Skip to comments.Libtards becoming delegates at GOP conventions.
Posted on 02/25/2012 9:58:34 PM PST by horsappl
Today at the Republican Party of Otter Tail County convention, we had delegates disrupting the meeting. These people were democrats, posing as Republicans. They wasted hours offering amendments to our platform, then trying to become delegates. We all knew what they were, but rules and laws prevented us from showing them the door. We finally passed a motion to require photo id to make these clowns prove they lived in the township they purported to represent. They showed us college id's.
The problem we were having was that not all delegates that we were to vote to the state convention were in attendance, so it was difficult to provide photo id of them. These democrats knew our rules, and they were manipulating them. These jerks were posing as citizens of low population townships to become delegates.
The solution is to be prepared for this at conventions nationwide. Make sure all party members that want to be delegates have photo id's and are in attendance. Require photo id's to vote or become delegates.
This people are organized, be prepared.
Ask how much Romney paid them?
Were they Ron Paul people? They have very publically known plans to try to pose as delegates for other candidates and get to the conventions. There are trading around detailed instructions on their web sites for gaming the delegate system. I never even considered that Democrats might do it. Other people have had stories of Ron Paul people disrupting conventions and wasting time with votes like this on here. Granted the difference between a Ron Paul supporter and a Dennis Kucinich lib is a slight one at best. I reported on some of the Ron Paul plot here:
I am more concerned about Paulbots.
Ron Paul is dangerous and so are his supporters.
Cool it, kitty. He’s posting this to warn other people and he specifically suggested how to change the system to weed these interlopers out.
Personally, I still don’t understand how this delegate system works. What gave these people the authority to show up at the convention and have some special privilege to not be able to be kicked out?
No Doubt. Co worker is a big Paulbot, and she said her daughter is going to try and be a delegate. Paul would probably give her the 200 bucks to register, too.
We’ve got a deeply flawed system, which is why and how a Communist has become the POTUS. Currently, there are no remedies!
Do you have an anger issue genius?
P.S. What's a "horsappl" anyway???
yeah, just came from GOP county convention and we had paul supporters show up in enough numbers to successfully amend our platform to GRANT havus corpus and trail by US jury to NON-US citizens. In defending this motion one ron paul supporter actually referenced the golden rule Yeah, thatll work with KSM or Mohammad ATTAH. WATCH OUT GOP!!
Well, considering the limited esponses so far, I will side on the experiences I have had as being a presiding election judge and Precicn Chair in my voting precinct here in Houston...
I would say the Paulbots have a better chance to disrupt, or dilute the Texas convention process...
If we can ever get the dingleberries running this show to allow Texas to have a primary, we could have veted the Paulbots and other disrupters from the delegates moving up in the process...Now they want to have the Precinct conventions on the dqay of the Senatorial district convention, before we move on to the State convention...
I believe this was planned from the get go, and that it is going to be harder and harder to ensure the credibility of this primary vote, much less the convention process to keep as much of the riff-raff out as possible...
We will have to have (from the county) voting information on each voter in the primary to go over and screen wvery voter for their trends...Shouldn’tbe tha hard, we’ve done it before...
I wish I knew the right people to ping. This is very disturbing if it’s happening or going to happen in many places.
As soon as the crickets shut their traps, the arrogant and lazy media will be all over this......
This is very, very important.
ACORN and groups just like them have not just gone away. On the contrary, they're getting a bunch of our money to even more effectively subvert our foundations as a republic and help install a permanent socialist oligarchy. That Ayn Rand lady sure was ahead of her time. I found Atlas Shrugged to be a tedious novel, but one containing an extremely important message. The looters are unleashed, unashamed, and largely unremarked, in the unrepentant liberal media.
This is going to be the ugliest election in US history. No doubt in my mind.
You’re right. God help us all.
oh forgot to mention, this happened up here in MN today
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It was identified.
They were democrats. One of them said we should not be so concerned about defeating liberal senator Amy Klobuchar this year, but concentrate on removing senator Franken in 2 years. They would end every sentence with “and beat 0bama”, as if that was our only concern.
