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Latest scientific 'game-changer' in abortion debate will send ended pregnancies soaring
Jewish World Review ^ | 2/27/2012 | Lisa M. Krieger

Posted on 02/27/2012 6:36:19 AM PST by Former Fetus

Full title: Latest scientific 'game-changer' in abortion debate, out this week, will send ended pregnancies soaring but prevent heartache, suffering

Raising the prospect of a world without birth defects, a Stanford-created blood test that can detect Down syndrome and two other major genetic defects very early in a woman's pregnancy will be available this week.

The simple blood test spares women the risk and heartache of later and more invasive tests like amniocentesis.

But it has startling social implications — heralding a not-distant future when many fetal traits, from deadly disease to hair color, are known promptly after conception when abortion is safer and simpler.

(Excerpt) Read more at jewishworldreview.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; downsyndrome; eugenics; moralabsolutes; prenataldiagnosis; prolife; trisomy
Will it be covered by Obamacare? Here we go, Brave New World!

Come soon Lord Jesus! This world is in a mess and only going to get worse!

1 posted on 02/27/2012 6:36:35 AM PST by Former Fetus
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To: Former Fetus

Soon we will be like China. Allowed only one “perfect” child.


2 posted on 02/27/2012 6:43:34 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Former Fetus

When my ob-gyn offered some Down Syndrome test, I refused it because I was having the child no matter what. People of conscience will do the same. So, is the next step to force the test on those expecting babies and refuse to pay for the expenses of Down Syndrome babies?


3 posted on 02/27/2012 6:48:26 AM PST by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Former Fetus
Raising the prospect of a world without birth defects, a Stanford-created blood test that can detect Down syndrome and two other major genetic defects very early in a woman's pregnancy will be available this week.

When does the one that detects homosexuality become available?
4 posted on 02/27/2012 6:50:55 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.)
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To: Former Fetus
Raising the prospect of a world without birth defects, a Stanford-created blood test that can detect Down syndrome and two other major genetic defects very early in a woman's pregnancy will be available this week.

When does the one that detects homosexuality become available?
5 posted on 02/27/2012 6:51:04 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.)
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To: Former Fetus

You got that right. America is just begging for a harsh judgement.


6 posted on 02/27/2012 6:52:48 AM PST by mrsmel
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To: PeterPrinciple

How about the one that detects Democrats (or liberal socialists) ?


7 posted on 02/27/2012 6:54:13 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: yldstrk

Maybe not the next step, but, yes it is a step along the way.


8 posted on 02/27/2012 6:56:07 AM PST by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Former Fetus

If this test isn’t absolutely 100% accurate,
they are dooming “healthy” babies to death.

I for one don’t believe a “downs” baby has any less value than a “healthy” baby.


9 posted on 02/27/2012 6:56:41 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: yldstrk
When my ob-gyn offered some Down Syndrome test, I refused it because I was having the child no matter what.

We did the same.

10 posted on 02/27/2012 6:58:07 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Former Fetus

Think of all the wars, slavery, suffering and discrimination that has happened because of the shape of a persons nose, or the color of their skin. Now what do you think will happen when there really is a superior race?
11 posted on 02/27/2012 6:59:13 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: yldstrk

When I first refused prenatal testing (and I was relatively old and was on medication for epilepsy) my physician went nuts. But I know exactly how you felt, I was going to have my baby no matter what, so all it would do was to “ruin” the pregnancy. I wrote a page-long letter, detailing what I knew about the risks to the baby and how I was refusing testing. And signed it. At least it got him off my case, and I went on to thoroughly enjoy the pregnancy and have a perfect baby girl! But you’re right, how long before these tests are forced upon expecting moms? What is my daughter going to face when she gets pregnant? There’s only one solution, and that is for the Lord Jesus to come and get His church out of this mess!


12 posted on 02/27/2012 7:00:23 AM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: yldstrk
So, is the next step to force the test on those expecting babies and refuse to pay for the expenses of Down Syndrome babies?

