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Romney wins Michigan and Arizona primaries
UPI ^ | February 28, 2012

Posted on 02/28/2012 7:48:25 PM PST by Red Steel

DETROIT, Feb. 28 (UPI) -- Mitt Romney was a double winner Tuesday, capturing the Michigan and Arizona Republican presidential primaries, results showed.

The Detroit Free Press declared Romney the victor over his GOP rivals in Michigan.

With about 74 percent of the precincts counted, Romney had 317,258 votes (41 percent) to Rick Santorum's 286,530 (37 percent), results posted by the Free Press showed. Ron Paul was third with 88,521 votes (12 percent) and Newt Gingrich followed with 50,726 votes (7 percent). Another 2 percent voted "uncommitted" and a handful of votes went to several other Republicans who are no longer contenders.

CNN called Romney the winner in Arizona. With 71 percent of the vote counted, Romney had 191,182 votes (48 percent) to Santorum's 101,232 votes (25 percent). Gingrich was third with 65,182 votes (16 percent), with Paul bringing up the rear with 33,505 votes (8 percent).

Exit polls in the two states Tuesday had indicated electability was the top priority among Republican primary voters.

Thirty-three percent of Michigan voters said beating President Obama is the top priority when selecting a GOP nominee, while 38 percent of voters in Arizona said the same, CBS News exit polls indicated.

Romney and Santorum slashed at each other ahead of the Michigan primary, which was too close to call. The contest in his home state is seen as crucial to Romney and his claim of the front-runner's mantle.

Despite the closeness of the Michigan race, the Post said Romney was expected to win about three times as many convention delegates as Santorum Tuesday. Arizona is a winner-take-all primary. Michigan's 30 delegates are allotted proportionately to the primary winner in each of the state's 14 congressional districts. Arizona's winner picks up all of its 29 delegates.

The Washington Post said Romney was expected to garner 45 delegates from both contests, with Santorum picking up about 15.

Gingrich and Paul were not expected to win any delegates, and did not seriously campaign in the two states.

Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, and Santorum, a former U.S. senator from Pennsylvania, have been shooting fireballs at each other in recent days.

Romney blasted Santorum's use of robocalls urging Democrats, who can vote GOP in Michigan, to vote for Santorum.

"I know why [President] Obama doesn't want me to face him but I just think it's outrageous and a terrible dirty trick at the last hour, by the way, late in the afternoon on the day before the election, maybe hoping no one would notice, they start sending out calls to Democrats, union members telling them to go into the Republican primary and vote against Mitt Romney," Romney told Fox News.

"This is a new low for his campaign and that's saying something," he added.

Santorum told Fox News Monday night he's just trying to attract the Democratic voters he'll need in November.

"When he runs a robocall of my voice from four years ago saying good things about him, that's not a low moment, and when I run a call basically saying, calling Democrats that are eligible to vote here, to vote for us, that's a low?" he said.


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To: entropy12

“Whom his father admired is irrelevant to this thread.”

No, you are wrong.

Romney’s father’s admiration of Saul Alinsky is emphatically relevant to this trojan horse candidate in any discussion of him as a candidate.


151 posted on 02/28/2012 11:10:38 PM PST by Psalm 144
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To: BlackElk

Well said.


152 posted on 02/28/2012 11:12:02 PM PST by Psalm 144
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To: Antoninus

Har!

Good one.


153 posted on 02/28/2012 11:38:02 PM PST by Rome2000 (Rick Santorum voted against Right toWork)
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To: JediJones

Romney’s path vs Newt isn’t that difficult.

VS NEWT:

ME + NH + VT + NY + NJ + MD + PA + OH + IN + VA + MA + CT + RI + MT + ID + WY + NV + AZ + NM + CA + WA + OR + HI + SD + ND + KA + NE + FL + AK

and a landslide nomination. He could even score KY + WV vs Newt for the blowout.

VS Santorum:

PA + OH + IN + WA + SD + ND + KA + MT + ID + NE + OR + AK all come off. That’s a 12 state swing. Not to mention the 3 states that Santorum already has.

Here’s Santorum’s path to the nomination:

MN + CO + IA + MO (already)

KY + WV + OH + PA + IN (he’s on the ballot now),

SD + ND + KA + MT + ID + NE + OR + AK + WA +

TX + TN + NC + OK + AR + LA. That’s enough.