The Paulbots have a grasp of economics, these fools didn’t. One tried to get the Bowles-Simpson Plan endorsed.
I had a shot at being a delegate but can’t tear away from my work,gotta work to eat.
pleas try to make some sense.
Who wrote this? it says ‘today’ (which is Sunday) and the MINN caucuses were 3 weeks ago. did they not elect the poeple to go to county convention?
this looks like a Vanity from some guy in MINN
or is he a blogger?
>>”Libtards becoming delegates at GOP conventions.”
>”I am more concerned about Paulbots.”
I’m not sure there is much of a difference anymore.
The Stupid Party has open primaries, why not open conventions.
It is, after all, the next logical step in letting your enemies pick your candidates.
Fix that before you come whining to me that the Evil Party is following your rules.
Sorry, for any confusion, it was late last last night and I was tired.
Yesterday was our county convention in MN, which delegates from the townships attended. Several democrat activists had been to the caucuses and provided bogus addresses. These were small townships so they could easily become delegates.
At the county convention, they were trying to become delegates to the state convention, where we finally select our candidates. The presidential candidate is awarded our delegates at the state convention, all things can change at the state convention.
The treasurer said he mailed invitations to the district convention to all delegates; over 10% of them were returned due to unknown address. He mailed those again; they were returned again.
The treasurer said that in the past, around 25% of the county delegates actually attend the state convention.
Here is the problem:
There were delegates in attendance that many thought were democrats, and were actual residents (probably registered as Republicans). There were activists in attendance that had bogus addresses. If only 25% of the real republican delegates attend the state convention, these activists have an actual chance of swaying who our nominee is, as well as disrupting the convention.
yes, so why not tell us what happened? There is no voter list at the convention or before confirming that the DELEGATES who were attending (having been elected at the caucuses) were registered Republicans at the address they gave? That is required at our caucuses in CT (non-presidential) and IA and Maine.
So how many delegates did the county elect on SATURDAY?
What were the vote totals?
Did Santorum get most of the delegates?
was it held at Fergus Falls town hall or a school?
How many people were there?
I will be contacting the treasurer today, I will post those numbers as soon as I can.
This was meant to be a warning. If you are a delegate in MN, make sure you attend the state convention.
My buddy checked the township for the activists addresses, and they don’t exist. There are about 50 residents of that township. ACORN has a strong presence in MN. They must have found a way to register these clowns; remember hearing of Mickey Mouse on voter rolls? Our Secretary of State, Mark Ritchie, was an ACORN activist, and helped put Al Franken into office by not investigating voter fraud.
Why did you mention Fergus Falls? Are you doing a little background research on me? The convention was at a city 40 miles from there, but I live near Fergus Falls.
Who are you?
I’m not sure if economics is what drives most of the Paulbot fanatics. Those are just the issues Paul focuses on to look like a legitimate Republican, and to gain “soft” support for votes. As far as his base is concerned, anti-war, anti-patriot-act is probably their biggest motivator. Legalizing drugs and a hatred of where Republicans stand on other moral/social issues is probably their next biggest motivator. Very few of them would vote for another Republican if Paul doesn’t win. They say they’ll either vote for the Libertarian candidate or for Obama.
Thanks. I think this is very, very important.
i think Fergus Falls is the county seat, so i figured the county convention would be there
You are correct, I was wrong, the activists were Paulbots! I cannot tell the difference between them and libtards. They are fans of big government agencies (ex. EPA), pro-abortion, but dislike the military. One of the two that were the most outspoken is an agroecologist. She appeared to be a hippie and is an organic farmer. Her hippie “husband”, had a different last name and works for a vegetable farm. A couple of undocumented hippies.
By the way, the female hippie received more votes than I did (we are both alternates), so she will likely be a delegate if she can produce some sort of proof of citizenship. I hope our elected delegates take this seriously this year!
Thanks for your report of MN democRats in GOP clothing.
