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Bankerís Insulting Waitress Tip Incites Class Warfare Between the 1% and the 99%
Yahoo News ^ | 27 Feb 2012 | Melissa Knowles

Posted on 02/27/2012 12:04:08 PM PST by Repeat Offender

Just when you may have thought the ongoing battle between the 99% and the 1% was dying down, it may have been reignited. A wealthy banker left a $1.33 tip on a $133 lunch at the True Food Kitchen restaurant in Newport Beach, California.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: economics; minimumwage; ows; tip; tippers; tippings; tips; ungratefulservers
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To: freeandfreezing
Also, since the person who took the photo ate lunch and got served by the same waitperson they could and should have tipped the waitperson themselves if they felt the waitperson was getting mistreated. But they didn't.

I've had that happen, and to prevent being burned by an angry boss, I went back and paid the tip later, discreetly.

101 posted on 02/27/2012 1:46:04 PM PST by Cyber Liberty ("If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." --Winston Churchill)
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To: Abby4116
Because their minimum wage per hour is $2.13.

Federal Minimum Wage Act mandates $7.25/hr. Some states pay more than that...like Washington State, where it's $9.04/hr.

102 posted on 02/27/2012 1:48:09 PM PST by lonevoice (Klepto Baracka Marxo, impeach we much.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
I've had that happen, and to prevent being burned by an angry boss, I went back and paid the tip later, discreetly.

One day at lunch saw what I figure the employer pay the bill and tip and as the boss walked away from the table, the employee a few seconds behind quickly grabbed the tip and stuff it in his pocket as he walked away from the table.

103 posted on 02/27/2012 1:50:10 PM PST by trailhkr1
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To: trailhkr1

That doesn’t surprise me. The guy probably lies to the boss all the time, and will eventually get sacked for it.


104 posted on 02/27/2012 1:53:52 PM PST by Cyber Liberty ("If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." --Winston Churchill)
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To: BelegStrongbow

You’re very welcome.

First off, thanks for ignoring my many typos, and I’m sorry for my impatient tone, but I was getting ready to eat, and the first post I made didn’t come through, and got erased. So I was a little miffed at starting over. This topic is also a bit of a pet peeve of mine, because there are several editorials written into the local paper each month about this very issue, and the entitled youngsters get upset that they’re not making 6-figures (that’s entirely possible in Vegas, where I’m originally from).

Oh, and yes, as you said, I have waited tables, for years, as a matter of fact. I have done everything in restaurant service from dish washing to being a cook, cashier, server, delivery driver, wait staff, supervisor, assistant manager to General Manager (over multiple locations).

As I said in an earlier post, I rarely eat out anymore. The service in the area I live is terrible, perhaps the worst in my experience. I have won an award from the chamber of commerce in Las Vegas, including breakfast with the mayor. When working for a large restaurant, I was employee of the month on occasion, and I have also had out of towners write into the paper to name me by name. I worked for one restaurant chain, and had more comment cards sent into the corporate office than all other employees at all others stores combined for nearly a decade (all positive). I’m not trying to toot my horn, but rather qualify that I understand good, and bad, service. When I was younger, I would always tip (being from Las Vegas, where service is great), regardless of service, because I knew that everybody has a bad day. I’ve lived in my current area (there are multiple small towns, but only one large, main, one) for the better part of a decade, and not only is the food not very good, but the service is terrible. At first I would just tip my minimum (15-20%) if the service wasn’t good. But then I began to not tip when I would have really bad wait staff. (Only once or twice have I had really “good” staff here, the rest varied from, pretty bad to, “don’t come back”).

Anyway, that’s why I have the pet peeve. In places where I have to hail another server because mine’s busy flirting with college boys, or I have to go looking for someone to get me a drink because my server is in the back, texting, and on and on, I figure, “Why bother?” I was, after all, a cook, so I can make it at home, for half the price, and exactly to my taste. That having been said, I think we should get rid of the whole tipping process altogether. Someone higher up in the thread said that if we did that, then we’d have food cost 30% more. That’s pretty inflated. A well run restaurant has between 20-24% labor costs. Well, it’s full service and you remove the cooks, supervisors, dishwashers, etc. who aren’t paid in tips, then if you raised your servers to $10/hour, you may see a 2-4% cost increase, depending on what your meals cost in the first place. If a waitress is serving 5 tables/hour, and in theory gets an 8 dollar/hour raise, then each table pays about $1.60 more per meal. Now, that depends on the number of people sitting at the table, but let’s say it was for 3 people, or 50 cents a plate. Well, if each person orders $15 of food, then the cost goes up by about 3.5%. So it depends on how much you’d pay them, and the demographics, etc. But I’d rather pay the 3.5% and not hear all the yapping about the 15%, 20%, or 25% now being asked for as a tip. I know this post was lengthy, but that’s why I don’t agree with tipping at all. However, the side consequence is that restaurants are very competitive, especially right now, and many cannot afford the labor cost, or to raise prices. So, there’s probably no really good solution to all the problems in the situation.