That 15 state swing between Newt and Santorum is why Newt can’t win, but Santorum can.

Newt’s maximum that he’s looking at with Santorum at 4, is Newt 14 Santorum 4 Romney 32, and the nomination outright. That’s best case scenario. More likely he scores maybe 6 states at best:

GA, AL, MS for sure and maybe LA + AR. That brings newt up to 6.


154 posted on 02/28/2012 11:45:31 PM PST by LeopoldvonRanke
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To: JediJones

Unfortunately, popular votes don’t win the candidacy. It’s all about the electoral votes in the general election. I believe it was MA that passed a law that all their electoral votes would go to the candidate who won the popular vote. These people are still MAD that Al Gore didn’t win in 2000. Lord, they sure do hold grudges, don’t they? Thank God IGore wasn’t president on 9/11.


155 posted on 02/28/2012 11:52:21 PM PST by Catsrus
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To: LeopoldvonRanke

A brokered convention that benefits is unlikely because a Santorum strong enough to take states off Romney is strong enought to take even more off Newt.

You’d have to see something like this:

Santorum (18)

MN, IA, MO, CO

KY, IN, OH, PA

WA, ID, MT, ND

SD, KA, NE, OK

TX, WV

Newt (8)

GA, SC, AL, MS, LA, AR, TN, NC

Even here- Newt doesn’t have enough to swing the brokered convention in his favor vs Santorum. To do this, Newt would need to win states like TX + OK + WV + KY (bringing him up to 12), and Santorum down to 14.

If Santorum doesn’t do as well in the North, not only does Newt fail to force a brokered convention - Romney wins the nomination outright.


156 posted on 02/28/2012 11:53:52 PM PST by LeopoldvonRanke
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To: DoughtyOne

Seems to me from the AZ & FL results that a majority of the retiree GOP crowd is into Romney. My relatives in their 70s say he was a businessman and looks presidential - they’re not interested in further discussion. Come to think of it, I have relatives in their 40s who say the same. Too susceptible to Romney’s barrage of negative ads. The worst part is that Romney has already spewed the GOP line about not attacking Obama. We know how that loser strategy worked in 2008.


157 posted on 02/29/2012 12:00:30 AM PST by Belle22
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To: Kenny

It seems to me, that for better or worse, we have our set of candidates. If a good guy was out there and were to jump in, I’d love it. The problem is, we’re not going to get a solid guy to jump in. We’ll get some other RINOs foisted off on us, but I’m not buying what they’d be selling anyway.

Either the Santorum and Gingrich folks call a truce and go after Romney together, or Romney will be the nominee.


158 posted on 02/29/2012 12:03:57 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: DannyTN

SCOTUS has been destroying this country since FDR. We are one vote away from making the destruction irreversible. (I will never forgive the Souter pick). I can’t give that to Obama.


159 posted on 02/29/2012 12:05:20 AM PST by Belle22
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To: sandshark222

I don’t want Obama again either, but a Romney term in office would essentially be the last nail the Conservative coffin.

We simply cannot afford to have another Leftist wear the Conservative mantle for another four or eight years.

Nobody believes we mean what we say as Conservatives as it is.


160 posted on 02/29/2012 12:06:11 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: skeeter

Agreed.


161 posted on 02/29/2012 12:06:37 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: make no mistake

He tried, but countless folks were convinced that destroying Santorum was going to bring out a new dawn for Conservatism.

That dawn is looking rather dismal at this point.


162 posted on 02/29/2012 12:09:06 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: plain talk

If Romney is to be bested, someone has to go up against him.

I think the guy who gets 37% to 41%, is probably the better guy over one who gets 7%.

Sorry, I’m not buying Santorum complicity in this. We had a seven percenter who was working him over. In two words, it worked.


163 posted on 02/29/2012 12:11:52 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: redgolum

In 2008 running McCain the RINO who would not criticize Obaba worked so well, that now we have Romney RINO running would will not criticize Obaba (though he has no problems doing “night of the long knives” to his fellow Republicans...at least the more conservative ones).

Sigh...4 years later now, vote fraud more pronounced, the Republican Elite act like Dem Lites. The Republican base scr*wed where ever the insane idea of open primaries are being done....open primaries merely means letting the Dems choose the Repub candidate since they don’t have to cast their vote for anyone since Obaba is their alledged humanoid.