Yes. And further, refusal to accept abortion of a Downs Syndrome baby will be deemed proof that you are mentally ill, and a judge will order you forcibly subjected to abortion and then sterilized

13 posted on 02/27/2012 7:00:46 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: yldstrk
Mrs Wbill and I skipped the amnio, but checked everything that could be checked via ultrasound. We wanted all of the information that we could have on the baby (babies) going into the delivery, without any invasive procedures.

That being said, there were no certainties provided. All we received is a "There is a 1 in 5000 chance that the baby will have xxxxxxxx Syndrome, a 1 in 3750 chance that...." and so on.

I can't imagine aborting a baby, period. But to make the decision based on what amounts to a dice roll? "Maybe it's this, but maybe not?" Foolish.

14 posted on 02/27/2012 7:04:37 AM PST by wbill
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To: MrB
dooming “healthy” babies to death

GMTA. See my post 14.

15 posted on 02/27/2012 7:05:34 AM PST by wbill
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To: PeterPrinciple
When does the one that detects homosexuality become available?

Any prenatal test for a tendency to go homosexual will be deemed a hate crime. Anybody doing research on such a test will be denied any government funding forever. Any doctor performing such a test will have a lawsuit brought against him. Any lab processing such a test will be burned to the ground.

Think I'm exaggerating? Look up the treatment given those who dared to go on record opposing gay marriage, and tell me what gay activists will do if such a test becomes feasible.

16 posted on 02/27/2012 7:05:57 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: Former Fetus

....and we thought we won the war against the Nazis..............


17 posted on 02/27/2012 7:08:12 AM PST by Red Badger (If you are unemployed long enough, you are no longer unemployed.)
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To: PapaBear3625; PeterPrinciple

You’re right, papa - that research won’t even be allowed to be done, much less funded.

Have you seen the study that shows the correlation between childhood sexual abuse and the incidence of homosexuality? Me niether.


18 posted on 02/27/2012 7:09:52 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Former Fetus

:: how long before these tests are forced upon expecting moms? ::

If we don’t repeal Obamacare, it will become a reality.


19 posted on 02/27/2012 7:14:52 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: wbill

Oh definitely I did ultrasound, that was a great thing.


20 posted on 02/27/2012 7:21:01 AM PST by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: PeterPrinciple

Homosexuality is not genetic. It is borne of being molested as a kid.


21 posted on 02/27/2012 7:28:17 AM PST by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: GonzoGOP

I was going to post that too. The movie is supposed to be a frightening warning about what could happen in the distant future, if we do not pay attention to morality, not a reality created today to save on medical costs so that the federal government can afford the gender reassignment surgeries that matter to their voters. The far left seems to be taking all the movies and novels that I thought were a little too far over the top (Gattaca, Atlas Shrugged, and others), and using them as blueprints.


22 posted on 02/27/2012 7:33:54 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: yldstrk
"...force the test on those expecting babies and refuse to pay for the expenses of Down Syndrome babies?"

This is such a grey area....the decision should be between the woman, her husband and her doctor. NOT the government or others whose opinions may differ.

23 posted on 02/27/2012 8:05:54 AM PST by yoe
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To: UCANSEE2

[ How about the one that detects Democrats (or liberal socialists) ? ]

Actually it could be detected as a “mental disorder” as most of the hard core leftists are proven to be mentally defective, go look at Anita Dunn, she has Tardrive Diskinesa(sp) which is a side effect of harsh psychotropic drugs used to treat things like schizoprenia and bi-polar disorder.