105 posted on 02/27/2012 2:07:44 PM PST by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: Bruinator

Excellent point. I made a comment outlining that further down the thread, but sadly, it was full of typos. Thanks for making that clear and concise.


106 posted on 02/27/2012 2:10:21 PM PST by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: Bruinator

Excellent point. I made a comment outlining that point, further down the thread, but sadly, it was full of typos. Thanks for making that clear and concise.


107 posted on 02/27/2012 2:10:42 PM PST by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: trailhkr1

I’ve had that happen a few times. Once it was the guys brother in law (I knew the main man, as he was a regular, and explained he had family visiting). It was a huge group of 15+ people that ook a long time to set up and break down, and left a huge mess. The BIL waited until the rest of the family left out the doors, and then he took the tip that the regular guy had left me. I was pretty hot about it. More than one incident like that in my time, too.


108 posted on 02/27/2012 2:14:53 PM PST by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: gdani

Reservoir Dogs - Tipping Scene (Warning: Language)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4sbYy0WdGQ


109 posted on 02/27/2012 2:24:17 PM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Repeat Offender

Tipping should not become an entitlement. I consider it an insult and ripoff to be required to pay over and above the bill. I do not tip my teller, banker, grocer, cashier at checkout, car repair mechanic, my handyman, my mailman, garbage collector and may other people who provide services to me.


110 posted on 02/27/2012 2:25:28 PM PST by kp2hot
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To: Cyber Liberty

Best of luck getting a case put together.

And never insult the people handling your food. Being right won’t stop snot in your food. Or worse. If you frequent a place, make sure you treat the help good.

Yes it is extortion, but larger firms do the same thing to their customers all the time.


111 posted on 02/27/2012 2:39:26 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: SkyDancer
Well actually it's only the high end restaurants where tipping is done.

I haven't eaten at a Sizzler in 30 years or a Johnny Rockets in probably 10, and as I recall, California Cafe is a "fast casual" where you order at the counter, pay, and then go sit and wait for your number to be called. The basic rule is that any place that has a waiter who comes to where I'm sitting, who takes my order, and who brings a check at the end is someone who gets a tip. It has nothing to do with "high end," since I also tip at the little breakfast spot around the corner from my house.

112 posted on 02/27/2012 2:40:49 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: JDW11235

30% is about right. You forgot taxes for wages that the restaurant would have to pay.

I know of a place that tried it, and that was the result. Also, they had to pay the wait staff more because to attract good help. In the end they went back to tips, because it was cheaper for them.


113 posted on 02/27/2012 2:40:49 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: henkster
The tip could be a protest at being gouged by the bill.

Rich, arrogant, and unable to read a menu is no way to go through life.

114 posted on 02/27/2012 2:55:15 PM PST by x
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To: Sudetenland

lol.

“Get a real job” was already taken

Go to the corner and shake a metal cup. Those are also called tips?


115 posted on 02/27/2012 2:58:31 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: EDINVA

It should remain voluntary.

No-one is going to work for $2.13 an hour, and nobody does.


116 posted on 02/27/2012 3:00:26 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: trailhkr1

I bet in states where the gratuity is mandatory the service really stinks.


117 posted on 02/27/2012 3:02:17 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Paddyboy
When I was a bartender we always had a little special surprise for stiffs when they showed their face again,and they always did since stiffs are self-absorbed morons.

Just out of curiosity, do you mean stiffed, as in the tip, or stiffed, as in the check?

118 posted on 02/27/2012 3:23:27 PM PST by Erasmus (BHO: New supreme leader of the rollin' homey empire.)
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To: GeronL
Some folks have class and some don't . . . you clearly belong in the latter category. Tips are earned by the service being rendered to the customer. Those who don't tip (in our society) are simply low-class trash.

Perhaps someday fate will deal you a hand in which you too are faced with being a waiter or being a bum--I think you have already indicated which you would choose.
119 posted on 02/27/2012 3:24:05 PM PST by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: Repeat Offender

“So proudly does he wear his 1% badge of honor that he tips exactly 1% every time..”

Excellent!


120 posted on 02/27/2012 3:38:12 PM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: GeronL

Well, being an independent lot, we Americans seem to think the whole tipping thing is up to us. It suits ‘our’ personality.

No one does work for $2.13 an hour .. that’s the point, BUT $2.13/hour is what restaurants/bars pay their waiters/waitresses. Customers’ tips make up the difference (which can be significant).


121 posted on 02/27/2012 4:26:03 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: Erasmus

Stiffed as in the tip....I only got beat on the whole check once and I called the cops and they found the guy and arrested him.


122 posted on 02/27/2012 4:32:09 PM PST by Paddyboy
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To: Sudetenland

Who else do you tip?

Do you tip the county clerk when you pay a parkng fine?

Do you tip the mailman?

Do you tip the cop who brought your drunk mom-in-law home? (lol)


123 posted on 02/27/2012 5:15:40 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL

You’d rather someone get on the government teat than work as a waiter?


124 posted on 02/27/2012 5:38:51 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

Like I have said “Get a real job” was taken. heh


125 posted on 02/27/2012 5:42:11 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL

But they aren’t the same sentiment. How many other jobs is one expected to provide high quality service while *praying* that one will make minimum wage?