164 posted on 02/29/2012 12:12:55 AM PST by OldArmy52 (Back to back winning ideas: McCain in 2008 & Romney in 2012! What winners!)
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To: ponygirl

I don’t trust him one bit. I think he could come up with someone like her.

I know what we have in Obama. I have not been convinced Romney would be one lick better.

I’ll *never* vote for Obama.

I’m not sold on Romney and won’t vote for him until I am.


165 posted on 02/29/2012 12:15:31 AM PST by cableguymn (Good thing I am a conservative. Otherwise I would have to support Mittens like Republicans do.)
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To: County Agent Hank Kimball

Thanks Hank. As I just said to another FReeper, someone has to go up against Mitt if he is to be denied the nomination.

Do we support the guy getting 37%, or drop him and support the guy getting 7%?

On this forum, Santorum has been the target of 90% of the negative comments. While we couldn’t say bupkis about Newt on penalty of being sent packing, forum participants posted every tid-bit they could find on Santorum, and did everything they could short of cutting of his family jewels.

It wasn’t criticism of Santorum that got folks zotted around here, so please don’t tell me Newt got the worst end of that deal. You darn well know I’m right.

Look how that paid off for us. Super Tuesday is less than a week away, and Santorum has been severely damaged just in time to serve Mitt well.

It’s a real shame...


166 posted on 02/29/2012 12:18:42 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: LeopoldvonRanke

You don’t seem to be accounting for the fact that most states are not winner-take-all. It takes a whole lot more calculating to do the delegate math than you’re doing. You’re also making the strange assumption that Santorum and Newt’s standings in the polls are going to stay static. That’s highly unlikely. Santorum had his chance and blew it in a big way. His momentum is gone. The voting on the last day swung against Santorum. In fact, Newt got a BIG bump in the last-day voting, indicating major Newtmentum:

http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/epolls/mi?hpt=hp_t1

Newt got 11% of the last-minute vote. He only got 3% in the few days before that, and only 8-6-7% in the months before that. So Newt had way more support in Michigan on Monday than his average before in the entire campaign. Santorum meanwhile collapsed...throughout 2011 he went from 41-55-50% and finally only 31% on the last day of voting.

Let’s also not forget that 9% of the voters in Michigan were crossover Democrats and voted HEAVILY for Santorum. He got 53% of them vs. 18% for Romney, 17% Paul, 3% Newt. Do you think Santorum’s going to get that crossover boost in the upcoming states? He certainly didn’t do well in Arizona without such gimmicks.


167 posted on 02/29/2012 12:31:54 AM PST by JediJones (Watch "Gingrich to Michigan: Change or Die" on YouTube. Best Speech Ever!)
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To: JediJones
Gingrich had the biggest win of the primary season, South Carolina with a 35% increase in turnout. The minute conservatives abandoned him just because he lost one state, the conservative vote was destined to be split and there was no way enough of Newt’s very strong support would abandon him for an unvetted, untested candidate like Rick.

Newt's very strong support is now at 7%.  Super Tuesday is now six days away, and the only viable opposition to Mitt has been visciously attacked constantly here.  How's that working our for us?

It was stupid to think Rick was going to score every point and make no stumbles in his first major test, which is the only way he could have won these contests. Conservatives moving to Rick decided to split the vote and lose these contests. The ONLY way to turn this around now is to GO BACK TO NEWT for Super Tuesday.

But of course it was simply brilliant to think that Newt and company throwing every dart they could in Santorum's back was going to bring folks back to Newt in droves.  Well, I think we can safely say that failed.  Now what?  Listen to you.  Abandon the guy with 37% of today's vote, to vote for the guy who got 7% of the vote.  Newt is the best friend Romney has right now.  I know it hurts to admit it, but the figures are in.  Sure we're six days from Super-Tuesday, and Newt will play the part of the spoiler all day long.

Romney will come out of that day with an incredible amount of momentum.  What's more, some of you folks will do your best all week to beat down Santorum's numbers for Mitt.  I know you don't mean it that way, but that is going to be the outcome.

If conservatives refuse to see that Rick is TOTALLY unprepared for this task, not to mention completely unpresidential, and move back to Newt, then they will hand the election to Romney.

Is Newt even in this race at this point?  I know he has refused to pull out and cast his support for Santorum, but 7%?  Santorum could have won yesterday.  Newt didn't have a chance.

Rick had his chance at a big win and blew it.

