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Text message Tells Ft Stewart Wife of Husband's Death
WSAV ^ | February 24, 2012 | WSAV

Posted on 02/27/2012 10:49:39 AM PST by TSgt

Two Fort Stewart soldiers were killed in Afghanistan.

25 year old Sgt. Joshua A. Born of Niceville, Florida and 22 year old Cpl. Timothy J. Conrad Jr. of Roanoke, Va. died Feb. 23, in Nangarhar province, Afghanistan, of wounds suffered when their unit came under small arms fire.

They were assigned to the 385th Military Police Battalion, 16th Military Police Brigade (Airborne), XVIII Airborne Corps, Fort Stewart, Ga.

According to an interveiw she did with WPSD-TV in Paducah, Kentucky, Joshua Born's wife lives in Illinois, and found out about her husband's death not through military channels, but when someone sent her a text message.

"It's crazy how I found out," said Megan Born.

"She got a text from an army wife on post who had heard," said Cindy Parker, Megan's mother.

He'd been shot to death in the chest near the military police post in Afghanistan where he worked.

"We didn't quite believe that anything happened to him. We thought it was just a mix-up," said Parker.

Parker said she and her daughter started making calls.

They'd just talked to Josh hours before. He'd told them the violence was getting worse.

"Somehow it had leaked out and somebody told her on Facebook," said Parker.

Parker said another Army wife posted information about Josh's death on Facebook. That's how the news spread.

"Finally, a major called her and let her know that Josh had been shot, that he didn't make it through surgery," said Parker.

"There's been people adding me on Facebook that I don't even know just so they can tell me they're sorry," explained Megan.

The Army is investigating how information about Josh's death was leaked.

Megan and her mother are heading to Dover Air Force Base in Delaware, where Josh's body will arrive Sunday.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; fallen; fortstewart; militaryfamilies; soldiers
Terrible...
1 posted on 02/27/2012 10:49:43 AM PST by TSgt
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To: TSgt
Sad. But I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often. With cell phones and the internet right on the front line, the bad news can be all over the internet before the next of kin finds out through the official channels.
2 posted on 02/27/2012 10:52:57 AM PST by apillar
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To: TSgt

Somebody f’d up. The military takes death notifications seriously...whoever leaked that information may be in trouble.

}:-)4


3 posted on 02/27/2012 10:55:37 AM PST by Moose4 ("Oderint dum metuant" -- "Let them hate, as long as they fear." (Lucius Accius, c. 130 BC))
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To: TSgt

Heartbreaking. Prayers for family.


4 posted on 02/27/2012 10:56:04 AM PST by FES0844
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To: TSgt

Military life is hard for married people.

That being said, let me rant a minute:

This GD war SUCKS!!! If we’re not going to fight hard and unmercifully, then we have no business being there and putting our warriors in harms way.

Either blow the shit out of that place and get the hell out, or just leave it alone and get the hell out. But let’s get out of there already.

The Afghan people don’t give a rats ass about the blood we have spilled in their barren wasteland (the Iraqi’s have shown a lot more gratitude, which ain’t sayin’ much).

This is no way to fight a war.


5 posted on 02/27/2012 10:56:15 AM PST by Retired Greyhound (.)
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To: apillar

I can’t imagine what that other Army wife was thinking, posting news like this on FB before making sure notification of NOK had been made. What happened to, “There, but for the grace of God, go I”? How would she have liked to get this kind of news in this way?

Colonel, USAFR


6 posted on 02/27/2012 10:57:25 AM PST by jagusafr ("Write in Palin and prepare for war...")
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To: Retired Greyhound

BUMP.
Good rant. I agree.


7 posted on 02/27/2012 11:02:46 AM PST by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: TSgt
"loose lips sink ships"

I've always held the belief that cell phones were an excellent means to help with morale for our combat troops overseas, but with this tragic incident, I now have second thoughts.

This could very well have negative military wide repercussions.....

8 posted on 02/27/2012 11:03:35 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (The only solution to this primary is a shoot out! Last person standing picks the candidate)
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To: jagusafr

Social media is turning everyone into stupid blabbermouths...even people who ought to know better.


9 posted on 02/27/2012 11:04:39 AM PST by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: TSgt
Its much easier for common communication to let out sensitive information. During the First Gulf War, We knew the moment the attack began because one of my client's sons called her from a phone booth at the border of Kuwait right before it commenced. Here at FR we knew that Clinton was sending Cruise Missiles to Afghanistan after Bin Laden because someone on the ship that launched them let us know. We also knew the minute the USS Hartford ran aground in Italy because someone was on the cell phone with family when it happened.

Hate to say it, but if we know the enemy surely does too.

10 posted on 02/27/2012 11:05:48 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: TSgt
I grew up on Air Force bases and one of the most sobering, horrifying thing is to be a kid playing and see a staff car pull into the housing area.

To receive a death notification outside of official channels and over a text message of all things is sickening beyond comprehension.

