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Penn Judge: Muslims Allowed to Attack People for Insulting Mohammad
Yahoo! Contributor Network ^ | Feb 24, 2012 | Mark Whittington

Posted on 02/27/2012 7:40:00 PM PST by Malone LaVeigh

Jonathon Turley, a law professor at George Washington University, reports on a disturbing case in which a state judge in Pennsylvania threw out an assault case involving a Muslim attacking an atheist for insulting the Prophet Muhammad.

Judge Mark Martin, an Iraq war veteran and a convert to Islam, threw the case out in what appears to be an invocation of Sharia law.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: crushislam; islam; pennsylvania; sharia
Judge Martin threw the case out on the grounds that Elbayomy was obligated to attack Perce because of his culture and religion. Judge Martin stated that the First Amendment of the Constitution does not permit people to provoke other people

Sheesh!

1 posted on 02/27/2012 7:40:08 PM PST by Malone LaVeigh
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Inch by inch.


2 posted on 02/27/2012 7:46:06 PM PST by RedCell (Honor thy Father (9/6/07) - Semper Fi / "...it is their duty, to throw off such government...")
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To: Malone LaVeigh

I’m wondering if this judge has daughters and if he realizes what he’s just done to them...


3 posted on 02/27/2012 7:46:23 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it....)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Stick a fork in the US; we’re done.


4 posted on 02/27/2012 7:46:34 PM PST by Hammer Tym (Skateboarding is a crime)
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To: Malone LaVeigh
The First Amendment calls for separation of Christianity and state.

It doesn't say anything about separation of Islam and state.

</sarcasm>

5 posted on 02/27/2012 7:46:43 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the fascists.)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

If the Phelpses showing up with their “God damn America” and “Troop John Doe is going to hell” isn’t deemed fighting words by our highest judges, why should this be?


6 posted on 02/27/2012 7:47:04 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Malone LaVeigh
What? Did I just repeat myself???
7 posted on 02/27/2012 7:48:14 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: RedCell

bump for later


8 posted on 02/27/2012 7:49:05 PM PST by GOPJ (GAS WAS $1.85 per gallon on the day Obama was Inaugurated! - - freeper Gaffer)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Why is this judge not using his islamic name, Achmed, Muhammed, Mohammed....whatever? I’ve never heard of an islamic named Mark Martin.

Muslims should be insulted. I say they should confront him about this mistake and take him to the woodshed because he’s ashamed to be muslim. Just sayin...:)


9 posted on 02/27/2012 7:50:50 PM PST by mardi59 (I'm not looking for MTV, I'm looking for MVP. Newt 2012!)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

States are the laboratories of democracy.
The voters can have their say on this judge.
The appeals process can have its say on his decision.


10 posted on 02/27/2012 7:51:21 PM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Hammer Tym; RedCell

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


11 posted on 02/27/2012 7:54:40 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Perfect! Now Christians will be free to assault atheists, moslimes, and homosexuals. Right?


12 posted on 02/27/2012 7:57:32 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

‘an Iraq war veteran and a convert to Islam’

Judge shopping at it’s worst! This judge needs to be impeached or recalled, whatever the process in his area. NOW!


13 posted on 02/28/2012 7:08:47 PM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: Malone LaVeigh

What are we to think when OWS are heroes and taxpayers are considered criminals?


14 posted on 02/28/2012 7:12:47 PM PST by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

The judge is a Lutheran, not a Muslim.


15 posted on 02/28/2012 7:21:40 PM PST by willamedwardwallace
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To: mardi59

http://volokh.com/2012/02/25/zombie-mohammed-judge-responds/

“This story certainly has legs. As you might imagine, the public is only getting the version of the story put out by the “victim” (the atheist). Many, many gross misrepresentations. Among them: I’m a Muslim, and that’s why I dismissed the harassment charge (Fact: if anyone cares, I’m actually Lutheran, and have been for at least 41 years).

I also supposedly called him and threatened to throw him in jail if he released the tapes he had made in the courtroom without my knowledge/permission (Fact: HE called ME and told me that he was ready to “go public” with the tapes and was wondering what the consequences would be; I advised him again to not disseminate the recording, and that I would consider contempt charges; he then replied that he was “willing to go to jail for (his) 1st amendment rights”- I never even uttered the word “jail” in that conversation).

He said that I kept a copy of the Quran on the bench (fact: I keep a Bible on the bench, but out of respect to people with faiths other than Christianity, I DO have a Quran on the bookcase BESIDE my bench, and am trying to acquire a Torah, Book of Mormon, Book of Confucius and any other artifacts which those with a faith might respect).