And yet you think a guy who got 20% of the numbers he did at the polls, is a big winner.  Who blew it?  Your guy doesn't even have the wherewithall to join these battles.

He’s got nothing but small caucus states under his belt, most that were uncontested seriously. He has proved he cannot carry the day in the kind of states that count. Gingrich, on the other hand, has proved he CAN compete in big states that matter and can win states BIGGER than anybody. He still had about the double the popular vote Rick did before tonight. Gingrich is the frontrunner for the conservative alternative, there is no way for Rick to supplant him in that position now, and people need to realize that REAL fast unless they want to hand this election to Mitt by continuing to support Rick.

BTW, how did Newt do in Michigan yesterday?  Oh that's right, he didn't even try, AGAIN.  He just threw the book at Santorum, and then watched Romney walk off with the big win.

That's presidential?  Not in my book.


168 posted on 02/29/2012 12:33:46 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Here was a great chance to stop Romney in his home state. But with some people? Crickets. Jeering from the cheap seats and naysaying. By their lack of action, they helped it along to some extent.

Oh well, at least the Bishop is only slowed down a bit, as the delegate split with Santorum salvages some of the night. On to more friendly territory now.

It is not incorrect to say that among Conservatives in the race for the GOP nomination, Santorum leads in the delegate total with what he picked up in Michigan.

This will be NO VOTE for ROMNEY, in 2012, Primary OR General. No NOTHING.

169 posted on 02/29/2012 12:35:07 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (I liked the FREE REPUBLIC of years on end which NEVER had a problem with Rick Santorum, Conservative)
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To: American Constitutionalist

Well..., it’s hard for me not to take away that lesson.


170 posted on 02/29/2012 12:35:53 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: JediJones; Red Steel

Mitt Romney's Nash...

171 posted on 02/29/2012 12:37:06 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: altura

Its the end of the world and I for one will hold my breath till its over


172 posted on 02/29/2012 12:41:24 AM PST by woofie (It takes three villages and a forest of woodland creatures to raise a child in Obamaville)
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To: DoughtyOne
Another irony is these people (they must be very young, or just new to politics), who attempt--poorly at that, to mock Senator Santorum for the crossover Democrat strategy. That's right, a Republican Conservative challenging a Moderate RINO centrist on his HOME GROUND in the state of Michigan, by appealing to crossover conservative Democrats with a marketing campaign.

JUST LIKE GOVERNOR RONALD REAGAN DID TO JERRY FORD IN 1976.

They become realllll silent when you tell them those facts of history, which they probably are hearing for the very first time.

173 posted on 02/29/2012 12:42:25 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (I liked the FREE REPUBLIC of years on end which NEVER had a problem with Rick Santorum, Conservative)
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To: gogogodzilla
Here’s a thought.  Okay, lets see.

Maybe our candidates ought to talk about what we’re concerned about. You know, the economy, our exploding debt, jobs, inflation up the wazoo, and did I mention the economy and jobs?

Well that's certainly what folks on this forum have been doing isn't it.  Cough cough...

But, instead, we got Preacher-man (more holy than thou), talking about abortion, contreception, abortion, gay marriage, abortion... and did I mention abortion?

You know, the though processes of some of you folks are really amazing.

Jim Robinson is stridently pro-life.  He will never support Mitt Romney due to that fact.  And here you are belittling Santorum for addressing abortion.

You are so angered by the fact he addresses it that and a couple of other issues, that you attempt to belittle him by calling him Preacher-man and hit him over the head with the word abortion four times in one sentence.  When Santorum addresses contraception, he does so because contreception creates an environment where sexual promescuity is made more thinkable.  Sexually transmitted diseases, increased pregnancy, an increase in out of wedlock births, and an increase in abortions result.  With all the focus on contraceptives and their disbursement, the worse stats possible continue to be a plague on this nation.  As for homosexual marriage, are you now advocating we throw in the towel on that too?  Wow, you certainly do have the Conservative talking points down don't you.

Sounds like a Democrat think tank around here at times.       


Santorum took his 10 minutes of fame and turned it into a sermon instead of an election campaign. And that’s all on him, not on those that point it out.

Let me explain the difference between you and I.

You point it out.  We can tell what vent you use when you do it.  Thanks for the example.

I point it out and agree with the man.  I try to be true to my values system.

Anymore than it’s the little boy’s fault for pointing out that the King has no clothes.


