Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

The Gospel according to "Glee"? (live-and-let-live attitude toward sexual politics & religion)
Patheos ^ | 02/23/2012 | Brian Kirk

Posted on 02/26/2012 8:21:30 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Does high school musical sitcom "Glee" go out of its way to be hostile to Christianity? Some may think so, given the matter-of-fact treatment in so many episodes of teen drinking, drug use, sex, pregnancy, and its acceptance of same-gendered relationships. As a progressive Christian and fan of the show, even I wonder at times if they are pushing the envelope a bit too far. I've often commented that I'm not sure younger teens should be watching the show. It is, after all, an exaggerated, satirical look at how adults view adolescence. I'd be a little worried if some middle-schooler watching the series sits there thinking, "Oh, so that's what high school is going to be like!"

Several episodes have dealt with the issue of faith (most famously the season two episode "Grilled Cheezus"), but most often the Christian characters are depicted as either hypocrites or espousing a sort of "believe whatever you want but believe something" sort of attitude. In fact, the writers depict the few nominally Christian characters as perfect examples of moralistic therapeutic deism—an understanding of the Christian faith that maintains that God is only important to life when we need something from "him" and faith is ultimately only necessary to the degree to which it helps us live happily and achieve our personal goals. All of this to say that "Glee's" depiction of Christianity up to now has been somewhat realistic perhaps, but definitely not flattering.

Then comes along the February 14 episode "Heart." It's Valentine's Day and the McKinley High Christian club, the God Squad, has decided to raise money by performing singing telegrams throughout the school. Meanwhile, girlfriends Brittany and Santana are called into the principal's office for a minor public display of affection in the hallway. When Santana argues that straight students kiss in the hallways all the time, the principal admits to the double standard but says he's responding to complaints from several conservative students. Unwilling to let this injustice stand, Santana pays The God Squad to perform a singing love letter to her girlfriend.

But will they do it? Everyone seems to be on board except the newest God Squad member, Joe Hart. He's just not sure it's the right thing to do. But by the end of the episode, Joe has prayed over the question and concludes they will sing for Santana because "Love is love." This turn of the plot came to me as a bit of a surprise. I'm used to seeing conservative and evangelical Christian values depicted on TV and in films. But for once here was someone espousing the inclusive justice-oriented values of progressive Christianity. I wonder if any of the teen audience that night figured this was just some pie-in-the-sky "Glee" plot twist or if they understood that there really are Christians who would agree with Joe's realization that compassionate love is more important than the constant debate over what people do in their bedrooms.

Recent polls would indicate that "Glee's" live-and-let-live attitude toward sexual politics and religion are in line with much of the population in the United States. Attitudes in this country continue to shift toward greater inclusion of those who identify as gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered. Gallup polls in 2011 show that, for the first time, a majority of Americans favor legalizing gay marriage. The United States military has done away with its policy of "don't ask, don't tell," and the Defense of Marriage Act looks to be the next piece to fall in the wall that has long kept LGBT persons at arm's length in U.S. culture.

Additionally, polls of persons under the age of 30 show that the majority support greater inclusion of LGBT persons. These findings echo those indicating that many young people (including teens who identify as Christian) view the church negatively because of its seemingly hostile attitude toward persons of minority sexual orientations. Relatedly, recent studies by The Barna Group indicate that youth who had once been active in church but are no longer often point to the church's overly simplistic or judgmental view of sexuality as a main reason for their disconnect.

These changes suggest a cultural (if not theological) shift amongst youth that will represent a real and perhaps painful struggle for many in both mainline and conservative churches who do not believe that openness on the issue of sexuality is compatible with the Christian faith. However, it would seem clear that the church risks irrelevance if we fail to engage in honest and open dialogue with youth on these issues. In a way, the Gospel according to "Glee" simply mirrors the movement of Christian youth in this country away from seeing religion as a set of strict moral rules (do's and don'ts) that separate people and toward a dynamic faith centered in justice, inclusion, and a way of celebrating the dignity and worth of all God's people. If this is the wave of the future for Christianity in the United States, I imagine that more groups like "Glee's" God Squad will find themselves perfectly at home within our country's progressive congregations.

-- Rev. Brian Kirk is an ordained pastor in the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) and currently serves an inner-city church in St. Louis, Missouri. He also teaches as adjunct faculty at Eden Theological Seminary, and co-writes the blog rethinkingyouthministry.com.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: celebratesin; culturewar; gaystapo; glee; gospel; homofascists; homosexualagenda; hookupculture; indoctrination; lavendermafia; perverts; teensex; whoreofbabylon

1 posted on 02/26/2012 8:21:41 PM PST by SeekAndFind
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

My daughter, raised RIGHT, stopped watching the thing because her internal sensors said that despite the wonderful music, they were Just Attacking Our Values as Christians. You KNOW that thirty years ago, it would just be about the music.