One of the most interesting developments over the last week, Adam Kokesh, a George Soros sock puppet, busy leading the Veterans for Ron Paul march at the White House.
Used to believe RuPaul was a harmless Libertarian kook, now I understand RuPaul is a useful idiot.
Hmm, that’s unfortunate. It sounds like the Paulbots are having some success gaming the delegate system. How did you find out they are Ron Paul supporters? Are you saying she’s an alternate to the state convention right now, so would still be a few steps away from making it to the national convention, or does she have her ticket there now too?
There is probably even a segment of Ron Paul supporters who would never even vote for him in the fall if he was the nominee. They just happen to like him best of the Republicans but still like Obama better. It doesn’t quite make sense that a Ron Paul supporter would be for the EPA, but they may strictly like him for his anti-war or socially liberal policies and not his economic policies.
I saw one of the activists name on the list of alternates to the district convention. I did a search of her name, and she was a Ron Paul delegate in 2008, so I assume she hasn’t changed her colors. I assume all her friends are fellow travelers because rest of us were becoming quite annoyed with them, and we were quickly able to pass an amendment to require a photo id, which their group voted against.
If she gets into the district convention, she may make it to the state convention, along with her buddies.
Sounds like you’re getting 15 minutes of fame on the Ron Paul forums for the whole ID request. One of the Paulbot ladies at your convention on Saturday wrote a big post about it there. Not sure if she’s the same one you’re describing, but somewhere on the forum it says she’s 31 years old.
I was going to post it last night, but FR was down. I saved the link, but now see she must have received a cease-and-desist from the Ron Paul authorities and deleted her post. It is still viewable in the Google cache for the time being though. Below is the link to the post she deleted, a link to the Google cache where her post is still there, a link to her profile on the Ron Paul forums, and the full post pasted below followed by all of her replies:
My experience at the county convention
Submitted by Gmrkmaster on Mon, 02/27/2012 - 10:12
We had our convention this past Saturday. It was my first time and quite an eye opening experience. First off...me and my small group of comrades where fortunate to have had a couple insiders. They were both on the resolutions committee. We all met up the night before where we were informed that there was a nominations committee whom already had a ballot with their “suggested” delegates on it. So we knew we had to push for a fair vote. We were also informed a bit about some turmoil within the party involving the same cronies stacking decks. These same folks time after timehold the party hostage and use dirty tactics to remain in power.
There was a lot of drama and bullying. It was clear to see what the motives where with the stacking of the cards and pushing for rules that were extremely unfair. It became an outright war between us and them...good vs evil. We were only few...young, new, and boisterous....and we were heard! At one point, a man cried out that “we have been infiltrated” by democrats and called out that there were imposters in the crowd and that everyone needed to be ID’ed. What of the people who did not bring an ID? This was not a fair rule as nobody was notified beforehand to bring an ID to the convention. Besides...my ID does not show which party I am affiliated with. This is preposterous!
But there was a small glimps of hope. Remember the turmoil I mentioned? Well, we successfully ousted the old regime with a completely new one. After nominating one of the “insiders” from my meeting I mentioned earlier as the Temporary Chairman, we won and he appointed all new people for the Temporary Committee. If it were not for this bold move, we would not have been successful in ousting the preprinted ballot.
Although my group only walked away as alternates...we succeeded in shaking things up and considering what we were up against, I do not feel defeated. My county is one of the toughest counties in Minnesota and the old cronies of the party failed miserably in their plan to stack the cards and take full control of the party that day.
Since then, I have received several emails thanking me for my courage. The fight is not over yet...I will push on.
Just got this email. Please read as it is important to the story. I replaced names with X’s.
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It was good to meet you yesterday. I am surprised to find that you live in the Illuminati country. Sometimes we call it Injun county and for a good reason.
It was grand to see You and your younger Republican associates at the Convention Yesterday. I know all of you were concerned about some of the procedural items and that is just fine. Some of us older fogies need to have our feet held to the fire once in a while. However, know that you were witness to one of the finest examples of a Convention Temporary Chair you could have seen in this county. XXXX is just one of special guys you can always count on for fairness.