In your opinion I'm sure this just just another fine post where you tried to live up to what you suggested others should do, "Maybe our candidates ought to talk about what we’re concerned about. You know, the economy, our exploding debt, jobs, inflation up the wazoo, and did I mention the economy and jobs?"

Even you couldn't do it.

174 posted on 02/29/2012 12:53:26 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: Belle22
We know how that loser strategy worked in 2008.

Yes, I agree. I'm not to upset at those seniors because it has been so long since they heard a Conservative voice, they shouldn't be blamed for not knowing what one sounds like.

The RNC has sold this nation out. I know we blame the Democrats, but our guys have allowed the Democrats to operate under protection.

175 posted on 02/29/2012 12:58:12 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

I agree with your take on it.

Even losing, Santorum did damage to Romney. He did take a number of delegates in Michigan that weren’t that much lower than Romney’s.

As for voting for Romney, just remember that in 2016 the party will run another dumb ass Leftist.

At some point, we have to do something.

My take on all this, is that it is time for a grass roots effort to replace the Republican party.

As part of that effort we need to get on the ballot in 50 states. We also need to make sure that no current sitting Republican office holder should be allowed to be a part of the new party.

To that end...


176 posted on 02/29/2012 1:04:27 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Another irony is these people (they must be very young, or just new to politics), who attempt--poorly at that, to mock Senator Santorum for the crossover Democrat strategy. That's right, a Republican Conservative challenging a Moderate RINO centrist on his HOME GROUND in the state of Michigan, by appealing to crossover conservative Democrats with a marketing campaign.

It's either precisely what you have described it as being, or you have folks so angry with Santorum, that they would call him unfit to be president if he sat down to take a wee wee.

We have some folks on this forum right now that have convinced themselves that Santorum is the worst candidate, Romney ain't so bad, and it's everyone's fault but Newt that his numbers are as low as his sordid record has garnered him.

JUST LIKE GOVERNOR RONALD REAGAN DID TO JERRY FORD IN 1976.

Hey, that's a great point, but the more popular point is that doesn't cast a disparaging light on Santorum, so that means it can't be important.

They become realllll silent when you tell them those facts of history, which they probably are hearing for the very first time.


For some of them, you're probably right.  We've got a herd mentality around here right now though, and rational interpretations of historical facts aren't selling too well.

177 posted on 02/29/2012 1:13:43 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: Red Steel

What we are seeing are government racketeers which know that the current Spammer has only one demographic, and absolutely has no chance of re-election. (Which is the reason for all the bribes were permitted and conceded for Arbeitsziehungslager- “Care”)

Massachusetts-Mitt, is being planted for one reason only. The solidification and implementation of Arbeitsziehungslager.


178 posted on 02/29/2012 1:27:51 AM PST by Varsity Flight (Phony-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: DoughtyOne
I'm with you, D.O.

And the absolute "bloody" (as the Brits would say) IRONY of the whole thing about "herd mentality" is that it is patently and necessarily a polar opposite, an anathema toward Conservative Thinking, which is based on logic, individualism, independently drawing one's own conclusions, and not accepting dictats for finding one's own way on such decisive matters. I have yet to figure it out. It is very puzzling and an odd phenomenon indeed. Go figure, as they say.


179 posted on 02/29/2012 1:32:24 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (I liked the FREE REPUBLIC of years on end which NEVER had a problem with Rick Santorum, Conservative)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

You touched on some fine points there. Good one...

The Conservative mindset was great.


180 posted on 02/29/2012 1:47:46 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: Red Steel

I will Vote for Mitt...I think he can fix this country and I want that bastard out of the WH....


181 posted on 02/29/2012 2:29:23 AM PST by geege
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To: Antoninus

miserable much? ha!


182 posted on 02/29/2012 2:34:52 AM PST by SunnyUsa ( It is error alone which needs the support of government.Truth can stand by itself. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: DoughtyOne
Ole son, that party left me a long time ago.

I didn't bother to predict it on this forum, but I knew the "cult of personality" would win out, no matter which political party. I've seen it building and coming for years...sure you have, also.

It's over. We had a great run, but even if Mittens can beat Bambi in the general election, our Country is going down, even if at a slower pace. Do what you can for yourself. If Bambi or Mittens doesn't kill our great experiment, I'm sure that political correctness will. We will be Greece in so many years.

