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Trashing Tricare [Obama to cut healthcare for troops]
Washington Free Beacon ^ | FEBRUARY 27, 2012 | Bill Gertz

Posted on 02/27/2012 1:05:40 PM PST by RobinMasters

The Obama administration’s proposed defense budget calls for military families and retirees to pay sharply more for their healthcare, while leaving unionized civilian defense workers’ benefits untouched. The proposal is causing a major rift within the Pentagon, according to U.S. officials. Several congressional aides suggested the move is designed to increase the enrollment in Obamacare’s state-run insurance exchanges.

The disparity in treatment between civilian and uniformed personnel is causing a backlash within the military that could undermine recruitment and retention.

The proposed increases in health care payments by service members, which must be approved by Congress, are part of the Pentagon’s $487 billion cut in spending. It seeks to save $1.8 billion from the Tricare medical system in the fiscal 2013 budget, and $12.9 billion by 2017.

Many in Congress are opposing the proposed changes, which would require the passage of new legislation before being put in place.

“We shouldn’t ask our military to pay our bills when we aren’t willing to impose a similar hardship on the rest of the population,” said Rep. Howard “Buck” McKeon, chairman of the House Armed Services Committee and a Republican from California. “We can’t keep asking those who have given so much to give that much more.”

(Excerpt) Read more at freebeacon.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: obamatricare; tricare

1 posted on 02/27/2012 1:05:44 PM PST by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters

What’s the co-pay for a Corpsman?


2 posted on 02/27/2012 1:08:41 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: RobinMasters
That link doesn't work.

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3 posted on 02/27/2012 1:12:00 PM PST by mainevet (Get an M1911 or two or three or four)
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To: RobinMasters

...islamist bastard....


4 posted on 02/27/2012 1:13:21 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Cvengr

Should cut healthcare for all elected officials first.


5 posted on 02/27/2012 1:13:21 PM PST by Mother Mary
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To: Cvengr
Who cares, it's the gubment unions that need protecting.

You left out the "e" in corpseman. /s must I?

6 posted on 02/27/2012 1:13:24 PM PST by Drill Thrawl (Brass, copper, lead. The new precious metals.)
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To: Cvengr

Outpatient $12 per visit
Inpatient $11 per day ($25 minimum charge)

http://www.tricare.mil/mybenefit/home/overview/LearnAboutPlansAndCosts/TRICAREPrime?


7 posted on 02/27/2012 1:13:24 PM PST by FewsOrange
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To: RobinMasters
Cut my Mom's Tricare? After she has spent 85 years of her life in the military - first as a Navy brat, then as a Navy wife? Not on you friggin' life!

My Dad AND Grandpa [and Grandma] are all buried at Arlington. Let Obama go up to their graves to speak to them and explain that the United States CANNOT afford Tricare [at current rates] for military and their dependents, BUT CAN afford to keep the same rates for UNIONIZED workers ...

8 posted on 02/27/2012 1:13:36 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: RobinMasters

Where is the impeachment petition?


9 posted on 02/27/2012 1:14:12 PM PST by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: Lmo56

Let’s not forget about all the good stuff illegals get.


10 posted on 02/27/2012 1:15:18 PM PST by mainevet (Get an M1911 or two or three or four)
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To: mountainlion
Where is the impeachment petition?

You can fill one out Nov. 6th but I wouldn't bother, the game is already rigged.

11 posted on 02/27/2012 1:17:02 PM PST by Drill Thrawl (Brass, copper, lead. The new precious metals.)
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To: FewsOrange

I first have to have you sign this waiver acknowledging you are ultimately responsible for all medical charges including any the Obamacare folks refuse to pay......just press here with your thumb,...oh wait, the server's down.....

12 posted on 02/27/2012 1:18:59 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: RobinMasters

This instead of entitlement reform. Bammy is saying, “UP YOURS!” to the Armed Forces.


