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Romney and the White Horse Prophecy
Salon.com ^ | Sunday, Jan 29, 2012 6:00 AM 18:22:46 PST | By Sally Denton

Posted on 02/26/2012 6:31:36 PM PST by JSDude1

When Mitt Romney received his patriarchal blessing as a Michigan teenager, he was told that the Lord expected great things from him. All young Mormon men — the “worthy males” of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, as it is officially known — receive such a blessing as they embark on their requisite journeys as religious missionaries. But at 19 years of age, the youngest son of the most prominent Mormon in American politics — a seventh-generation direct descendant of one of the faith’s founding 12 apostles—Mitt Romney had been singled out as a destined leader.

--Snip--

was humming with talk that its president, Mitt Romney, would become the first Mormon president of the United States. “If not Mitt, then who?” was the ubiquitous slogan within the elite organization. The pious world of BYU was expected to spawn the man who would lead the Mormons into the White House and fulfill the prophecies of the church’s founder, Joseph Smith Jr., which Romney has avidly sought to realize.

--snip-- Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not accede to his demands that “they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.” Smith viewed capturing the presidency as part of the mission of the church. He had predicted the emergence of “the one Mighty and Strong” — a leader who would “set in order the house of God” — and became the first of many prominent Mormon men to claim the mantle.

--snip--

Romney is the product of this culture. At BYU, he was idolized by fellow students and referred to, only half jokingly, as the “One Mighty and Strong.”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: antichrist; prophecy; romney; whitehorse
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The article contains more, and obviously in this secular article they fail to mention it, but "the one Mighty and Strong" riding on a "White Horse" sounds an awful lot like the anti-Christ "White Horse" of Revelations.

I am not saying Romney ~IS~, but could be if true. As a born-again Christian; I feel it necessary to warn everyone. Call me nuts, but facts are facts (and this "prophecy" is a fact of history that both Smith and Brigham Young endorsed), and so are the actual prophecies of The Apostle John (who was inspired by the Holy Spirit to write what God showed him The Revelation or Apocalypse)..and this is eerily paralleled. -Just sayin.

1 posted on 02/26/2012 6:31:54 PM PST by JSDude1
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To: JSDude1

I do not agree with Romney, but suggesting that he is the antichrist is pure bullcrap.


2 posted on 02/26/2012 6:34:06 PM PST by Perdogg
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To: JSDude1
I think people on all sides are becoming desperate.

I have always been for Newt; some members here if you go back and read their posts, they go with the flavor of the poll; I don't like Mitt and think this is way over.

3 posted on 02/26/2012 6:40:17 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: JSDude1

They promised me a white horse and all I got was this whitewashed jackass.


4 posted on 02/26/2012 6:45:46 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips; but watch their hands!)
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To: JSDude1

What I find freaky about religion and the 2012 primary, is that if a Catholic Bishop, especially one believed to be destined to become a Cardinal or possibly Pope after his Presidency, were running for the GOP nomination, he and his church would come under deep scrutiny.

Bishop Romney is that guy, except not in a Christian church, but in a secretive cult.

As a Bishop and then a Stake President, Bishop Romney is expected to ascend higher in the Mormon church to at least the level of Cardinal, and possibly to the position of Prophet or Pope, as his uncle was in line to be when death claimed him. Mitt is also the son of a Bishop and is believed by many Mormons to be the fulfillment of the White Horse Prophecy.


5 posted on 02/26/2012 6:46:18 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: Perdogg

Actually, in the Greek, anti can mean instead of as well as against. John spoke of many anti-Christ’s, just as Jesus spoke of many false Christ’s. The references are parallel. Romney doesn’t have to be THE antichrist to be AN antichrist, and considering how completely Mormonism swallows up and displaces the simplicity of the Gospel, I do not find it a stretch to see Romney in that role.


6 posted on 02/26/2012 6:49:46 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: JSDude1
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7 posted on 02/26/2012 6:52:30 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: dragonblustar
If Romney wins, extra planets for everyone!