History always runs its course and repeats itself. Too bad. I thought that the USA would be the exception to the rule.

To quote Alexander Tyler:
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over lousy fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average of the world’s great civilizations before they decline has been 200 years. These nations have progressed in this sequence:
From bondage to spiritual faith;
from faith to great courage;
from courage to liberty;
from liberty to abundance;
from abundance to selfishness;
from selfishness to complacency;
from complacency to apathy;
from apathy to dependency;
from dependency back again to bondage."

I'm so glad that I'm so old and will not see the above happen. Best to you.

183 posted on 02/29/2012 3:02:56 AM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: DoughtyOne

I know, all they know to do is what John McPain tells them to do.


184 posted on 02/29/2012 3:27:22 AM PST by Theodore R. (Forget the others: It's Santorum's turn, less baggage, articulate, passionate)
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To: DoughtyOne

Good points. Here’s my take:

Virtually all Democrats, and a plurality of Republicans, believe that “the system” can/should go on. The Romney vote (which, it goes without saying, will remain smaller than the Obama vote) is made up of people who think the reason for the impending failure of “the system” is that Obama is incompetent/inexperienced/too focused on race and that a better manager could turn things around so that taxes stay low, spending can continue to rise, and that all the free sh*t keeps coming.

A majority of Republicans believe that “the system” is going to fail unless changed. But this majority is not united behind a single candidate, and, even if they were, the Romney anti-change bloc and the Obama solid Democrat mass would beat that candidate in the general election.

It is not possible, for good solid principled reasons, for the party to unite behind Santorum or Paul or (probably) Newt. And the Romney vote, probably 25-35% of the GOP, will go to Obama if any of them are the nominee.

I have been predicting a four-way race, like 1860, for two years. I just read yesterday that Huntsman and David Boren are cooking up the modern version of the Bell-Everett ticket, so all that’s missing is a major party that is so divided that it cannot choose a single nominee, like the Democrats of 1860.

Between Gingrich/Palin and Romney, it’s hard to see who is Douglas and who is Breckinridge. But the outcome is very likely to be the same as 1860, two Republicans this time, a “moderate” candidate, and the radical transformer Obama.

The winner will have less than 40% of the popular vote, and the losing faction will not be able to live peacefully with the result.


185 posted on 02/29/2012 3:31:00 AM PST by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: DoughtyOne

I think neither Santornum nor Gingrich wants to be the other’s V.P. choice. Therefore, the Romney selection is as much a done deal as it was when GHWB and his old rival, Dole, announced for Romney.


186 posted on 02/29/2012 3:32:08 AM PST by Theodore R. (Forget the others: It's Santorum's turn, less baggage, articulate, passionate)
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To: Liberty Valance
Mitt Romney's Nash...

Mittens Family Truckster


187 posted on 02/29/2012 3:39:29 AM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: DoughtyOne; Noumenon; nathanbedford; Jeff Head

And, to add to the above, remember that the Constitutional Union party were actually NOT BAD GUYS.

They were the only ones who could hear the cannons and see the bodies stacked like cordwood. They saw clearly what Lincoln, and Breckenridge, and Douglas denied.

Unfortunately, the answer to their plaintive “can’t we all just get along?” was a resounding “hell, no!”

The “fundamental transformation of the United States of America” is, and always has been, a formula for war. Most Americans don’t want the war that’s coming, and they’re right not to want it, or, at least, to hate the thought of it.

The nomination of Romney, over the objections of between 60-75% of the Republican rank-and-file, far from postponing the conflict, will accelerate the timetable.


188 posted on 02/29/2012 3:40:54 AM PST by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: DoughtyOne

I started watching the county-by-county results on townhall.com when about 10% of the vote was reported. The split was 41-38 and the spread never moved through the entire result. Very bizarre. Usually you see some swing as different counties report, but last night the spread never varied by a single percentage point. Who programmed the voting machines?


189 posted on 02/29/2012 3:44:27 AM PST by littleharbour
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To: DoughtyOne

***Congrats to those who slammed Santorum non-stop for the last few weeks. Romney thanks you all very much.****

If your sarcasm is directed at the few hundred Newt supporters on FreeRepublic - how do you account for the Romney win?? Romney should have been obliterated if voters were all pro-Newt FReepers.