I know you and you friends did not really know what was really transpiring behind the doors of this convention either. As you and your chums were sometimes making some points on the floor, behind the scenes where you may not have understood completely the whole story, a very different procedure battle was being waged. That is where the real battle was being waged. Just in case you are not aware, there is a very serious war going on within the county party.
And as usual, the war is for power.
And for younger Republicans, it is a good thing if you want to learn and grow politically. Because, the power should rest with the delegates, always. It is after all, their Party.
As you are aware of Redistricting and how it can affect things, know that in the past, Senate District of XXX County was often split in two or even three parts. And XXX featured a pair of political Alfa dogs that pretty much held sway and power. They kept power through unscrupulous means with Character Assassinations of Republican volunteers and leadership committee members. The old you do as I say or we will destroy you and your reputation. As you can guess, Leadership Committee Members back then were assured of being elected as they were pre-approved by the power broking faction of that day. They were corrupt and devious, and very ruthless. They had control of the Republican Party in XXX and many other areas using dodgy means and devious ways. This is not anything new and it has been going on in all political parties from the beginning of our country. The Andy Jackson era was one of the worst of its kind in this regard. Dirty politics has always been with us
The local power brokers were finally pushed out by another younger faction who came of age under them, learned politics at the grass roots level as nasty, but a necessary business. These younger people finally used the same tactics and strategies to eliminate their eras bad faction. Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap. That faction is the control group you see today in our county. You know them, -—the ones who hooted imposters and infiltrators at you during the convention. The ones who stood along the wall, watching the crowd of delegates and us.
Unfortunately, they were no different than the ones they learned from. It was just power vs. power for the sake of power. No ideals, no change, no uplifting. Just in you face brow beating and character assassination, and even some serious intimidation through using rumor and falsehoods to claim or hold onto power.
Want some realism? I was threatened with political death five times last week if I spoke at this convention, or if I led a floor fight against a certain faction. It was also said to me that my community standing would be endangered and my familys local standing would be dealt with. I would lose many friends. In addition, a voice tape of one of my friends would be produced to destroy his character, if things: get too dicey.
Now thats politics!
My family, upon hearing such news said: Bring it on, Pop.
Are you sure you want into this game?
At the Convention, we were using our influence both on the floor and backstage to prevent our District and State Delegations from being fully disenfranchised and not Seated from those important Conventions. Does that sound serious enough to you?
If you had bothered to notice, behind you against the wall was a man from the State RPM, with a motion camera, recording the entire convention for evidence of rules violations and delegate election fraud. Would you not call that, dicey?
And every hour on the hour, I was being texted by the District Chairman on the status of this control group and our convention. Many eyes were upon us yesterday, crossing their fingers.
And what of you, XXXX? The role you were playing was also being taped. And it served a huge purpose too. You and your younger delegate friends unwittingly stumbled right smack into our battle. Within our two way pincers movement, your prodding questions created a third front. It further advanced the unsettling of the control group and sent them into deep confusion and defeat. They were totally unprepared against the combinations. Their plans to fix or stack the delegate list with their own predetermined cronies failed miserably. The delegates took control from them and won the day. You did not know, but you were a part of that. Thats why you guys were called, infiltrators and impostors by some of them. This group does not like to lose and they lashed out against you.
You may have come away thinking that you had not accomplished much. You did.
Congratulations. Wear it as a mantle with pride.
You showed grit and stood your ground. Dont see much of that in younger folks today.
Submitted by Gmrkmaster on Tue, 02/28/2012 - 15:44.
Google Libtards as Delegets at the Convention. They are saying we were democrats acting as Republicans and urging other conventions to ID everyone. LOL! Because we prodded for a fairness so they couldn’t stack the deck! Besides...my ID doesn’t show who I’m affiliated with. Really??? If this is how the party treats its youthful voters...they are doomed. I have never felt so unwelcomed in my life. There are real problems in this party. God help us all!