2 posted on 02/26/2012 8:24:37 PM PST by 50sDad (A Liberal prevents me from telling you anything here.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
"progressive Christian and fan of the show"???

What the hell is a "progressive" "Christian"? FAKE CHRISTIAN ALERT; that's all.

3 posted on 02/26/2012 8:25:38 PM PST by WXRGina (Further up and further in!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
Rev. Brian Kirk is an ordained pastor in the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) heretic, borderline apostate, and apologist for militant faggotry.
4 posted on 02/26/2012 8:29:53 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: WXRGina

Glee has no live and let live attitude. It is all gay Kurt all the time. As phoney as the leftist gay agenda “progressive Christian” minister author of this article.


5 posted on 02/26/2012 8:31:51 PM PST by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

They often have characters bashing Christians and “bible thumpers”.

Nothing tolerant about that perverted show


6 posted on 02/26/2012 8:32:59 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 50sDad

God loves us all...so much that instead of letting us be damned to hell because of our sins, he sent part of Himself to say “Hey, you should TRY not to sin and when you fall short I will pay the bill...if you accept Me as payment. Incidentally, if you try to get My children to sin by confusing them, it would be better for you to be thrown into the ocean with a millstone tied around your neck than what awaits you upon your Judgement.” Making sin “inclusive” just means more people get caught in it.


7 posted on 02/26/2012 8:37:37 PM PST by 50sDad (A Liberal prevents me from telling you anything here.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Williams
Glee has no live and let live attitude. It is all gay Kurt all the time. As phoney as the leftist gay agenda “progressive Christian” minister author of this article.

Not having a television, much less cable, I have never seen this show, but I have read snippets about it on the Internet, and I just assumed it was a homo-propagnda program.

I see I am right.

8 posted on 02/26/2012 8:39:02 PM PST by WXRGina (Further up and further in!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
However, it would seem clear that the church risks irrelevance if we fail to engage in honest and open dialogue with youth on these issues

SSDD

9 posted on 02/26/2012 8:39:02 PM PST by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: WXRGina

Basically, the gay writers hijacked the show for their agenda.


10 posted on 02/26/2012 8:42:31 PM PST by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Williams

RE: It is all gay Kurt all the time.

There used to be a time when it was called : “The love that dares not speak its name”

Now, it’s the love that won’t shut the F up.


11 posted on 02/26/2012 8:47:44 PM PST by SeekAndFind
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

But the Glee crowd is actually as cruel to Christians who don’t believe in gay marriage as people used to be to gays in school.

There is no societal improvement. Just a different group swirling opponents’ faces in the verbal toilet bowl.


12 posted on 02/26/2012 8:55:10 PM PST by Yaelle (Rick Santorum for People's Representative)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Glee has become an unwatchable Hollyweird agenda show. The music is still good, but I am concerned with the nonstop Hollyweird agenda that has taken control.

Initially, there was only Kurt, “the gay kid”. Then, after several years, they brought in Blain to be Kurt’s boyfriend. Now, high school’s most popular show had it’s first gay couple. Then, like rapidly falling dominoes, Britany and Santana suddenly became the firt lesbian couple to join the first gay couple and now, the former football player who was throwing the slurpees in the glee club members’ faces announces to Kurt that HE’S gay!!

What the heck is in the drinking water at this soundstage high school? Because the agenda goes on. Mr Schu announced on one recent episode that by 2030 Spanish will be the most common language in the world and assigned the kids to sing songs in Spanish. I live in S. Texas and hear enough Spanish and Spanish music everyday, I DON’T want to hear it on an American made TV show. So I left the room because my wife still watches this piece of Hollyweird trash! When I tune in a show on TV, I want to hear English. I’m tired of feling like a foreigner in my own country!!

I am also tired of seeing Hollyweird’s perverted agenda overtaking EVERY aspect of our lives and Glee is off my list. Between the growing cadre of gay couples in this perverted high school, the weekly sex romps between at least 2 of the “kids” and the rest, what was once an interesting concept (MTV with a plot!) has become perverted, agenda garbage.

The sooner this show is cancelled, the more . . . glee there will be.


13 posted on 02/26/2012 8:56:48 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

“As a progressive Christian and fan of the show”

Oxy moron alert. I can call myself the Queen of England, but it doesn’t make it so. The show is vile and no true Christian could be a fan.


14 posted on 02/26/2012 8:57:19 PM PST by pops88 (Geek chick over 50)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

I was a HUGE fan of the old “FAME!”, it was almost a story of my life, then.