I don't care who you are, that there is funny!

8 posted on 02/26/2012 6:56:44 PM PST by Semper Mark (Militia of one.)
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To: JSDude1

Post what you find, JSDude1.

There is lots we all need to hear and sort out....don’t know what we can do, but ignorance is not a good defense.

We have Pres Zero, whose male ancestors were all Muslim or Mao Mao and himself a recent adherent to black lib theology bowing to Saudi Kings and apologizing for burned korans....you guys know the whole list so I won’t repeat...leading us to doom.

And now the GOP elite trying to body jam us with the follower of another false prophet who might just be trying to self actualize their view of the future.

Lord. I miss Clinton and Nixon. Both were weenies, but neither were trying to remake the times and the seasons.

Why couldn’t the Amish have an end times savior to offer us? They bake great pies at any rate and couldn’t use drones to spy on us or even tap our phones and e-mails.


9 posted on 02/26/2012 7:01:37 PM PST by Lowell1775
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To: Lowell1775

Note to self.....

Mau Mau. Stay current on proper spelling of savage, violent, and depraved tribal cults.


10 posted on 02/26/2012 7:05:52 PM PST by Lowell1775
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To: ansel12
What I find freaky about religion and the 2012 primary, is that if a Catholic Bishop, especially one believed to be destined to become a Cardinal or possibly Pope after his Presidency, were running for the GOP nomination, he and his church would come under deep scrutiny.

Bishop Romney is that guy, except not in a Christian church, but in a secretive cult.


Anybody who was in the top 2-3 spots, who believed the elected leader of their church was a prophet of God, would come under intense scrutiny during the primaries if they were a Christian.

But a Mormon? Nope. Why? The MSM is just waiting and hoping he gets the nomination so they can then bring it up.

If, God forbid, Willard gets the nomination, you can bet the MSM will make damn sure that all potential voters know things like Romney's allegiance to a man who falsely claims to be a prophet of God.

They will do a hit job on the Mormon religion. Couple of folks who are Mormon who live on my street, I brought it up, and both of them were worried about what the MSM would do to their religion if Willard gets the nomination.
11 posted on 02/26/2012 7:11:27 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: JSDude1

Bookmarked!


12 posted on 02/26/2012 7:18:17 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: JSDude1

This is speculative, and not terribly well written, but there are some worrisome things lying under some of those rocks.

The Catholic Church has declared that priests, let alone bishops, have to stay out of politics. It’s one thing or the other, but not both.

It is certainly noticeable that the LDS Church seems to be very interested in politics, and also in money making.


13 posted on 02/26/2012 7:20:50 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: af_vet_rr

The flip side of how the media will go after Bishop Romney’s Mormonism after a nomination, is that the conservative media would become the most effective Mormon apologists that the cult has ever seen.

Already some radio talk show hosts and conservative columnists have taken on the role of legitimizing and mainstreaming Mormonism to their mostly Christian audiences.


14 posted on 02/26/2012 7:22:03 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: af_vet_rr

I am likely to piss off many Christians on this Forum. As a former LDS Church member, who served a Mission to Zurich Switzerland in 1976-1978. I am now a practicing Nichiren Shoshu Buddhist. Those who believe Mormons are robots, brain washed and who are mindless drones. Are themselves fools, bigots and idiots.

There is a number of dissidents and dissenters wihin the Church. As long as they do not claim to speak for the Church, they are ignored. There was years ago a magazine sold in Utah that promoted their viewpoint.

There are many blogs and forums of Ex Mormons. Former President Ezra Taft Benson’s grandson left the church and has written in opposition to its teachings.

Mormons most of them are honorable, decent, family oriented folks who are devoted to their religion, consider themselves Christians and are decent neighbors. Some are too trusting and fail to recognize Snake Oil salesmen, and predators.

Those who consider there is some kind of conspiracy are gullible “Kool Aid” Drinkers spouting laughable nonsense. My problem with Mitt is he is not Conservative enough for me. He is in my view “Conservative Lite”.


15 posted on 02/26/2012 7:25:02 PM PST by Khankrumthebulgar
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To: af_vet_rr

I am likely to piss off many Christians on this Forum. As a former LDS Church member, who served a Mission to Zurich Switzerland in 1976-1978. I am now a practicing Nichiren Shoshu Buddhist. Those who believe Mormons are robots, brain washed and who are mindless drones. Are themselves fools, bigots and idiots.

There is a number of dissidents and dissenters wihin the Church. As long as they do not claim to speak for the Church, they are ignored. There was years ago a magazine sold in Utah that promoted their viewpoint.

There are many blogs and forums of Ex Mormons. Former President Ezra Taft Benson’s grandson left the church and has written in opposition to its teachings.

Mormons most of them are honorable, decent, family oriented folks who are devoted to their religion, consider themselves Christians and are decent neighbors. Some are too trusting and fail to recognize Snake Oil salesmen, and predators.

Those who consider there is some kind of conspiracy are gullible “Kool Aid” Drinkers spouting laughable nonsense. My problem with Mitt is he is not Conservative enough for me. He is in my view “Conservative Lite”.


16 posted on 02/26/2012 7:25:31 PM PST by Khankrumthebulgar
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To: af_vet_rr

Not a Romney supporter at all in the primaries. I’m in the same boat as your neighbors. I’m afraid of what the MSM will throw on their newscasts if Romney is the nominee.

Some will be true, some will be half true, some will be outright lies. A lot of it won’t have one tiny bit to do with Romney being president but it will still be on the national nightly news just for shock value.

The usual things of “Jesus and Satan were brothers” and “magic underwear” will be mild and us LDS members will be wishing for the days that’s all we had to put up with.


17 posted on 02/26/2012 7:27:23 PM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: af_vet_rr

Not a Romney supporter at all in the primaries. I’m in the same boat as your neighbors. I’m afraid of what the MSM will throw on their newscasts if Romney is the nominee.

Some will be true, some will be half true, some will be outright lies. A lot of it won’t have one tiny bit to do with Romney being president but it will still be on the national nightly news just for shock value.

The usual things of “Jesus and Satan were brothers” and “magic underwear” will be mild and us LDS members will be wishing for the days that’s all we had to put up with.


18 posted on 02/26/2012 7:27:38 PM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: JSDude1

Was the prophecy written in code on solid gold tinfoil?


19 posted on 02/26/2012 7:32:42 PM PST by matthew fuller (Elevators smell different to midgets.)
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To: JSDude1
I do not think you are nuts - I have had many of the same concerns but have been hesitant to vocalize them. I have studied a fair amount about the Mormon church. We lead mission trips to an orphanage in Mexico and several years ago a Mormon group came in to “serve” under false pretenses. (They claimed to be a group of homeschooling families from San Diego (which a few of them were) but most of their group was from Salt Lake and included one of the “High Priests” from the Temple. They were very deceptive and we quickly realized that they were trying to use the Mission's good name and reputation in the area in order to gain access.

The very first moment I met the “group leader” I knew that there was something evil and manipulative about him. Several of us tried to engage in conversations with him and he would say one thing to one person and something totally different to someone else. The first time I heard Mitt Romney speak, I got the exact same feeling. The Muslims call it Taqqiya - which is a doctrine meaning that it's totally OK to lie if it furthers the cause of Islam. I don't know if the Mormons have a word for it but it's very clear that they practice it. Many Mormons are good people who are trying hard to serve others and share God's love - but by the time you get as high up as Romney is, there is a lot of really strange, secretive stuff happening.

I will NOT vote for Romney under any circumstances and I urge all Christians to find out about the beliefs and practices of the Mormon church before they make their choice.

20 posted on 02/26/2012 7:32:54 PM PST by VikingMom (I may not know what the future holds but I know who holds the future!)
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To: Khankrumthebulgar

ROFLOL!!!!