13 posted on 02/27/2012 1:19:57 PM PST by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: RobinMasters

It really is truth or dare time for flag officers, isn’t it? The people who run the services can either choke-down Obama’s efforts to destroy the US military and punish its veterans, or they can cry foul and threaten to quit and mean it. Obama could not survive a resignation of the joint chiefs. Forget Panetta; he’s a career pol and loyal only to himself. Now Obama is apologizing to the murderous Afghani savages that are shooting our troops in the back of the head over perceived insults to a book. The Revolt of the Admirals happened over smaller issues.


14 posted on 02/27/2012 1:22:53 PM PST by pabianice (")
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To: RobinMasters

What a jerk the thug in chief is


15 posted on 02/27/2012 1:24:06 PM PST by Tzfat
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To: RobinMasters

What a jerk the thug in chief is


16 posted on 02/27/2012 1:24:24 PM PST by Tzfat
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To: RobinMasters

What a jerk the thug in chief is


17 posted on 02/27/2012 1:24:24 PM PST by Tzfat
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To: Cvengr

To caption your pic: Hmm, I’m not seeing treatment for “sucking chest wound.” Would you like an abortion, condoms, or a sex-change operation?


18 posted on 02/27/2012 1:24:41 PM PST by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: vpintheak

And the REALLY AMAZING thing is all the hope’n’change bumper stickers I see here on base.


19 posted on 02/27/2012 1:26:04 PM PST by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: RobinMasters
All part of the plan. Add more government jobs and programs. Build up the government payroll. Then, keep all government workers happy and they will keep voting for you. Let them sit in cozy offices in the winter, and air conditioned comfort in the summer. Let them do about half of what a worker in the commercial workforce does. Let them get away with coming in late, sleeping on the job, spending personal time on the phone, etc...and being generally lazy, with no chance of repremand or, horrors, being fired. They must all be treated with the utmost care and political correctness, and never be uncomfortable. And, above all, they must get every possible holiday off, several weeks vacation, and the most exclusive health care coverage in the country.

But, our military can train hard in unbearable weather conditions, carry hundreds of pounds of equipment, march and exercise day and night, get up early and always...always...be on time. They must be willing to work on holidays or whenever called to report. They must be ready to put their lives on the line for Americans and leave their loved ones, friends and families for extended periods of time. Their pay is always below the pay of counterparts in government offices. But, according to Obama's plan, now they are won't even receive health care coverage equal to that of some lowly clerk in a government office whose only job is to answer the phones.

20 posted on 02/27/2012 1:26:43 PM PST by CitizenM (Obama's legacy will be to be remembered as The architect of the decline of the USA)
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To: RobinMasters

Watch for military absentee ballots mysteriously fail to show up on time.


21 posted on 02/27/2012 1:30:23 PM PST by lowbridge (Rep. Dingell: "Its taken a long time.....to control the people.")
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To: RobinMasters

This bastard is not just making us miserable, he is flat out killing us.

I hate this bastard son of a communist whore.


22 posted on 02/27/2012 1:34:50 PM PST by Gator113 (** President Newt Gingrich-"Our beloved republic deserves nothing less." ~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: RobinMasters

How about a shout-out to the taxpayer that pays for all the insurance benefits that military and government civilians are fighting about, even though he often can’t afford it for himself?

How about it?

Anyone home?

hellllloooooo?


23 posted on 02/27/2012 1:35:46 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: RobinMasters

I was an E6 stationed in Chicago when Jimmah Carter was president. He capped our pay a couple times with inflation running at something over 10% - could barely afford to feed the family. In fact I took a part time job after hours just so I could do that.

This is a repeat of those mistakes.

I am expecting to see a jump in inflation soon too. This fool and his minions must have read all of Jimmy Carter’s books and figures that maybe those failed policies will work the second time around.