I turned in to Glee, ONCE, and was so turned off by the All-Gay-All-The-Time B.S., that I turned it off in minutes, and have never watched it, again.


15 posted on 02/26/2012 8:59:04 PM PST by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
>> “The Barna Group indicate that youth who had once been active in church but are no longer often point to the church's overly simplistic or judgmental view of sexuality as a main reason for their disconnect.”<<
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

The Barna Group also reports that 85% of children from highly active evangelical homes will NOT be active in their faith 2 years after graduating from high school. On the other hand, 95% of homeschools will be active.

Could it be that attending godless, secular, and socialist-entitlement schools destroys faith? Hm?

16 posted on 02/26/2012 9:00:49 PM PST by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Mindless pap from a “progressive Christian”.


17 posted on 02/26/2012 9:02:51 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pops88

“Oxy moron”

For the slow, I purposely made “oxymoron” two words. I also didn’t make it through one episode without turning it off.


18 posted on 02/26/2012 9:03:15 PM PST by pops88 (Geek chick over 50)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Williams

Basically, the gay writers hijacked the show for their agenda.


And they didn’t have to. “Frasier” had gay writers, actors, producers, and their priority was great comedy, first and foremost.


19 posted on 02/26/2012 9:05:58 PM PST by Yaelle (Rick Santorum for People's Representative)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

placemark.


20 posted on 02/26/2012 9:07:25 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Ok. Forget the progressive Christian homosexualist garbage part for a second. Why is someone named “Brian” a fan of the show? It is just such an alien concept to me that an adult male would be into this thing, lib agenda or not. A show about a high school glee club with singing and dancing? Come on. That has to be pretty low on the all-time list of TV premises, at least for men to watch. I have a hard time imagining any man digging this thing, with or without any gayness going on (in the show, that is). It would be torture, just painfully boring. I mean holy cow, Brian. Switch it to one of those jewelry shopping shows, women’s soccer or something else that is slightly less awful already. Baby steps Brian, you have to ween yourself off this stuff.

Freegards


21 posted on 02/26/2012 9:19:51 PM PST by Ransomed
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Yaelle
cruel...as people used to be to gays in school

No one was cruel back in the day because it was illegal to be homosexual. Kids in school were not having sex of any kind so there were no gays.

22 posted on 02/26/2012 9:28:12 PM PST by donna (The United States Constitution and the Koran are mutually exclusive.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Yaelle

They intentionally target young kids to normalize the vile acts of sodomy. That is the only reason that there is a growing acceptance of such a dysfunctional, immature behavior. It is the Marxist brainwashing by the MSM and the hollywood sodomites (why aren’t the producers that were passing around the Corey boys in their homosexual orgies—arrested?????)’ Homosexuality is a learned behavior. Glorifying it is glorifying child abuse.

Jerry Brown__ARREST those homosexual producers raping boys!!!!!!! Why aren’t they in jail 6 months ago when Corey Feldman said they were still out there!!!

They have an agenda—it is to pervert and seduce young boys into homosexuality-—like in Afghanistan-—where the pretty boys can’t wait to have a harem. They want to recreate pagan Greece where men have access to young boys. This is where the movement is headed. Even APA is trying to remove the stigma of pedophilia and renaming it to intergenerational sex—good Marxist euphemism again.

This kicking out Natural Law and God’s Laws is an attack on the Constitution and Natural Family and Christianity———to destroy family and morality so that children are left vulnerable to predators and brainwashing. They want useful idiots.


23 posted on 02/26/2012 10:13:52 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Glee???? What is that?


24 posted on 02/26/2012 10:17:39 PM PST by Isabel2010
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: donna

What school did you go to? In mine, people joked about gays, and a guy who wore makeup and platform shoes was routinely beat up in the locker room and one of the coaches supported this action. People called people gay for dumb reasons, as an insult. There were two obese science teachers, women, who lived together. A lot of jokes were said about them.


25 posted on 02/26/2012 11:49:40 PM PST by Yaelle (Rick Santorum for People's Representative)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Yaelle

It was better when I was in school. No pressure and kids were generally kind to each other. That’s what it was like before abortion and divorce changed our culture.


26 posted on 02/27/2012 1:50:17 AM PST by donna (The United States Constitution and the Koran are mutually exclusive.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
As a progressive Christian and fan of the show, even I wonder at times if they are pushing the envelope a bit too far.

...and by "progressive" he means "non-Biblically based".

27 posted on 02/27/2012 2:19:10 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: DustyMoment

The show will never be canceled, because it is a public service anouncement. On the flip side, probably 1/2 of the high school students in my town don’t speak English at home (and that number is rising), and I don’t think they bother watching this garbage.