190 posted on 02/29/2012 3:46:46 AM PST by sodpoodle ( Newt - God has tested him for a reason...... to bring America back from the brink.)
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To: Red Steel
After volleyball yesterday morning, I had lunch with one of my teammates who is a democrat. He wanted advice on who he and his wife should vote for because he was going to cross over and vote in our primary but not for Romney, who he dislikes tremendously.

While I'm a Gingrich fan, Gingrich himself knew he had no chance here in Michigan so I suggested that my friend give their votes to Santorum.

I'm hoping that it will come down to a race just between Santorum and Gingrich......

As a side note, there's another friend of mine whose family I would consider moderate Democrats and voted for Obama will be voting Republican in November. So you figure 10 less votes for Dems and 10 more votes for Republicans, that's a swing of 20 votes........I'm encouraged

191 posted on 02/29/2012 3:57:28 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (The only solution to this primary is a shoot out! Last person standing picks the candidate)
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To: JediJones; All

In a nutshell, Mitt winning both contests is a blessing in disguise. It knocked the wind out of Lil’ Ricky’s sails going into the South where a real, big boy pants Conservative, Newt, can pick up the pieces and deliver a serious blow to the Massachusetts Marxist.
I listened to post-election speech. It was a timid echo of what the Speaker has been saying all along. Why settle for a pale imitation when you can get the real thing?
Go Newt!


192 posted on 02/29/2012 4:00:22 AM PST by j.argese (FR is a Newt-ist Colony, not a Romney Room, Paul Pavillion or Santorum Sanctum)
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To: Red Steel

I will not be voting for that Massachusetts son of a b*tch Romney...end of story. If he wants to turn this country into the same dog stool of a sewer that is Massachusetts; he can do it without my help.


193 posted on 02/29/2012 4:17:52 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: A Navy Vet
I'm so glad that I'm so old and will not see the above happen. Best to you.

My sincere congratulations on reaching the century mark...because if you are any younger than that; you are going to see it happen...I believe we are at the last step. :-(

194 posted on 02/29/2012 4:23:43 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: A Navy Vet

...and my wife and I thank you for your service.


195 posted on 02/29/2012 4:24:54 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: lodi90

And what happens if Romney gets in? Given his history, will he govern to the left or right of Obama?

Looking at his time in Mass, he will run to the LEFT.

These are historic times. This is the end of the American democracy, and the beginning of tyranny. The Republic died a long time ago.

Emoting will not change things. Keep fighting, but realize it is better to focus on the fights you might win, rather than the one you probably won’t. Mitt and Barrack are two peas in a pod. If either gets in the White house, the agenda will be the same.


196 posted on 02/29/2012 4:30:56 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: BlackElk

You are right.

Right now, it doesn’t matter if Obama or Mitt wins. They have the same track record.


197 posted on 02/29/2012 4:36:16 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: plain talk

“Right - conservatives have no one to blame but themselves for splitting the vote. So you can thank santorum and gingrich for helping mitt get in.”

So true. If ONE of those two massive egos would simply back out, the other one would probably be ahead right now, since they wouldn’t be splitting the anti-Romney vote.

The more I see Romney, the more I dislike him. Watching Fox News last night was literally nauseating. It was like a non-stop Romney infomercial, with the news babes having orgasms at the very mention of his name, and bringing on nothing but pro-Romney robots to blather on about how wonderful Romney is. Seriously, I don’t think I’ve ever seen such blatant propaganda on something that purports to be news.


198 posted on 02/29/2012 4:36:26 AM PST by Pravious
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To: ChildOfThe60s
Absolutely!

He barely squeaked by in his home state! That's downright embarrassing!

The anti-Romney vote is still winning!

199 posted on 02/29/2012 4:40:43 AM PST by RoosterRedux (Newt: Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less. Barack Obama: Have Algae, Pay More, Be Weird.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I hope you’re not under the illusion that what we say here actually has any bearing on the outcome of the primaries.

The truth, I fear, is that informed FReepers are 0.003% of the voters. The vast majority of them are semi-brainwashed idiots who have grown up under public education and think that because Mitt Romney looks Presidential (if you don’t look too hard) he would make a good President. End of discussion. Throw anything else in their direction, and it’s just noise.

Yes... I’m feeling down after yesterday. It’s distressing. Hell, I think I even remember some Republican politician coming on Fox yesterday and exclaiming how great it was to have open primaries because it showed people what a “big tent” we have.


200 posted on 02/29/2012 4:47:18 AM PST by Pravious
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