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The First Crusade, the true story
ekathimerini.com ^ | By Peter Frankopan

Posted on 02/27/2012 12:07:26 AM PST by DeaconBenjamin

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1 posted on 02/27/2012 12:07:31 AM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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If I remember my history correctly,in June 1099 Crusaders began a five-week siege of Jerusalem, which fell in July 1099.


2 posted on 02/27/2012 12:11:24 AM PST by U-238
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The preaching of the First Crusade inspired an outbreak of anti-Jewish violence. In parts of France and Germany, Jews were perceived as just as much an enemy as Muslims: they were held responsible for the crucifixion,


3 posted on 02/27/2012 12:22:12 AM PST by U-238
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To: U-238
Yeah, but after they took the city, they marred their victory by conducting a general massacre of Muslims, Jews, and even Christians in the city, the streets of which ran red with blood.

Siege of Jerusalem

People have to be careful with allusions to the Crusades since many of the crusaders had more worldly motives for going east rather than simply defending the faith. And they were tough, brutal men in their own right.

4 posted on 02/27/2012 12:23:56 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

You are very correct!


5 posted on 02/27/2012 12:24:33 AM PST by U-238
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My brother has visited many Crusader sites in the Middle East. I have helped him in getting the necessary visas for countries.


6 posted on 02/27/2012 12:28:18 AM PST by U-238
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Why did they pick the middle of summer for the siege is beyond me.


7 posted on 02/27/2012 12:32:48 AM PST by U-238
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To: Timber Rattler

Sure, many Crusaders having broken through after a long siege, lost control and dishonored their oaths. But that doesn’t take away from the fact that there still many Crusaders who took the long, dangerous journey with honorable motives.

Sir Raymond of Toulouse, after capturing Jerusalem, was asked if he wished to be crowned the ruler of Jerusalem. He turned it down, saying, “I refused to wear a crown of gold in the city where my Savior wore a crown of thorns.”


8 posted on 02/27/2012 1:01:02 AM PST by guinnessman
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To: DeaconBenjamin

None of this is new.


9 posted on 02/27/2012 1:54:50 AM PST by VietVet (I am old enough to know who I am and what I believe, and I 'm not inclined to apologize for any of)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

read


10 posted on 02/27/2012 3:18:47 AM PST by sauropod (You can elect your very own tyranny - Marc Levin)
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Would it be possible to imagine Jesus Christ leading the Crusades, or calling forth a Crusdade on his behalf?


11 posted on 02/27/2012 3:26:31 AM PST by LibFreeUSA (Pick Your Poison)
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“.....calling forth a Crusdade on his behalf?”

He did by using the voice of a Pope. n/s


12 posted on 02/27/2012 3:55:53 AM PST by cameraeye (A happy kaffir!)
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To: Timber Rattler
Ah, the Black Legend. Read your own source, Rattler:

No Eastern Christians were massacred

Contrary to what is sometimes alleged, no eyewitness source refers to Crusaders killing Eastern Christians in Jerusalem, and early Eastern Christian sources (Matthew of Edessa, Anna Comnena, Michael the Syrian, etc.) make no such allegation about the Crusaders in Jerusalem. According to the Syriac Chronicle, all the Christians had already been expelled from Jerusalem before the Crusaders arrived.[25] Presumably this would have been done by the Fatimid governor to prevent their possible collusion with the Crusaders.

The Gesta Francorum claims that on Wednesday August 9, two and a half weeks after the siege, Peter the Hermit encouraged all the "Greek and Latin priests and clerics" to make a thanksgiving procession to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.[26] This indicates that some Eastern Christian clergy remained in or near Jerusalem during the siege. In November 1100, when Fulcher of Chartres personally accompanied Baldwin on a visit to Jerusalem, they were greeted by both Greek and Syrian clerics and laity (Book II, 3), indicating an Eastern Christian presence in the city a year later.

13 posted on 02/27/2012 5:23:29 AM PST by dangus
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Charles Martel or Charles the Hammer the great grandfather of Charlemagne was the first to defend Europe form the invading Muslims. The muslims attacked Europe before any Europeans attacked the middle east. The muslims showed their true colors to Charles Martel and the methods of the Muslims was known after that. Muslim invasion of nearby countries was of great concern of the Europeans.
14 posted on 02/27/2012 5:41:04 AM PST by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Current secular scholarship on the Crusades says that this legend is false. The streets did not run with blood. The “massacre” was hugely exaggerated in the chronicles.

Does that mean the victorious Crusaders were perfect little angels.

No.

But the first rule in historical research is to evaluate sources critically. It is common for accounts of military victories to be exaggerated.

Regarding the massacres of Jews in some times in Germany. This was mob action; the bishops did their best to protect the Jews. Socio-economic issues as well as religious issues were involved.


15 posted on 02/27/2012 5:44:19 AM PST by Houghton M.
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To: LibFreeUSA
Would it be possible to imagine Jesus Christ leading the Crusades, or calling forth a Crusdade on his behalf?

That will be at his second coming.

16 posted on 02/27/2012 5:50:13 AM PST by Library Lady
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To: LibFreeUSA

It had little to do with religion and more to do with taming the Arab/Persian threat to Europe.


17 posted on 02/27/2012 6:00:12 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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“Muslim invasion of nearby countries was of great concern of the Europeans.”

And now the West welcomes Muslim invasion through its insane immigration system.


18 posted on 02/27/2012 6:00:24 AM PST by SharpRightTurn ( White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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Jews, of course, kept records of the locales and families murdered by the Crusades.

Just as now there is a whitewashing of the murder of Jews during the Crusades, there will be ‘serious scholars’ in the future whitewashing the Holocaust.

But the day-by-day facts can be found:

http://www.chabad.org/calendar/view/day.asp?tdate=4/30/2012

Today in Jewish History

In the early 1070s, the Muslim Turks commenced an offensive against the Christian pilgrims in Jerusalem. Pope Gregory VII offered his help to defend the Greek Christians, but the army he promised never materialized.

In 1095, his successor, Urban II, began to call for a holy war to liberate the Christians in Jerusalem. By the next year, more than 100,000 men had rallied to his call, forming the First Crusade. Urban and the local clergymen in Europe felt that the Crusade had another purpose as well—to annihilate all non-Christians in Europe who refused to convert to Christianity.

On their way to the Holy Land, the mobs of crusaders attacked many Jewish communities. On Shabbat, the 8th of Iyar, the Jews of Speyer (Rhineland-Palatinate), Germany were massacred. Many of the Jews of Worms, Germany were also massacred on this day; some of them took refuge in a local castle for a week before being slaughtered as they recited their morning prayers (see “Today in Jewish History” for Sivan 1).

Link: The First Crusade


19 posted on 02/27/2012 6:09:36 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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And now the West welcomes Muslim invasion through its insane immigration system.

Looks like the muzzies and the liberals have much in common.

20 posted on 02/27/2012 6:27:55 AM PST by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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