He claims that I’m biased towards Islam, apparently because he thinks I’m Muslim. In fact, those of you who know me, know that I’m an Army reservist with 27 years of service towards our country (and still serving). I’ve done one tour in Afghanistan, and two tours in Iraq, and am scheduled to return to Afghanistan for a year this summer. During my first tour in Iraq, I was ambushed once, attacked by a mob once, sniped at once, and rocketed, bombed, and mortared so many times that I honestly don’t know how many time I’ve been attacked. Presumably by Muslim insurgents. My point: if anyone SHOULD be biased towards Muslims, one would think it would be me. I’m not, however, because I personally know or have met many good, decent people who follow Islam, and I shouldn’t characterize the actions of those who tried to kill me as characterizations of all Muslims.

When I asked him why he dressed up as “Muhammad zombie,” he told me that it was because he was reflecting the Muslim belief that Muhammad rose from the dead, walked as a zombie, and then went to heaven. That was one of the reasons I tried to spend 6 whole minutes trying to explain and de-mystify Islam through my own knowledge, and in an attempt to prevent an incident like this recurring in my community. Unfortunately, the message was obviously not received in the vein that I had intended. And, in the interest of full disclosure, I did use the word “doofus,” but didn’t call him that directly; I said something akin to “ if you’re going to mock another religion or culture, you should check your facts, first- otherwise, you’ll look like a doofus.”;

In short, I based my decision on the fact that the Commonwealth failed to prove to me beyond a reasonable doubt that the charge was just; I didn’t doubt that an incident occurred, but I was basically presented only with the victim’s version, the defendant’s version, and a very intact Styrofoam sign that the victim was wearing and claimed that the defendant had used to choke him. There so many inconsistencies, that there was no way that I was going to find the defendant guilty.

A lesson learned here: there’s a very good reason for Rule 112 of Rules of Criminal Procedure- if someone makes an unauthorized recording in a Court not of Record, there’s no way to control how it might be manipulated later, and then passed off as the truth. We’ve received dozens upon dozens of phone calls, faxes, and e-mails. There are literally hundreds of not-so-nice posts all over the internet on at least 4 sites that have carried this story, mainly because I’ve been painted as a Muslim judge who didn’t recuse himself, and who’s trying to introduce Sharia law into Mechanicsburg.”


16 posted on 02/28/2012 7:22:09 PM PST by willamedwardwallace
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To: Malone LaVeigh

“The Constitution does not permit people to provoke other people” - tell that to Hollywood!

As for throwing grenades at US troops for inadvertently burning Qur’ans, the U.S. could say that since they believe this manner of response is correct, then the U.S. will engage in violence against them every time they offend our beliefs or that of others, rather than immoral actions.


17 posted on 02/28/2012 7:29:20 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust in the Lord Jesus to save you as a damned+morally destitute sinner ,+ be forgiven+live)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Despite what has been reported, the judge in this case is NOT a muslim.

He is a moron and an apologist for muslim violence, but he isn’t a muslim, just a dhimmi.


18 posted on 02/28/2012 7:35:08 PM PST by MediaMole
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To: RedCell

And not a whisper from our congresscritters.


19 posted on 02/28/2012 7:37:28 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: Malone LaVeigh
“Judge Martin threw the case out on the grounds that Elbayomy was obligated to attack Perce because of his culture and religion. Judge Martin stated that the First Amendment of the Constitution does not permit people to provoke other people”

Hey Marty! Ya’ know what you call a failed lawyer?
A: “Your Honor!” (is that a provocation?)

20 posted on 02/28/2012 7:38:49 PM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: CrazyIvan

Well it seems to me that a precedent has been set for any Christians who become offended when people insult, desecrate and blaspheme the Name of the Son of the Living God, aka Jesus Christ, to start kicking ass and taking names.

Judge Martin has no idea of what he has unleashed.


21 posted on 02/28/2012 7:50:38 PM PST by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what e.coli is to an all-you-can-eat salad bar. NO ROMNEY!!!)
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To: Malone LaVeigh
Penn Judge: Muslims Allowed to Attack People for Insulting Mohammad

Did the judge say if its alright to defend ourselves or shall we just accept our beating?

22 posted on 02/28/2012 7:53:00 PM PST by skeeter
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To: willamedwardwallace
Re: 16

That is an entirely different perspective than what has been posted several times about this incident. I know it's from the Judge's viewpoint, but it has the ring of truth about it, and it sounds like the Atheist was a general jerk. His Zombie description of Mohammad, also sounds like a thinly veiled insult of Christianity (' Mohammad rose from the dead, and walked around like a Zombie (living dead), and then ascended into Heaven').... It sounds like the judge was being patient in explaining to the atheist that the Koran never says that Mad Mo raised from the dead...
So in this new context, this atheist just sounds like a jerk.

23 posted on 02/28/2012 8:07:33 PM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

An atheist, got a little of what he was asking for, but from the tape, other than threats nothing happened.