21 posted on 02/26/2012 7:33:57 PM PST by Osage Orange (E tan e epi tas)
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To: Lowell1775

The Amish do, but I believe (though I am not Amish so I don’t really know most of their sects theology), but I believe is the Same Jesus as in the Bible, and therefore the actual savior.


22 posted on 02/26/2012 7:40:37 PM PST by JSDude1
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To: ansel12

Well you can count me out as being anything but someone who will “tell the truth in love” that they must be saved by Grace, through faith in Jesus, and only Jesus as in the Bible! At least I pray that God keeps my attitude as such. We do not hate Mormons, we only dislike their slave like religion!~ -J.J.S.


23 posted on 02/26/2012 7:43:58 PM PST by JSDude1
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To: JSDude1

Does Romney actually own a White Horse? His wife owns a Cadillac or two....maybe one of them is white. Does that count?


24 posted on 02/26/2012 7:45:52 PM PST by magritte (Nevermind)
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To: Springfield Reformer

Yes as in anti-Christianity...

and as a temple worthy member of the Mormon religion, bishop and high priest Romney is indeed that...


25 posted on 02/26/2012 7:51:54 PM PST by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Cicero
"It is certainly noticeable that the LDS Church seems to be very interested in politics, and also in money making."

And it's even scarier the things that they know about everybody's ancestry. You can bet the farm that they know exactly when/where/how and to whom Buckwheat was whelped.

26 posted on 02/26/2012 7:52:27 PM PST by matthew fuller (Elevators smell different to midgets.)
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To: JSDude1

It’s not too late for Romney to throw Mormonism under the bus and declare that in his heart, he’s always been a Baptist. Would anyone really be surprised?


27 posted on 02/26/2012 7:57:21 PM PST by Tau Food
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To: magritte

Good point. A white Mustang would seal it, or perhaps a white Bronco.

OMG, OJ is The One!!!


28 posted on 02/26/2012 8:04:58 PM PST by boomstick (One of the fingers on the button will be German.)
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To: JSDude1

Do we really want a Prez who wears magick underoos?


29 posted on 02/26/2012 8:11:40 PM PST by polkajello
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To: Khankrumthebulgar

Wow you are a Democrat according to your home page?

A non-Christian defending the anti-Christian cult, Mormonism from Christians, while attacking Christians as “fools, bigots and idiots”? An ex-Mormon yourself who became a Buddhist rejecting Christianity for a second time?


30 posted on 02/26/2012 8:18:03 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: JSDude1

Since when does posting articles from the leftist Salon constitute truth?

The “White Horse Prophecy” has been debunked and denounced by the LDS Church.

However, one of the main themes that it borrows from is accurate, that of the Constitution being threatened and the church and others helping to bolster it up and lift it up to the world as a standard of freedom.

I personally see Glenn Beck doing that much more than I would ever see Romney in that position.

For a more accurate reading of what the LDS believe about this, here is a good place to start.

http://www.latterdayconservative.com/quotes/


31 posted on 02/26/2012 8:50:16 PM PST by Allon
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To: Perdogg

“I do not agree with Romney, but suggesting that he is the antichrist is pure bullcrap.”

Just anti-Christian


32 posted on 02/26/2012 9:05:40 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (I wouldnÂ’t vote for Romney for dog catcher if he was in a three way race against Lenin and Marx!)
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To: Allon

The Salon has done some good reporting on Mitt Romney.


33 posted on 02/26/2012 9:05:43 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: Allon

http://www.ldsresources.net/white-horse-prophecy/

http://www.mrm.org/white-horse-prophecy

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2650021/posts

http://www.mormoncurtain.com/topic_josephsmithprophecy.html


34 posted on 02/26/2012 9:12:14 PM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Allon

The “White Horse Prophecy” has been debunked and denounced by the LDS Church.
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Oh dear...

There goes that Joey Smith was a true prophet thingy..


35 posted on 02/26/2012 9:15:03 PM PST by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: ansel12
They obviously didn't do their research. The LDS Church has denounced the so called “White Horse Prophecy”, time and time again. It wasn't official, was recorded a decade after the supposed event, and by two individuals not in official church capacity.

