santorum’s dour Puritanism gets out, he’ll be less popular with the American voters than horn-dog Gingrich, the GOP’s version of Bill Clinton.
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