24 posted on 02/28/2012 8:16:06 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: Malone LaVeigh

While I don’t agree with the judge’s reasoning (and it’s really quiet alarming), there is a certain satisfaction in the event, since the atheist in question (which appears to happen more often than not) was out to provoke a reaction. Well, he got one.


25 posted on 02/28/2012 8:22:23 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Sarcasm? Perhaps, unfortunately, religion is now only playing a competing, if not substantial part in this case.

According to 'Kadi' ('Judge') Martin raised the stakes in his latest CNN interview w Soledad in which he suggests Islam is now to be considered a protected 'ethnicity' now.

Altering the narrative to build case against anti-sharia legislation?

26 posted on 02/29/2012 3:51:01 AM PST by wtd
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To: IronJack
Perfect! Now Christians will be free to assault atheists, moslimes, and homosexuals. Right?

No, you just don't understand, those are hate crimes.

27 posted on 02/29/2012 10:55:28 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The RNC would prefer Obama to a conservative nominee.)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

The corrolary,

Pennsylvanians allowed to shoot muslims attacking them because of the Castle Doctrine...


28 posted on 02/29/2012 11:10:59 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Malone LaVeigh

This needs to go to appeal and the judge tossed out of the bar.


29 posted on 02/29/2012 11:37:04 AM PST by CodeToad (NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!!)
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To: El Cid

Jerk or not is irrelevant. He was physically assaulted. The muslim even admitted it. Should have been an open and shut case with a nice conviction.


30 posted on 02/29/2012 12:00:02 PM PST by LastNorwegian
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To: CrazyIvan
the First Amendment of the Constitution does not permit people to provoke other people

I must have missed the "provocation clause" when I studied the First Amendment. Or maybe this judge has Constitution 2.0.

31 posted on 02/29/2012 12:51:51 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: willamedwardwallace

“That was one of the reasons I tried to spend 6 whole minutes trying to explain and de-mystify Islam through my own knowledge, and in an attempt to prevent an incident like this recurring in my community. “

Not his job!


32 posted on 02/29/2012 1:11:26 PM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Carry, always, everywhere.

If attacked, respond.


33 posted on 02/29/2012 1:39:13 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

See my post #33


34 posted on 02/29/2012 1:40:18 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: justiceseeker93; Clintonfatigued; SunkenCiv; NFHale

This doesn’t sound good.


35 posted on 02/29/2012 4:09:44 PM PST by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Impy

Well, the judge is NOT a muzzie as initially reported. But...he IS on the wrong side of this one and did something really, really stupid.

And as much as I think the “atheist” is probably an obnoxious idiot, no one has the right to put their hands on you because of political speech. This assclown set out to inflame and insult people - and he DID, evidently - and he ran up against someone who, like it or not, stuck up for HIS faith in the only way he knew how.

But - the muzz ATTACKED a person, here, for “offending” him and this moron of a judge sided with the attacker. HE broke the law - it’s called assault and battery - not the idiot atheist. This isn’t Beirut or Asscrackistan. It’s Pennsylvania USA, not some third world crap hole where these people can run amok like 7th century savages.

Doesn’t set a good precedent - especially when it comes to the “Religion of Perpetual Outrage”.

Nobody has a right to put their hands on you and expect to walk away unscathed in this day and age, muzzie or not.


36 posted on 02/29/2012 4:35:45 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Impy; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Impy.
37 posted on 02/29/2012 8:13:24 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

If PA has a Castle Doctrine, the idiot child in the zombie suit could have make a valid claim he was in fear of his life because a Muslim was attacking him and attempting to choke him (assuming that really did happen).

If so - BANG!, and let the lawyer deal with it.

One does not have to take a beating from anyone.


38 posted on 02/29/2012 10:03:00 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

What about strangling a judge for insulting our intelligence?


39 posted on 03/01/2012 1:04:58 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: willamedwardwallace

He seems to be trying to deny what people heard with their own ears.


40 posted on 03/01/2012 1:23:24 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: El Cid

The last I looked, being a jerk wasn’t grounds for assault.


41 posted on 03/01/2012 1:25:04 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

People didn’t “hear anything with their own ears.” They heard a poor quality audio file, uploaded to youtube by an atheist with an agenda, an atheist who would have no objective moral basis for lying, an atheist who could easily have altered the tape.

The fact is, what the judge is saying fits with the context of the conversation. While his reasoning may be flawed, the “OH NOEZ SHARIA!!!!” narrative that people are invested in doesn’t compute.


42 posted on 03/01/2012 5:31:00 AM PST by willamedwardwallace
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To: HiTech RedNeck

If the Phelpses showing up with their “God damn America” and “Troop John Doe is going to hell” isn’t deemed fighting words by our highest judges, why should this be?

Well said. If the rest of us are required to put up with the antics of the Phelps clan, then the Muslims need to get used to putting up with Zombie Mohammed.

43 posted on 03/01/2012 6:23:36 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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