11 posted on 02/27/2012 11:06:31 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: apillar

I agree, we are so much more connected today, than we were just a few years ago. Most phones have Facebook capabilities today, texting is just standard. And with the laundry-list of “Friends” on a Facebook page - it’s quite likely that every Army wife has other platoon wive’s on their Friends list.

And it all begins with a friend saying “I was at lunch, and I heard gunfire ... Tom got killed”. This starts as a text, and explodes before the proper channels even have a chance to respond.


12 posted on 02/27/2012 11:08:03 AM PST by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: apillar

I think the problem lies with the military. Too bad it wasn’t an Afghanistan wife - Obama could have apologized to her.


13 posted on 02/27/2012 11:10:38 AM PST by GOPJ (GAS WAS $1.85 per gallon on the day Obama was Inaugurated! - - freeper Gaffer)
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To: TSgt

It is the age of real-time reports directly from the battlefield.

I would not be surprised at shot-by-shot tweets of the action by soldiers.


14 posted on 02/27/2012 11:12:44 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: Retired Greyhound

I couldn’t agree more.

Change the rules of engagement or leave. We aren’t winning hearts and minds. They don’t have hearts to win or souls for that matter.


15 posted on 02/27/2012 11:14:00 AM PST by TSgt (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.)
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To: TSgt

I truly feel badly toward Mrs. Born. This was a total degradation of the system, and the U.S. military is to blame. They have allowed the system to erode so horribly that technology speeds ahead of the proper, dignified and time honored (albeit sad) tradition of notification. Where is there human compassion when this takes place? This is part of the U.S. military’s legacy under Obama. Obama has continued this total farce by apologizing to Afghanistan. Get out of that mess immediately! Obama has absolutely no business being Commander in Chief. He takes no responsibility and hasn’t an iota of leadership ability!


16 posted on 02/27/2012 11:16:29 AM PST by Ranger Warrior ("To stand in silence when they should be protesting makes cowards out of men." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Retired Greyhound

Agreed - there is no reason to be there any longer like this.

Not one more US life is worth it for these animals and beasts.


17 posted on 02/27/2012 11:17:21 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Retired Greyhound

AGREED!!!! In SPADES!

Our boys have no ride home, however! Convenient, huh?

Betrayed by our government, particularly our military serving, these guys have no ride home.


18 posted on 02/27/2012 11:18:59 AM PST by RitaOK (LET 'ER RIP, NEWT. Newt knows where all the bodies are buried, because he buried them.)
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To: TSgt
25 year old Sgt. Joshua A. Born of Niceville, Florida and 22 year old Cpl. Timothy J. Conrad Jr. of Roanoke, Va. died Feb. 23, in Nangarhar province, Afghanistan, of wounds suffered when their unit came under small arms fire.

This report doesn't match up with earlier reports. Eariler reports said they were shot by someone in an Afgan military or police uniform.

19 posted on 02/27/2012 11:20:36 AM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican
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To: Moose4; apillar; TSgt

Moose, did someone screw up? yes and no. Yes in that someone who knew the soldier had died contacted someone else with the news and that was relayed; to me the fault is on whoever sent out the first tweet or whatever. No, in that with cell phones tweeting and twerting and whatever, modern communications have gotten news events inside the official military chain of command.


20 posted on 02/27/2012 11:24:11 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Moose4; apillar; TSgt

Moose, did someone screw up? yes and no. Yes in that someone who knew the soldier had died contacted someone else with the news and that was relayed; to me the fault is on whoever sent out the first tweet or whatever. No, in that with cell phones tweeting and twerting and whatever, modern communications have gotten news events inside the official military chain of command.


21 posted on 02/27/2012 11:24:23 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
the most sobering, horrifying thing is to be a kid playing and see a staff car pull into the housing area.

Agreed. My next door neighbor (a good friend) has two sons and a daughter-in-law who are Air Force pilots, and I panic every time I see those white government plates. Such relief when they keep driving and make it past his house.

22 posted on 02/27/2012 11:34:45 AM PST by Semper911 (When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
I grew up on Air Force bases and one of the most sobering, horrifying thing is to be a kid playing and see a staff car pull into the housing area.

I experienced that as as kid in 1969. It was my friend's dad that was killed (AF pilot shot down over Thailand), but I still remember it to this day.
23 posted on 02/27/2012 11:35:27 AM PST by crosshairs (Maranatha!)
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To: apillar

That’s why we implement “communications blackouts” after we have KIAs. It’s not lifted until home station Rear Detachment tells us that the next-of-kin has been notified. Primarily a blackout involves cutting off the unclassified internet, collecting cell phones, and padlocking the MWR phone trailers.


24 posted on 02/27/2012 11:39:56 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: crosshairs

the scene in “We Were Soldiers Once..” when the taxi driver
asks for help finding the correct address to deliver the telegram is one of the most moving scenes I’ve ever watched..