24 posted on 02/27/2012 1:36:04 PM PST by msrngtp2002 (Just my opinion.)
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To: mainevet

Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.
Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash “under the table”.
Ready? Now pay attention...
Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has $31,231.00.
Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, $31,200.00 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has $31,200.00.
Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $24,031.00.
Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.
Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per year.. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.
Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.
Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $9,631 .00.
Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.
Jose Illegal receives a $280.00 per family member/ month federal CASHAID for four family members . Jose Illegal has $ 43,200.00.
Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.
Jose Illegal says, “We don’t need no stinkin’ insurance!” and still has $ 43,200.00.
Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc.
Jose Illegal has to make his $ 43,200.00. stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month..”actually Jose illegal doesn’t pay for most utilities in many states as he gets county assistance to pay the bills and his late fees”
Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work. “and pays a higher tax rate if he earns above a certain amount”
Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.
Joe Legal’s and Jose Illegal’s children both attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for his children’s lunches while Jose Illegal’s children get a government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal’s children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal’s children go home.
Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.


25 posted on 02/27/2012 1:42:11 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: RobinMasters


That picture is worth 1,000 words and then some.
26 posted on 02/27/2012 1:46:12 PM PST by khelus
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To: al baby

The ~40 million Jose illegals cost US taxpayers NET ~$1/4 - 1/3 trillion per year!


27 posted on 02/27/2012 1:50:03 PM PST by khelus
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To: RobinMasters
This is not only morally stupid, but it is also politically naive.

It is one thing if Obama wanted to make the cuts straight across the board - THAT is the definition of Shared Sacrifice.

BUT, it is another thing when he singles out a particular group to take the hit while shielding another group.

Doesn't he realize that, while average citizens might not have served in the military, they PROBABLY have a father, mother, sister, brother, grandparents, aunts, or uncles WHO HAVE [or ARE] serving.

The American Public KNOWS what is fair - and this AIN'T it ...

Like my father [USN, Ret.] always said:

"It ain't properly chargeable ..."

This AIN'T goin' nowhere - and is going to make Obama look MORE inadequate than he already is ...

28 posted on 02/27/2012 1:50:56 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: FewsOrange

“Administration officials told Congress that one goal of the increased fees is to force military retirees to reduce their involvement in Tricare and eventually opt out of the program in favor of alternatives established by the 2010 Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, aka Obamacare.”


29 posted on 02/27/2012 2:02:42 PM PST by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves.)
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To: al baby

So are you legal and as pissed as me or illegal and laughing at me??? :-)


30 posted on 02/27/2012 2:06:25 PM PST by mainevet (Get an M1911 or two or three or four)
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To: khelus

31 posted on 02/27/2012 2:16:38 PM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: msrngtp2002

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loELWHSlX8M&feature=youtube_gdata_player


32 posted on 02/27/2012 2:20:36 PM PST by jackv (The darkness hates the light!)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

ROFL


33 posted on 02/27/2012 2:29:29 PM PST by khelus
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To: RobinMasters

Congress will NEVER approve of anything close to this...


34 posted on 02/27/2012 3:20:19 PM PST by mystery-ak (gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: FewsOrange
TriCare Prime is only if you are within a fifty mile radius of a designated MTF and you are treated there. That leaves a lot of the country uncovered. And with the base consolidations and closings the area is shrinking every day.
35 posted on 02/27/2012 3:30:13 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Would you sing if someone sucked YOU up the vacuum cleaner hose?)
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To: RobinMasters

It’s a dumb SOB that trains millions of people to blow crap up and kill people and then try to f with them.....


36 posted on 02/27/2012 4:16:33 PM PST by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
TriCare Prime is only if you are within a fifty mile radius of a designated MTF and you are treated there. That leaves a lot of the country uncovered. And with the base consolidations and closings the area is shrinking every day.

Even if you live within the designated MTF area, you may be fighting for bed space, if 2 medical centers [in your area] consolidated into one.

Like what happened when Walter Reed consolidated with Bethesda Naval - NOW twice the number of patients are being seen annually at ONE facility [NOW about 1 million per year]. BUT, the consolidated facility has roughly 1/2 the bed space than the two original facilities being combined.