Why would you argue that getting on the government teat is better than trying to scrape by through hard work (and working in food service is work).


126 posted on 02/27/2012 5:50:06 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

Then they need to look for a job where the employer pays at least minimum wage.


127 posted on 02/27/2012 6:01:01 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL

According to you, they don’t. They only need to get on the government teat, which would pay them more than a minimum wage job.

Why do you have a higher regard for those on the government teat than those in food service?


128 posted on 02/27/2012 6:30:37 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

I don’t. I just don’t believe in tipping except when the service was really good. Their employer should pay them, nobody forced them to work for that wage. I also didn’t tip the cable guy or Fry’s electronics when I bought the laptop.


129 posted on 02/27/2012 6:47:16 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: wbill

“IMHO, I’d rather eat at a BBQ joint, run by a guy who’s been perfecting his art for the past 20 years (and who likely learned it from his Dad, who learned it from his, and so on) than some Olive Garden or Applebee’s. Or a ripoff lookalike of them. And, judging by the local economy, I’m not the only one who thinks that way”

Same here. I love the mom and pop places and abhor the chains. We went to a high end chain last month to use a gift card I had won last summer. The waiter about made me want to puke with his turning the empty chair around at the table and sitting down with us, “How are you doing tonight? Everyone OK? I’m Steve and I’ll be serving you tonight” shtick. STFU, bring my drink, take my order, bring the food, check back during the meal and be prompt in all of it. The worst is being interrupted in conversation to ask if we want more water when the glasses are clearly empty.


130 posted on 02/27/2012 6:49:22 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: GeronL

“I also didn’t tip the cable guy “

I did and am still reaping the benefit 12 years later.


131 posted on 02/27/2012 6:51:27 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: All
"Those who don't tip (in our society) are simply low-class trash."

As are those who would revengefully adulterate a customers food.

132 posted on 02/27/2012 7:11:36 PM PST by Dust in the Wind (U S Troops Rock)
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To: Repeat Offender

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/hoax/sorry-restaurant-receipt-left-nasty-rich-banker-photoshop-hoax


133 posted on 02/27/2012 7:16:05 PM PST by Gun142 (Where Will You Be When You Get Where You're Going? -- Jerry Clower)
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To: GeronL

Actually, you did: “If you are being paid $2.13 an hour, get a new job or go on unemployment... your better off on welfare-money wise.”

That is not a conservative argument, and it shows a higher regard for those on the government teat than for those in the food service industry.


134 posted on 02/27/2012 7:33:22 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Gun142

Thank you for the update.


135 posted on 02/27/2012 7:38:09 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

It is a conservative argument.

If you agree to that wage, then there is no problem.

If you can make more elsewhere, then it is in your interest to go elsewhere.

If you can make more on welfare, then it is absolutely logical and conservative to take that choice too.


136 posted on 02/28/2012 9:03:12 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Paddyboy

I once had dinner at the local Outback and realized at the end of the meal that I had left my wallet at the house. (I allow myself to do that about once every 20 years.)

I explained my predicament to the manager, and said I could go home, get my wallet, and be right back. They let me do it.

In about 25 minutes, when I returned, they were surprised to see me. I infer that when a customer tells them a story like mine, they don’t expect to see him again.


137 posted on 02/28/2012 10:36:07 PM PST by Erasmus (BHO: New supreme leader of the rollin' homey empire.)
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To: Gun142; Repeat Offender

Toronto Star agrees that it was a photoshop:

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1138329—banker-s-insulting-1-per-cent-tip-is-a-hoax


138 posted on 02/28/2012 11:05:26 PM PST by annie laurie (All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost)
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To: SkyDancer

I avoid fern bars as much as possible, I’m far more comfortable in a neighborhood bar and grill. I’ve seen cases even worse than what you site, when I was in California there were bars where the wait staff had to pay for the privilege of working.


139 posted on 02/29/2012 3:20:18 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: kp2hot; Sudetenland; GeronL
I consider it an insult and ripoff to be required to pay over and above the bill. I do not tip my teller, banker, grocer, cashier at checkout, car repair mechanic, my handyman, my mailman, garbage collector and may other people who provide services to me.

...those people are not earning $2.13 per hour base pay.

140 posted on 02/29/2012 11:16:04 AM PST by trailhkr1
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To: GeronL

“If you can make more on welfare, then it is absolutely logical and conservative to take that choice too.”

This is not a conservative argument. This is a liberal argument.

For a conservative, self-sufficiency overrides convenience and ease. I find it very concerning that you are seriously advocating that it is “conservative” to take welfare and deriding those who are choosing a more self-sufficient route.


141 posted on 02/29/2012 11:28:36 AM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

The conservative argument is to take the most rewarding route


142 posted on 02/29/2012 11:59:34 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL

...which would, under no circumstances be “take the government handout”.

What you are suggesting is that it’s better to be supported by people who are actually working than to take a job which has a base salary lower than minimum wage.

That is not a conservative proposition.


143 posted on 02/29/2012 12:53:57 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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