What Have Church Leaders Said About The White Horse Prophecy?

In General Conference, October 1918, Joseph F. Smith made the following comments:

The ridiculous story about the “red horse,” and “the black horse,” and “the white horse,” and a lot of trash that has been circulated about and printed and sent around as a great revelation given by the Prophet Joseph Smith, is a matter that was gotten up, I understand, some ten years after the death of the Prophet Joseph Smith, by two of our brethren who put together some broken sentences from the Prophet that they may have heard from time to time, and formulated this so-called revelation out of it, and it was never spoken by the prophet in the manner in which they have put it forth. It is simply false; that is all there is to it.

Elder Bruce R McConkie also commented on the “prophecy” in his book Mormon Doctrine:

From time to time, accounts of various supposed visions, revelations, and prophecies are spread forth by and among the Latter-day Saints, who should know better than to believe or spread such false information. One of these false and deceptive documents that has cropped up again and again for over a century is the so-called White Horse Prophecy. This supposed prophecy purports to be a long and detailed account by the Prophet Joseph Smith concerning the wars, turmoils, and difficulties which should exist in the last days.

In 2010 the Church released a statement on the “‘White Horse Prophecy’ and Political Neutrality“:

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is politically neutral and does not endorse or promote any candidate, party or platform. Accordingly, we hope that the campaign practices of political candidates would not suggest that their candidacy is supported by or connected to the church.

The so-called ‘White Horse Prophecy’ is based on accounts that have not been substantiated by historical research and is not embraced as Church doctrine.”

36 posted on 02/26/2012 9:15:22 PM PST by Allon
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What Did Joseph Smith Really Say?

Because the White Horse Prophecy has been dismissed by some Church leaders, there has been confusion from members of the Church with regard to other similar statements about the nation crumbling, the Constitution being on the brink of ruin and the Elders of Israel stepping up to save it. While the white horse prophecy may not be legitimate, there are several separate similar statements attributed to Joseph Smith.

The following is accepted as the most accurate, and verified, statement, and has been quoted by several modern prophets:

Even this nation will be on the very verge of crumbling to pieces and tumbling to the ground, and when the Constitution is upon the brink of ruin, this people will be the staff upon which the nation shall lean, and they shall bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction.

(Source: Joseph Smith Collection, LDS Church Historical Department. Joseph Smith on July 19, 1840.)

There are many similar statements attributed to Joseph Smith by Brigham Young, Orson Hyde, Eliza Snow and modern prophets such as Harold B. Lee and Ezra Taft Benson (I have found at least 41 statements along these lines). I believe there is sufficient evidence to conclude that Joseph Smith truly said the nation and Constitution would be on the brink of ruin/destruction and that this people (LDS) will be involved in saving it. All we really have to do is look around us and see the fulfillment of many of those ‘prophecies’ even including some of the statements found in the alleged white horse prophecy. What we have yet to witness is the Elders of Israel stepping up to save the Constitution. Let’s hope that happens sooner rather than later, if at all. In the meantime those who are liberty-minded have a lot of educating to do as we assist the Elders of Israel in waking up to their awful situation (Ether 8) and from ignorance and complacency.

Regardless of what the future holds, there are plenty of scriptures and teachings of modern prophets that tell us we do have a responsibility to stand up for Agency, Freedom, Liberty and the Constitution.

What The Prophets Have Said About The Constitution Hanging By A Thread

Ezra Taft Benson:

Will we be prepared? Will we be among those who will “bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction?” If we desire to be numbered among those who will, here are some things we must do:

1. We must be righteous and moral… 2. We must learn the principles of the Constitution and then abide by its precepts… 3. We must become involved in civic affairs… 4. We must make our influence felt by our vote, our letters, and our advice…

I have faith that the Constitution will be saved as prophesied by Joseph Smith. But it will not be saved in Washington. It will be saved by the citizens of this nation who love and cherish freedom. It will be saved by enlightened members of this Church — men and women who will subscribe to and abide the principles of the Constitution. ( Source: CHB 28-31 )

For years we have heard of the role the elders could play in saving the Constitution from total destruction. But how can the elders be expected to save it if they have not studied it and are not sure if it is being destroyed or what is destroying it?…

There is no excuse that can compensate for the loss of liberty.

