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Ministry denies plan to buy German submarines (Taiwan)
Taipei Times ^ | Mon, Feb 27, 2012 | Rich Chang

Posted on 02/26/2012 8:01:45 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki

Ministry denies plan to buy German submarines

By Rich Chang / Staff Reporter

The Ministry of National Defense yesterday denied a magazine report saying Taiwan plans to procure four German-made -diesel-electric submarines that were originally intended for Greece.

The Hong Kong-based Chinese-language magazine, Asian Week, reported in its latest edition that Greece had ordered four Type 214 diesel-electric submarines from German company Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft GmbH (HDW), but because Greece was struggling to save itself from bankruptcy and was unable to pay for the submarines, HDW planned to sell them to Taiwan.

The report said HDW would otherwise face bankruptcy.

The ministry yesterday released a statement denying the report.

The ministry said Taiwan has been seeking to acquire diesel--electric submarines through an arms sale from the US. It would be a government-to-government procurement, the ministry added.

According to the Asian Week report, HDW officials in October secretly visited Taipei to discuss selling the four Type 214 submarines to Taiwan and that the military showed interest in the sale.

The report said the military told HDW officials that if the submarines did not cost more than US$800 -million each, if the company could promise between 10 and 20 years of logistics maintenance and if the company represented Taiwan to negotiate with the US and the US agreed to the arms sale, Taiwan would procure the submarines.

The report added that HDW had officially informed the US about the proposal.

The Type 214 is a diesel-electric submarine developed by HDW. It features diesel propulsion with an air-independent propulsion system using Siemens polymer electrolyte membrane hydrogen fuel cells.

The Asian Week report said the Type 214 was one of most advanced diesel-electric submarines in the world and could meet Taiwan’s defense requirements.

In 2001, former US president George W. Bush’s administration offered to provide eight diesel-electric submarines to Taiwan for about US$12 billion.

The deal did not materialize due to political wrangling in Taiwan’s legislature, moves by the Chinese Nationalist Party (KMT) and the US to appease Beijing amid efforts at cross-strait reconciliation and pressure from China on Washington.

Military experts have said the ministry had given up on acquiring submarines from the US and had decided to launch an indigenous program with foreign assistance.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: germany; ssk; submarine; taiwan

1 posted on 02/26/2012 8:02:01 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I don’t blame them one, tiny bit.

Better for the gear 2b from the USA, but hey, they gotta survive....

This doesn’t surprise me at all —more power to them.


2 posted on 02/26/2012 8:22:04 PM PST by gaijin
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To: gaijin

The US doesn’t have such gear. So even if wanted, they would have to procure from some European country or Japan.


3 posted on 02/26/2012 8:26:15 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Apart from attack subs, should Taiwan purchase several Tridents as a deterrent?


4 posted on 02/26/2012 8:31:29 PM PST by Kennard
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To: Kennard

They should have done that three decades back. Now there are too many impediments to it-political, technical, budgetary. Taiwan got it’s last 2 submarines in the late 80s; the Chinese have purchased or built at least 24 conventional submarines in the period after that.


5 posted on 02/26/2012 8:49:17 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Kennard

We wouldn’t sell these. It is a shame that Taiwan did not declare independence after Tienanmen Square. However the ruling part, the KMT is a Chinese party whose allegiance is to the mainland. They have given up their dreams of conquering it, and want to merge with it now that the PRC is less communist than fascist and Han supremacist with socialist leanings, just like the old KMT.


6 posted on 02/26/2012 11:47:08 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: rmlew
We wouldn’t sell these.

... as in Tridents.

It is time that our allies start sharing the defense burdens. In Asia, the Four Tigers should buy Tridents and we should sell them to them. There is no risk that they will switch sides over the next two decades. As for the KMT, why are they considering purchasing diesel subs if they are supposedly so cosy with the PRC? I agree with your assessment that China is fascist and Han supremicist, but disagree that they only have "socialist leanings" The PRC is still a full-tilt mixture of communism and fascism.

7 posted on 02/27/2012 6:46:16 PM PST by Kennard
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To: Kennard
It is time that our allies start sharing the defense burdens. In Asia, the Four Tigers should buy Tridents and we should sell them to them.
Japan can go nuclear any time it wants. South Korea might need a few years. But the US does not sell ballistic missile subs. We do sell SLBMs to the British. The Taiwanese do not need a boomer. They could go for the same detterence as Israel, which uses similar diesel electric subs armed with cruise missiles.
8 posted on 02/29/2012 9:00:32 AM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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