This nonsense targets the dwindling number of “Anglo-Americans” left in this country, so I don’t know that it will have long-term impact. I’d be much more concerned if they were broadcasting it in Hindi, Ordu, or Tagalog - then we’d still be dealing with the repercussions 20 years down the road.


28 posted on 02/27/2012 4:05:17 AM PST by kearnyirish2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
Recent polls would indicate that "Glee's" live-and-let-live attitude toward sexual politics and religion are in line with much of the population in the United States.

No kidding. Especially in the "inner city," where this fool is a pastor and where hardly any children grow up in a real family anymore. But that is no problem for somebody who thinks his job is facilitating dialogue rather than setting moral standards.

29 posted on 02/27/2012 5:32:33 AM PST by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

Born gay, as gay as the wind blows
As gay as the grass grows
Born gay to follow your heart

Live gay and beauty surrounds you
The world still astounds you
Each time you look at a star

Stay gay, where no walls divide you
You’re gay as the roaring tide
So there’s no need to hide

Born gay, and life is worth living
But only worth living
‘Cause you’re born gay

(Stay gay, where no walls divide you)
You’re gay as the roaring tide
So there’s no need to hide

Born gay, and life is worth living
But only worth living
‘Cause you’re born gay


30 posted on 02/27/2012 5:50:23 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: DustyMoment

RE: Initially, there was only Kurt, “the gay kid”. Then, after several years, they brought in Blain to be Kurt’s boyfriend. Now, high school’s most popular show had it’s first gay couple. Then, like rapidly falling dominoes, Britany and Santana suddenly became the firt lesbian couple to join the first gay couple and now, the former football player who was throwing the slurpees in the glee club members’ faces announces to Kurt that HE’S gay!!

____________________________

And of course they just had “gay” Ricky Martin as guest instructor just a few episodes ago.

As I said in a previous post — There used to be a time when it was called : “The love that dares not speak its name”

Now, it’s the love that won’t shut the F up.


31 posted on 02/27/2012 5:55:12 AM PST by SeekAndFind
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

They actually are cruel and dismissive to all sorts of people, including those like gays who think the show is their friend.

Last week, a gay guy (who in earlier seasons was THE antagonist against the gay lead character — which itself was hilarious, that the only “anti-gay” stuff on the show was from ANOTHER GAY GUY), was harrassed with someone painting “Fag” on his locker, and being harassed, and he tried to kill himself.

But not ONE student was punished in any way for what, in the real world, would result in expulsion. Of course, two weeks earlier an “evil gay” guy threw rocks at the Glee gay guy, and didn’t even get suspended from school, much less arrested and thrown in jail, even though they have a tape of him confessing.

That same “evil gay” guy was the real reason the gay guy this week tried to kill himself, because the evil gay guy told him he should give up because he was ugly, and should go back to the closet where he belonged.

The show has all these “gay” and “lesbian” people, and they are almost all either evil, or insensitive, or so naive as to be stupid. One is given the brain of a 5-year-old, and she had slept with the entire football team before the more evil female lesbian essentially took her as her prize.

I still like the music, and just ignore the rest of the show.


32 posted on 02/27/2012 10:52:42 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: DustyMoment

He only did the spanish thing because he wanted to get “teacher tenure” and he sucked as a teacher. If I were a teacher, and still had a brain anyway, I’d be pissed off at how teachers are portrayed. If I were gay, I’d hate how they portray gays. If I were a glee club singer, I’d hate how they portray glee folks. Same with the principle, the counselors, and the school system.

McKinley high is the only school left in the country where you are legally allowed to throw slurpies at people IN SCHOOL, and not be punished in any way, shape or form. All types of harrassment are in fact tolerated and encouraged, even by teachers themselves.


33 posted on 02/27/2012 10:58:52 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Yaelle
What school did you go to? In mine, people joked about gays, and a guy who wore makeup and platform shoes was routinely beat up in the locker room and one of the coaches supported this action.

I stopped watching during the first season because of Kurt. The less than 1 percent gays took over 99 percent of the show content. I read that in real life, the kid that portrays Kurt was that lone gay kid in his high school in a small town, routinely mocked. So he took over the show to vent his gay-ness. Stupid perverted show.

34 posted on 02/27/2012 11:38:34 AM PST by roadcat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: CharlesWayneCT

Frankly, Charles, I DON’T CARE why the characters do/did what they did.

1) I’m tired of being made to feel like a foreigner in my own country.

2) I’m tired of the Hollyweird all-gay, all-sex, all-perversion, all-liberal agenda being shoved into my living room. This is why the number of watchable TV shows continues to shrink in my house - MOST are simply infantile liberal garbage!!


35 posted on 02/27/2012 3:10:41 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson