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Game official: cougar killing no one's business
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 2/28/12 | Marisa Lagos

Posted on 02/28/2012 10:53:32 PM PST by SmithL

California Fish and Game Commission President Daniel Richards said Tuesday that there is "zero chance" he will resign over a photograph showing him grinning as he holds up the body of a mountain lion he shot, killed and ate in Idaho recently.

In a letter addressed to Assemblyman Ben Hueso, D-San Diego, one of dozens of public officials who called for Richards' resignation in recent days, Richards blasted lawmakers and others for their criticism of his hunting expedition and mocked their condemnation of the kill.

Richards wrote that he did eat a cougar for dinner, did not use a high-powered rifle and said he has "consistently supported" conservation efforts as a commissioner when they were backed by scientific evidence. He compared his actions to a California official gambling in Nevada.

While it's legal to kill the big cats in Idaho, California has banned the hunting of mountain lions since 1972, and voters have twice renewed that restriction. After the photo surfaced online this week, at least 40 lawmakers and Lt. Gov. Gavin Newsom called for his resignation.

Newsom, in a letter, said the "actions call into question whether you can live up to the calling of your office," and "do not reflect the values of the people of California."

Richards was unapologetic.

"Do you really think a California commissioner is actually obligated to follow California laws across these United States? Really?" Richards wrote on Fish and Game letterhead in a two-page correspondence he also sent to the entire Legislature, the governor, the California secretary of Natural Resources, and members of the Fish and Game Commission.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: California; US: Idaho
KEYWORDS: california; cougar; danielrichards; fishandgame; idaho
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1 posted on 02/28/2012 10:53:36 PM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Why does he say he didn’t use a high powered rifle and why does that even matter? I would have used my Marlin 1895ss and bragged about it, but the girly men are prevelant right now I see.


2 posted on 02/28/2012 11:02:57 PM PST by X-FID
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To: SmithL

Given Newsome’s personal life, I think he would shut up about what others do.


3 posted on 02/28/2012 11:04:29 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: SmithL

Nice looking cougar!


4 posted on 02/28/2012 11:07:28 PM PST by srweaver (Never Forget the Judicial Homicide of Terri Schiavo)
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To: SmithL

He should shoot and eat the cat that mauled Roy of Seigfried and Roy.


5 posted on 02/28/2012 11:08:09 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (How ironic that Ann Coulter should write a book called Treason.)
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To: X-FID

Shrug. My guess is that he used hounds[Black and Tan] and shot it out of a tree. Not my cup of tea.


6 posted on 02/28/2012 11:10:08 PM PST by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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No mention of Richards’ political affiliation. At least I didn’t notice one.


7 posted on 02/28/2012 11:11:40 PM PST by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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To: SmithL
I know that not a single one of these morons have ever seen what a full grown mountain lion does to a deer or elk. They want to act like these cats are some god like creature. They are more like land based sharks. They breed, kill, and kill again. In some areas they have already killed half of the deer and elk herds. This is about the management of a game animal by the Idaho fish and game by issuing a set number of tags every year. The hunters who use those tags are nothing more than tools of the state used to keep the population of lions in check.
This ban on hunting lions in Kalifornia is not based on science it is based on the total BS perception of the city folks. If you let the biologists at the DFG make the decision there would be tags issued for lions in this state as well. Not being able to manage the top predator in the food change is not good science at all. It is a sham. The truth of the matter is that the ranchers manage the cats very well. That is where the SSS rule came into play. Shoot Shovel and Shut up.
8 posted on 02/28/2012 11:12:31 PM PST by oldenuff2no (Rangers lead the way...... Delta, the original European home land security)
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To: SmithL
Oops...you have to have a tag to kill a cougar?
9 posted on 02/28/2012 11:23:33 PM PST by crazyhorse691 (Obama is just the symptom of what is destroying the U.S.)
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To: SmithL

So the a hole thinks he is above the law, put his a** in jail.


10 posted on 02/28/2012 11:24:07 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: SmithL
a mountain lion he shot, killed and ate

Ate?
11 posted on 02/28/2012 11:30:42 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: org.whodat
So the a hole thinks he is above the law, put his a** in jail.

You're saying that somebody should be thrown in jail because what they legally did in one state was not legal in their own state?

Guess what, there are parts of Texas where it's legal for me to drive 80mph. If I ever go to California again, God forbid, does that mean I should get in trouble there for something I did legally in Texas?
12 posted on 02/28/2012 11:34:58 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

Guess what they said he did not have a tag to kill the cat.


13 posted on 02/28/2012 11:37:13 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: org.whodat

Where is the claim of illegality?


14 posted on 02/28/2012 11:50:42 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: oldenuff2no; All

I don’t know how common they are out there, but the Florida panther subspecies is almost extinct.


15 posted on 02/28/2012 11:56:19 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: ansel12

I believed the poster in #9, you are free to call him whatever gives you a thrill.


16 posted on 02/28/2012 11:58:02 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: af_vet_rr; org.whodat

Here is the letter from Newsom making clear that it was legal.

Mr. Daniel W. Richards
President, California Fish and Game Commission
1416 Ninth Street, Suite 1320
Sacramento, CA 95814
President Richards,

Thank you for more than 4 years of service to the people of California as a member of the California Fish and Game Commission. Unfortunately, recent events make it clear that you cannot continue in any capacity on the Commission. (California wildlife official in hot water over mountain lion hunt, San Jose Mercury News, February 17, 2012) I must confess to a personal interest in this issue above those of my current office. As you may know, my father, Judge William Newsom is a long-time mountain lion protection advocate and past president of the Mountain Lion Preservation Foundation. Additionally, I have personally worked for the protection of these majestic animals and their habitat.

While not in California at the time, your actions call into question whether you can live up to the calling of your office. Since 1870 the Commission has worked to manage the wildlife resources of our state. As president of the commission, I am sure you understand that merely complying with the conservation laws of California is not the standard by which the Commission or its members are measured. As is stated on the Commission’s website, your actions should be in the “best interest of the resource and truly reflect(s) the wishes and needs of the people.”

I do appreciate that you did nothing illegal in Idaho, but it is clear that your actions do not reflect the values of the people of California. In 1972, Governor Ronald Reagan signed legislation banning the sport hunting of mountain lions in California for 5 years. That ban was twice renewed before the voters of California passed Proposition 117 in June 1990.

I’m sure I needn’t remind you of the many challenges facing California and the important work ahead for the Commission. Your continued presence on the Commission is a distraction from those important issues.

As such, I am prevailing on your sense of civic service to respectfully request you resign, effective immediately, so we can move on to the pressing issues facing our great state.

Sincerely,
Lieutenant Governor Gavin Newsom


17 posted on 02/28/2012 11:59:29 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: gleeaikin
There are a lot of them here. To the point that they are making a huge dent in the deer population in Kalifornia.
18 posted on 02/29/2012 12:00:14 AM PST by oldenuff2no (Rangers lead the way...... Delta, the original European home land security)
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To: gleeaikin

A cat like that has a range of about 120 square miles. As fat as it is someone has been baiting for the commissioner. His term in office is soon up if he is not fired. He will never get reapproved.


19 posted on 02/29/2012 12:00:48 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: SmithL
That's the kind of big kitties that are common in the mountains south of Pocatello. It's why I never hike there without my .44 Mag. They come into town hunting pets in backyards. No problem with having the population reduced. They are legal to hunt in Idaho. Not sure how good they are from an eating perspective. The girly politicians from CA need to shut up and mind their own business.
20 posted on 02/29/2012 12:05:42 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: org.whodat
I'm asking you to defend your bizarre post and your claim that the man was breaking the law and your statement that you desire that he be sent to jail, where is your head at?

"So the a hole thinks he is above the law, put his a** in jail."

21 posted on 02/29/2012 12:05:49 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: org.whodat
What he did was perfectly legal in Idaho. You do have to get a tag to take them, but that is a matter of walking into a sporting goods store and making the purchase. He did nothing wrong. Jail is for criminals.
22 posted on 02/29/2012 12:08:44 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: SmithL

I don’t have a problem with the guy here. He took the cat in Idaho, where the hunting of cougars is perfectly legal. That his home state bans it has no bearing, or should have no bearing, whatsoever on what the guy legally did in another state.


23 posted on 02/29/2012 12:11:17 AM PST by DemforBush (A Repo man is *always* intense!)
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To: Myrddin

What this is about is getting him off the commission so that the power shifts entirely from hunting to environmentalism.


24 posted on 02/29/2012 12:13:26 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: ansel12
Newsom is a waste of skin. His "values" reflect the fudge packers of San Francisco. His election to office reflects the freaks that are the electorate of CA. He should keep his nose out of the business of folks who leave the freak state to pursue normal behaviors.
25 posted on 02/29/2012 12:14:08 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: org.whodat
So the a hole thinks he is above the law, put his a** in jail.

And this is your org.whodat on drugs...

26 posted on 02/29/2012 12:24:20 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (the whole reason we have elected officials is so we don't have to think all the time. -Homer Simpson)
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To: ansel12
I understand how the leftist freaks think. That's why I had no second thoughts about selling my house in San Diego in 2001 and moving my family to Idaho. My wife and I are native born Californians. We're gone along with our 6 figure incomes. We were tired of the abusive taxes, regulation, traffic, crowded stores and schools. The only reason I'm working in San Diego right now is because Obama's attack on DoD budgets cratered all of my contracts. The one in San Diego requires being physically on site. I'll resume work from my home office in Idaho as soon as I can develop some business and contracts that will permit heading home.
27 posted on 02/29/2012 12:24:50 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: org.whodat

What law did he break?


28 posted on 02/29/2012 12:30:39 AM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: SmithL

I often hike the Los Gatos trail here in the SF Bay Area. All over, there are signs warning against mountain lions. If one of the cuddly things one day makes a dinner of me or someone else, will it have to answer to Gavin Newsom, et al?


29 posted on 02/29/2012 12:31:51 AM PST by tanuki (Left-wing Revolution: show biz for boring people.)
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To: Myrddin

I have known a lot of people from here (San Diego) going to Idaho. It is a good state and they love it.