All things being equal [assuming each facility had the same number of in-patients annually], there are NOW TWICE the number of patients fighting for 1/2 the number of beds ...

"Goddamn Obama ..."

37 posted on 02/27/2012 4:47:26 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: tgusa

Is it color of skin versus content of character? I served, I know people pretty well.


38 posted on 02/27/2012 5:14:25 PM PST by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: Gator113

Whores actually work, and have skin in the game. Literally.

I would rather have a communist in the white house. we could at least rise up and kill them and take our country back.

We are being gutted alive by an untouchable.


39 posted on 02/27/2012 6:05:27 PM PST by baileybat
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To: vpintheak
we'll still see "obama" stickers on the base...guarentee it....

I don't get it ....I just don't get it.....

40 posted on 02/28/2012 7:29:46 PM PST by cherry
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To: Cvengr

I wrote a long diatribe in response to this article. I just deleted it in favor of simply expressing my disgust.

I served for 20 years. I got a good deal in the end. In my military career, there were repeated attempts on my life and those around me. I took no disability, chocking up my hearing loss and painfull knees...and some bad dreams to age and experience. I never considered these incidents as somethng for which I should gain financially, beyond my regular benefits. My ears still friggin ring to this day.

I also led a good number of young men in very diffcult situations, doing my best to keep them from screwing up thier lives by succumbing to the many frustrations brought on by the R.O.P. I did well, and I gained something for my family.

Now, under this administration, I see it can simply be taken away, little by little, with no repercussions at all.

I’m willing to pitch in. I’m willing to pay more. But, an increase of nearly 100% for healthcare is not just more, it’s an insult to my very existence and those who served beside me. I have nothing but disgust for this President and his minions.


41 posted on 02/28/2012 8:18:00 PM PST by Greenpees (Coulda Shoulda Woulda)
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To: cherry

My own brother is one of those with the O sticker. It’s like talking to a brick wall. He just shuts down when I hit him with legitimate, factual questions abou his hero. In his world the only evil has an (R) next to thier names.


42 posted on 02/28/2012 8:21:32 PM PST by Greenpees (Coulda Shoulda Woulda)
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To: Greenpees

After researching our founding fathers and the history of the doctrine of separation of church and state, I studied the Toleration Act of 1649, of Maryland and also similarily presented in 1610 in Virginia, shown complete at http://oll.libertyfund.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1048&Itemid=264 .

I was impressed how both and the historical backdrop of the Separation of Church and State from the 1400s was premised upon a Christian State.

Only recently in the last 50 years has the American population come to even accept any notion that our State is not premised upon a Christian people.

In this last decade to 20 years, a contagion has spread further to now consider religion in the 1st Amendment to now also include any antiChristian religion.

Now the consequence of AntiChristian toleration becomes evident in the vile AntiChristian promotion by Obama. Every aspect of Christian virtue is made a target of his loathing attack, including contract law, and the social contract between the government and the governed.

While believers in Christ are indwelt by the Mystery of the Church, his soul is indwelt by the mystery of iniquity.


43 posted on 02/28/2012 10:20:36 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: pabianice
I don't believe we have the generals/admirals with enough character to fight this.....when you get up in their ranks, its all about the money, the pensions, and the connections awaiting....

no character means no country...

44 posted on 02/28/2012 10:39:59 PM PST by cherry
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To: vpintheak

Some people would vote for The Dictator even as they cashed their final military paycheck and headed out for the unemployment line. Astonishing.


45 posted on 02/29/2012 4:43:03 AM PST by tgusa (gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger .......)
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To: RobinMasters; mickie
The terrorists at Gitmo get the finest medical care gratis....and now a new soccer field and other amenities are in the hopper to relieve the monotony, stress and various neurosis resulting from their confinement.

Thanks to Allah-in-Chief Barack Bin Hussein Bin Obama our own American troops can pound sand.

Leni

46 posted on 02/29/2012 5:03:40 AM PST by MinuteGal
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