Satan is anxious to neutralize the inspired counsel of the Prophet and hence keep the priesthood off balance, ineffective and inert in the fight for freedom. He does this through diverse means, including the use of perverse reasoning. . . .

The cause of freedom is a most basic part of our religion. Our position on freedom helped get us to this earth and it can make the difference as to whether we get back home or not. . . .

Now part of the reason why we do not have sufficient Priesthood bearers to save the Constitution, let alone to shake the powers of hell, is, I fear, because unlike Moroni, our souls do not joy in keeping our country free and we are not firm in the faith of Christ, nor have we sworn with an oath to defend our rights.

( Source: “Our Immediate Responsibility” 10-11; also in An Enemy Hath Done This 313-15 )

Harold B. Lee:

It was Joseph Smith who has been quoted as having said that the time would come when then Constitution would hang as by a thread, and at that time when it was thus in jeopardy, the elders of this Church would step forth and save it from destruction.

Why the elders of this Church? Would it be sacrilegious to paraphrase the words of the Apostle Peter, and say that the Constitution of the United States could be saved by the elders of this Church because this Church and this Church alone has the words of eternal life? We alone know by revelation as to how the Constitution came into being, and we, alone, know by revelation the destiny of this nation. The preservation of “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” can be guaranteed upon no other basis than upon a sincere faith and testimony of the divinity of these teachings.

( Source: “Faith – An Effective Weapon Against Wickedness in Men and Nations” 912-13 )

Joseph Fielding Smith:

The statement has been made that the Prophet [Joseph Smith] said the time would come when this Constitution would hang as by a thread, and this is true. There has been some confusion, however, as to just what he said following this. I think that Elder Orson Hyde has given us a correct interpretation wherein he says that the Prophet said the Constitution would be in danger… Now I tell you it is time the people of the United States were waking up with the understanding that if they don’t save the Constitution from the dangers that threaten it, we will have a change of government.

( Source: “Founded in the Wisdom of God” 416 )

Joseph F. Smith:

Joseph Smith, the prophet, was inspired to affirm and ratify this truth, and he further predicted that the time would come, when the Constitution of our country would hang as it were by a thread, and that the Latter-day Saints above all other people in the world would come to the rescue of that great and glorious palladium of our liberty. We cannot brook the thought of it being torn into shreds, or destroyed, or trampled under foot and ignored by men. We cannot tolerate the sentiment, at one time expressed, by a man, high in authority in the nation. He said: “The Constitution be damned; the popular sentiment of the people is the Constitution!” That is the sentiment of anarchism that has spread to a certain extent, and is spreading over “the land of liberty and home of the brave.” We do not tolerate it. Latter-day Saints cannot tolerate such a spirit as this. It is anarchy. It means destruction. It is the spirit of mobocracy, and the Lord knows we have suffered enough from mobocracy, and we do not want any more of it. Our people from Mexico are suffering from the effects of that same spirit. We do not want any more of it, and we cannot afford to yield to that spirit or contribute to it in the least degree. We should stand with a front like flint against every spirit or species of contempt or disrespect for the Constitution of our country and the constitutional laws of our land.

( Source: “The Mexican Trouble – Loyalty to the Constitution” 101-02 )

Lorenzo Snow:

They will sustain the constitution and laws and institutions of the United States, and be the champions of liberty and of that constitution when its integrity shall be threatened.

( Source: Journal History of the Church, 15 Sep 1898, 3 )

Wilford Woodruff:

The Prophet Joseph Smith had said the time would come when the principles of the Constitution would be forsaken and that instrument would be rent asunder, and this people would then step forward and rescue it from entire destruction.

( Source: Journal History of the Church, 6 Apr 1882, 3 )

John Taylor:

It may not be among the improbabilities, that the prophecies of Joseph Smith may be fulfilled and that the calumniated and despised Mormons may yet become the protectors of the Constitution and the guardians of religious liberty and human freedom in these United States.

( Source: Journal of Discourses 23:266 )

Need we be surprised that they should trample under foot the Constitution of the United States? No; Joseph Smith told us that they would do it. Many around me here knew long ago that they would do this thing and further knew that the last people that should be found to rally around the sacred instrument and save it from the grasp of unrighteous men would be the Elders of Israel! When, therefore, we see these things progressing need we be astonished? I do not think we need be.

( Source: Journal of Discourses 20:318 )

Brigham Young:

Every organization of our government, the best government in the world, is crumbling to pieces. Those who have it in their hands are the ones who are destroying it. How long will it be before the words of the prophet Joseph will be fulfilled? He said if the Constitution of the United States were saved at all it must be done by this people. It will not be many years before these words come to pass.

( Source: Journal of Discourses 12:204 )

Others Quoting What They Heard Joseph Smith Say…

Eliza R. Snow:

I heard the prophet Joseph Smith say… that the time would come when this nation would so far depart from its original purity, its glory, and its love for freedom and its protection of civil rights and religious rights, that the Constitution of our country would hang as it were by a thread. He said, also, that this people, the sons of Zion, would rise up and save the Constitution and bear it off triumphantly.

( Source: Eliza R. Snow 556 )

Orson Hyde:

I believe he [Joseph Smith] said something like this – that the time would come when the Constitution and the country would be in danger of an overthrow; and said he, If the Constitution be saved at all, it will be by the Elders of this Church. I believe this is about the language, as nearly as I can recollect it.

( Source: Journal of Discourses 6:152 – quoted by Orson Hyde )

Jedediah M. Grant:

We are friendly to our country, and when we speak of the flag of our Union, we love it, and we love the rights the Constitution guarantees to every citizen. What did the Prophet Joseph say? When the Constitution shall be tottering we shall be the people to save it from the hand of the foe.

( Source: Tyler 350 – quoted by Jedediah M. Grant )

James Burgess:

…Joseph Smith made some remarks upon our condition as a people and upon our future prospects contrasting our present condition with our past trials and persecutions by the hands of our enemies. Also upon the constitution and government of the United States stating that the time would come when the Constitution and Government would hand [sic] by a brittle thread and would be ready to fall into other hands but this people the Latter-day Saints will step forth and save it.

( Source: The Words of Joseph Smith 279 )

37 posted on 02/26/2012 9:17:54 PM PST by Allon
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http://www.latterdayconservative.com/faq/the-constitution-hanging-by-a-thread-and-the-white-horse-prophecy/


38 posted on 02/26/2012 9:18:40 PM PST by Allon
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To: Allon
Accordingly, we hope that the campaign practices of political candidates would not suggest that their candidacy is supported by or connected to the church.

94%

That's the number of Utah mormons that voted for Romney in the '08 primary.

39 posted on 02/26/2012 9:18:59 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: Graybeard58

That’s why Hatch gives me the heebegeebies. He plays up the Mormon angle in his campaigning. I think he’s going to lose.


40 posted on 02/26/2012 9:22:05 PM PST by Allon
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To: Domandred
I’m afraid of what the MSM will throw on their newscasts if Romney is the nominee.

Some will be true, some will be half true, some will be outright lies. A lot of it won’t have one tiny bit to do with Romney being president but it will still be on the national nightly news just for shock value.

The usual things of “Jesus and Satan were brothers” and “magic underwear” will be mild and us LDS members will be wishing for the days that’s all we had to put up with.


That will be an understatement.

Non-FReepers don't understand that the reason why the MSM is so eager to trash Santorum or Gingrich and why they work so hard to play up Romney is that they know they can walk all over Romney and the Mormons. All of the crazy crap that Joseph Smith and Brigham Young said, all of the crazy crap done by the break-away groups these days, all of the weird beliefs, etc. It will be front and center.

And you'll have plenty of Obama supporters looking for revenge after we dared bring up Reverend Wright.
41 posted on 02/26/2012 9:29:40 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

If they do, they will look mighty hypocritical, considering how they’ve all propped up and relied on Harry Reid for the last decade as Senate Majority Leader.

I’m not saying they wouldn’t throw Reid under the bus, which they undoubtedly will, but they will look really bad and two faced doing it.


42 posted on 02/26/2012 9:34:10 PM PST by Allon
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To: Allon
So the White Horse prophecy is not a part of Mormon culture, known to many Mormons and having been passed down by various church leaders, what has kept it so front and center among Mormons for 170 years?

Did the article say that it was official doctrine in the religion, I don't think it did.

43 posted on 02/26/2012 9:34:42 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: Allon; af_vet_rr
If they do, they will look mighty hypocritical, considering how they’ve all propped up and relied on Harry Reid for the last decade as Senate Majority Leader.

The media can destroy a Mormon Bishop, Republican Presidential candidate, while ignoring a Democrat Senator in a safe Nevada seat, while blind folded, and with one hand tied behind their backs, that would be nothing to them they do that kind of thing everyday.

44 posted on 02/26/2012 9:39:33 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: af_vet_rr
And you'll have plenty of Obama supporters looking for revenge after we dared bring up Reverend Wright.

Yes...but that brings up Rev. Wright all over again and I don't think they want to go there.

I'd say its a wash. The most Mormon bashing I have seen is right here on FR.

45 posted on 02/26/2012 9:40:20 PM PST by eddie willers
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To: ansel12

I would say it’s part of the Mormon culture, but doctrinally...no, it’s been thoroughly “torn to shreds”, to to speak. It’s not even hanging by a thread, considering how it’s been lambasted by Church leadership for the last 100 years.

Mormons that actually research this, know this. The reason it’s culturally significant is that it borrows elements of truth, that LDS actually believe, that the Constitution will hang in the balance and need to be saved, partially by members of the Church.

Do I think it’s Romney? Not on your life.

Ezra Taft Benson, who was President of the Church and also served as Secretary of Agriculture to Eisenhower for 8 years while he was an Apostle, said specifically that the Constitution would not be saved in Washington. (see above quotes)

I think Washington, and by definition the Government, is toast. Get your food and ammo, it’s going to get ugly.


46 posted on 02/26/2012 9:41:43 PM PST by Allon
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To: Allon

The article sounds pretty accurate then, it never said it was Doctrine, I don’t believe and it seems to permeate Mormon culture.

Anything that helps us keep Romney out of the White House, is all for the good, and good for America, to that we can all give a hearty, patriotic cheer.


47 posted on 02/26/2012 9:54:43 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: ansel12

Ah, but it does say it, and words it oh so craftily and subtly. Lost of people on this thread buying it too.

“Out of Smith’s national political ambitions grew what would become known in Mormon circles as the “White Horse Prophecy” — a belief ingrained in Mormon culture and passed down through generations by church leaders that the day would come when the U.S. Constitution would “hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber” and the Mormon priesthood would save it.”

It doesn’t separate the WHP from the borrowed theme, then uses it in the title. That’s just really bad reporting.


48 posted on 02/26/2012 10:01:11 PM PST by Allon
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And it even says Church Leaders teach it, when in fact they do just the opposite and denounce it.

Yellow journalism at it’s finest. Thanks Salon.


49 posted on 02/26/2012 10:02:52 PM PST by Allon
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To: Allon

Seems alright to me, many Mormons seem to believe this about Mitt and that is what the article is about.

You were the one misleading when you tried to dismiss it by pretending they were claiming it was Mormon “doctrine”.

Writing about Romney’s bizarre religion is a necessary part of getting out the facts on him and his bizarre obsession with being President.


50 posted on 02/26/2012 10:07:18 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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