Submitted by Gmrkmaster on Tue, 02/28/2012 - 15:38.
We got some...
That is all I can say.
Submitted by Gmrkmaster on Tue, 02/28/2012 - 00:44.
Except in Tampa,where all the Ron Paul delegates will unite as one. It will be a great day.
Submitted by Gmrkmaster on Mon, 02/27/2012 - 18:42.
Yes. And it was perfect! Gave me a sense of hope!
Submitted by Gmrkmaster on Mon, 02/27/2012 - 18:07.
It was rather gratifying!
Submitted by Gmrkmaster on Mon, 02/27/2012 - 13:18.
Marriane Stebbins was there taping as well.
Submitted by Gmrkmaster on Mon, 02/27/2012 - 13:02.
All of us in my group are alternates. But I am aware that a lot of the people that over turned the regime are Paul supporters. Cannot confirm numbers though.
Submitted by Gmrkmaster on Mon, 02/27/2012 - 18:06.
I know...it was quite comical! However...his motion passed and then we had to deal with the ID issue and how it was unfair to some because we were not put on notice that we would need an ID. Wish I could get my hands on the video. There would be some good examples for others to follow. Not to mention...the sound bites!
Submitted by Gmrkmaster on Mon, 02/27/2012 - 13:00.
We could have added too but knowing most people would just check the names listed. So we pushed for everyone to be on the ballot.
Submitted by Gmrkmaster on Mon, 02/27/2012 - 12:58.
From my group...we are all alternates. My understanding is that people don’t show to the next convention.
The big battle was the delegates supporting our congressional candidates. The delegates who overturned the cronies were all elected. They support Lee Byberg who has a platform similar to Ron Paul. I understand a lot of them do support Ron Paul. I know of a couple for sure. I plan on getting to know these people to find out more.
Submitted by Gmrkmaster on Mon, 02/27/2012 - 13:55.
Also, Otter Tail is a large county but we are all rural towns. We elected 32 delegates.
Submitted by Gmrkmaster on Mon, 02/27/2012 - 20:36.
I live 9 miles from Perham.
Submitted by Gmrkmaster on Mon, 02/27/2012 - 11:57.
Whats amazing is that neither of the 2 sides were expecting a 3rd front! And we weren’t expecting to waltz in the middle of their battle field. We just charged in their with a clear mission and that was to push for a fair vote.
It was also neat to watch things unfold when they changed regimes. I could see the cronies across the room as they were dismantled one by one. It was a great thing to witness.
I had a sense of what was going on. I was greeted by random people throughout the day whom I could guess were on the “good” side of the party. I have since been invited to meetings and other events. I’m not sure how involved I want to be as I own a small business in town and worry about being targeted. But I was told that they protect their “kind” from the likes of the cronies and the cronies are becoming more and more out numbered.
Submitted by Gmrkmaster on Mon, 02/27/2012 - 18:46.
Yes..and the more I get involved in this election the more I feel like my job does not end here. I have even considered seekeing an elected position...
Submitted by Gmrkmaster on Mon, 02/27/2012 - 10:45.
Please read my update. It is an email I got. Brings tears to my eyes.
Submitted by Gmrkmaster on Mon, 02/27/2012 - 10:44.
I misunderstood you and did not answer your question at all! It was a meeting I put together in my county for all of our Ron Paul Delegates. It was a good meeting! The head Chairman of the Minnesota Ron Paul Campaign drove 3 1/2 hours to be there to help us. Unfortunately, there was only a handful of us in the area. The rural areas of Minnesota needs a lot of help! I sent you a pm with our county name.
Submitted by Gmrkmaster on Mon, 02/27/2012 - 10:24.
Yes, our county convention was early. I’d rather not state on public forum but I will pm you.
Thank you for posting this.
Did you notice she makes the accusation we were looking for her party id card? We wanted a driver’s license or something to prove she lives in our county. She and her hippie “husband” drove there, but could not produce driver’s licenses.
She is intentionally misleading those reading at the Ron Paul forum. It seems increasingly like ACORN as I get information.