25 posted on 02/27/2012 11:41:27 AM PST by RitchieAprile
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To: RitchieAprile
the scene in “We Were Soldiers Once..” when the taxi driver asks for help finding the correct address to deliver the telegram is one of the most moving scenes I’ve ever watched..

Nothing will ever top the scene in "The Fighting Sullivans."

26 posted on 02/27/2012 11:42:47 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: TSgt

There is no way that I would ever post on FB or text someone my condolences over such a terrible loss. I find it hard to imagine that an entire generation considers it normal.....


27 posted on 02/27/2012 11:45:03 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Retired Greyhound

This GD war SUCKS!!! If we’re not going to fight hard and unmercifully, then we have no business being there and putting our warriors in harms way.

Either blow the shit out of that place and get the hell out, or just leave it alone and get the hell out. But let’s get out of there already.

The Afghan people don’t give a rats ass about the blood we have spilled in their barren wasteland (the Iraqi’s have shown a lot more gratitude, which ain’t sayin’ much).

This is no way to fight a war.

Seems like we were saying the same thing back in the 60's and 70's about another sh!thole.

28 posted on 02/27/2012 12:02:36 PM PST by FReepaholic (Stupidity is not a crime, so you're free to go.)
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To: Retired Greyhound
ABSOLUTELY AGREE with you 300%. I am sick and tired of this type of "WAR", which it is not. AMERICA wins WARS.

I am not a Paulbot, but it is past time to get our men and women out of that hell hole.

All these years of this police campaign, and how many of ours killed. What do we have to show for it, we won nothing, got nothing out of it except death. Ben Laden is dead (?), GET THE HELL OUT, that was what we were there for anyway.

No matter what we do to try and free them, bring them into the 21st century living standards, they won't. They love Ghetto, lets give it to them, even if we bomb the place we will only improve their living conditions.

Bomb pakistan, bomb Iran, bomb Afganeeestan and any other STAN over there. I hate these people.

29 posted on 02/27/2012 12:08:57 PM PST by annieokie
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To: TSgt
Somebody remind me again why we've wasted so much blood and treasure trying to build a functioning nation out of this hopeless, worthless, deranged hell-hole?

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

30 posted on 02/27/2012 12:09:02 PM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: TSgt
I agree that's the wrong way to find out but...

The story implies the army didn't notify her which both you and I know isn't true. The story should stress that social media informed the wife before the military did officially.

I have been on the notification teams before. I assure you that we took the process very seriously and we knew we were up against a "grapevine" that was fast and efficient.

31 posted on 02/27/2012 12:09:24 PM PST by pfflier
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To: Retired Greyhound

Retired Greyhound, I agree with every word you wrote.


32 posted on 02/27/2012 12:23:06 PM PST by LucyT
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To: Ranger Warrior
My prayers, for little they are worth, go out to all 6 of our military dead from the Florida Panhandle. That's right 6 in the last week.

As for how Mrs Born was notified. It is, unfortunately, a logical outgrowth of Vietnam. Having dinner one night with my girl friend's family when her mother screamed out that she just saw her son on the nightly news. As I remember he wasn't injured but he was there on the TV.

For those who don't remember Vietnam the daily casualty counts frequently ran into the hundreds. The worse part wasn't the numbers or names of friends but the images of the wounded and living on the nightly news during dinner. You never knew if that fleeting image of a friend was his last or not.

The military communication channels haven't changed since Korea nor are they likely to, too many jobs tied up in the formal communications systems. The rest of the world moves at 4G while the military’s non-mission essential traffic moves at carrier pigeon speed. Personally, I would much rather have more “Private Ryan's” than another Sgt Born.

33 posted on 02/27/2012 12:34:30 PM PST by Nip (TANSTAAFL and BOHICA)
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To: TSgt

I did two notifications and in both cases, the family already knew by the time I got there. And I got there quick.
I did Casualty Notification Officer, Funeral Detail OIC and Casualty Assistance Officer. Sad sad sad. Nobody hates war more than Soldiers.


34 posted on 02/27/2012 12:37:52 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Hodar
BUMP. Good rant. I agree.

I do too.

35 posted on 02/27/2012 4:24:57 PM PST by OldPossum (ou)
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To: apillar

When my son was over there I got the impression that the soldiers were under strict rules on what they could and could not say. I know there were times we were talking on skype and he would indicate that he couldn’t say when asked a question. I think someone broke the rules and let this through.
Thank goodness he came home from this hell hole in January.


36 posted on 02/27/2012 4:36:37 PM PST by virginia lurker
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To: TSgt

The standard procedures used to be that all non mission essential comm (including Morale WiFi, Morale Phones, noncritical duty section email/phones) was suspended in the event of a Troops In Contact (TIC) or casualty.

Non mission essential comm was restored once the next of kin received their initial notification. This is the specific reason for that policy.

We didn’t have this crap happen when I worked casualty!


37 posted on 02/27/2012 4:43:55 PM PST by Grizzled Bear (No More RINOS!)
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