24 posted on 02/27/2012 8:15:03 AM PST by GraceG
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To: Pollster1

[ I was going to post that too. The movie is supposed to be a frightening warning about what could happen in the distant future, if we do not pay attention to morality, not a reality created today to save on medical costs so that the federal government can afford the gender reassignment surgeries that matter to their voters. The far left seems to be taking all the movies and novels that I thought were a little too far over the top (Gattaca, Atlas Shrugged, and others), and using them as blueprints. ]

The left is so damned cynical of the people’s ability to govern themselves via the Republic model they just CRAVE a system where the academic elite who “know better” are allowed to govern all of the “little people and the know nothings” who they deem are either mentally or genetically defective enough who are in their opinion unable to make their own “right” decisions.

They are ultimately Cynical of humanity and this shows in almost ALL of their policies, fromt he trans fats bans to their condescending ideas of social justice and minorities.


25 posted on 02/27/2012 8:18:00 AM PST by GraceG
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To: SampleMan; yldstrk

Here, as well.


26 posted on 02/27/2012 8:25:32 AM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Former Fetus

It’s not going to send abortions soaring, because only a small number of abortions are done for chromosomal reasons. 80% of detected DS pregnancies are already aborted, and 80% of undetected DS pregnancies miscarry naturally, usually early on.

They test women who’ve already had a baby with a chromosomal abnormality, but fetal cells linger in the mother’s body after the pregnancy, so it’s possible that cells from a previous baby will be detected.

I’m sure they’ll follow up any positive result (medicine is strange - positive usually means bad) with CVS or amnio before going on with abortion.

Not that this is a good thing.


27 posted on 02/27/2012 8:27:34 AM PST by heartwood
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To: Former Fetus

Eugenics making a big resurgence...

Hitler 2.0 on deck!!!


28 posted on 02/27/2012 8:29:13 AM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: PeterPrinciple

“When does the one that detects homosexuality become available?”

Your question is asked in semi-jest, but someday, this may indeed become “ascertainable” through testing at some point during fetal development.

Hypothetical question (not directed at you personally):

Suppose you are a “conservative couple”, STAUNCHLY opposed to both the concepts of homosexuality and abortion.

And, suppose, during the course of [what will someday become] routine testing, your doctor informs you that your developing in utero male child will in certainty be a “born homosexual”?

What do you do?


29 posted on 02/27/2012 8:33:19 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: Road Glide
Suppose you are a “conservative couple”, STAUNCHLY opposed to both the concepts of homosexuality and abortion. And, suppose, during the course of [what will someday become] routine testing, your doctor informs you that your developing in utero male child will in certainty be a “born homosexual”? What do you do?

I don't see a moral conflict there. Suppose (as is true) I am a conservative opposed to abortion and to adultery. And suppose, during the course of [what will someday become] routine testing, my doctor informs my that my wife's developing in utero male child will in certainty be a born with a temptation to commit adultery. I would have the child, of course, and teach him to place God's Word above whatever urges he may have that violate God's Word. That sounds like the situation that I expected for all of my male children and for a rather large fraction of males born worldwide. Is there a dilemma that I missed? Is there some expectation that God may ask nothing of us beyond that we follow our own whims and desires, or that our carnal desires should take precedence over our duty to God?

30 posted on 02/27/2012 9:24:42 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: GraceG

Wow. Stardrive Dyslexia. I had a girlfriend who had that. She was schizo and bi-polar (so she claimed).


31 posted on 02/27/2012 9:55:10 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: heartwood
Not that this is a good thing.

Let's just cut to the chase and have everyone sterilized after their genes are cloned and then have designer babies grown in test tubes.

I mean, the movie has been out a long time. We have the technology. What could possibly go wrong?


32 posted on 02/27/2012 10:01:20 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: yldstrk

“So, is the next step to force the test on those expecting babies and refuse to pay for the expenses of Down Syndrome babies?”

Yup. Watch for the new HHS rule that says insurance companies can exclude coverage for those who either refuse the test, or refuse to abort babies who test positive.


33 posted on 02/27/2012 2:14:53 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: GraceG

That is why I am afraid we will see a second American revolution down the road.


34 posted on 02/29/2012 2:53:43 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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