30 posted on 02/29/2012 12:33:25 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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California Fish and Game Commission President Daniel Richards said Tuesday that there is "zero chance" he will resign over a photograph showing him grinning as he holds up the body of a mountain lion he shot, killed and ate in Idaho recently.

And yet, try taking a fish without a license in Californa, and watch this guy and his ilk string you up from the nearest tree.

I hope they seriously screw this guy over. What goes around, comes around butt-wipe.

31 posted on 02/29/2012 1:24:17 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: DoughtyOne

“...And yet, try taking a fish without a license in Californa, and watch this guy and his ilk string you up from the nearest tree.
I hope they seriously screw this guy over. What goes around, comes around butt-wipe...”

If you fish without a proper license, *YOU* deserve to be “screwed over”...Buttwipe!


32 posted on 02/29/2012 1:54:44 AM PST by chadwimc (Proud to be an infidel ! Allah fubar !!!)
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To: org.whodat

Well then, that was one of the stupidest comments I’ve read today. But the day is young, I still have time to read more of your comments. LOL


33 posted on 02/29/2012 2:44:36 AM PST by Shimmer1 (Think. It isn't illegal yet.)
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To: tanuki

No, it’s respectable and legal to be eaten by a mtn lion, just don’t eat one


34 posted on 02/29/2012 2:49:15 AM PST by Shimmer1 (Think. It isn't illegal yet.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

“Ate?”

Yeh, they taste like tuna.


35 posted on 02/29/2012 2:57:32 AM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: ansel12; org.whodat
To a degree it's the old Democrat "hypocrite" charge ~ after all the man is part of the ENFORCEMENT apparatus that keeps other Californians from killing cougars.

Sure, he was in a different state when he killed one ~ and ate it ~ and it was all legal ~ but what is he doing protecting the darned things back in CA? Certainly they are as dangerous there as they are in Idaho

What I wonder is if he brought back trophies. That'd be paws, a head, maybe a tail. Where are they? Or, did he save the hide for preservation as a rug, and just what are the California laws on ownership of such materials?

If Californians think these critters are in some manner endangered and have protected them, it follows to reason that they have created some evidentiary standards ~ one of which would be possession of hide, skeleton, etc. ~ maybe even gallstones!

If he took trophies it would be reasonable to ask where he put them ~ maybe in the Fish and Game Commission's meeting room?

36 posted on 02/29/2012 3:09:01 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: ansel12

Do you have a reading problem, the poster in 9 said he had no tag I believed him. Now take it up with him, if you want to start some petty little fight.


37 posted on 02/29/2012 3:34:53 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: muawiyah
Do you know the difference in eating a cougar and a house cat????? The number of guest and the size of the gravy bowl, but do not tell the Peta people here.
38 posted on 02/29/2012 3:37:26 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: X-FID

Why does he say he didn’t use a high powered rifle....Hell, I’d be proud of jumping out of a tree and wrasslin’ him to death with a garrote, too. Why rain on his parade?


39 posted on 02/29/2012 3:45:30 AM PST by Safetgiver (I'd rather die under a free American sky than live under a Socialist regime.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Ate?..I found that part of the story...rather distasteful.


40 posted on 02/29/2012 3:47:40 AM PST by Safetgiver (I'd rather die under a free American sky than live under a Socialist regime.)
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To: org.whodat

Frankly, I don’t consider cats edible. Ever watch them lick their butts?


41 posted on 02/29/2012 3:48:06 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: org.whodat

So if I were to kill an elk legally in Wyoming, I should resign my political office here in Wisconsin where it is ILLEGAL to kill an elk? Absurd!

Makes me wonder what the hell has happened to this country that I used to know? Not only absurd but, INSANE!


42 posted on 02/29/2012 3:59:54 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: muawiyah
but what is he doing protecting the darned things back in CA?

His job.......He doesn't make the law, his job is to enforce it. In fact, considering the state he works in, I think he has a very healthy attitude towards hunting.....

43 posted on 02/29/2012 4:17:17 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (The only solution to this primary is a shoot out! Last person standing picks the candidate)
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To: Hot Tabasco

It’s his eating habits that peg him as strange.


44 posted on 02/29/2012 4:19:43 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Ever watch them lick their butts?

No, it's not polite to stare......

45 posted on 02/29/2012 4:20:13 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (The only solution to this primary is a shoot out! Last person standing picks the candidate)
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To: Progov

Why not read the entire thread, nut////


46 posted on 02/29/2012 4:21:16 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: Theoria
My guess is that he used hounds[Black and Tan] and shot it out of a tree

That's the primary way they bear hunt in northern Michigan.....when I was a kid, my uncles in northern michigan were hardcore bear hunters and had some of the best dogs around.

47 posted on 02/29/2012 4:25:59 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (The only solution to this primary is a shoot out! Last person standing picks the candidate)
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To: muawiyah
It’s his eating habits that peg him as strange.

I could say the same thing about folks who enjoy pickled beets or lima beans.......LOL!

48 posted on 02/29/2012 4:27:24 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (The only solution to this primary is a shoot out! Last person standing picks the candidate)
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To: muawiyah

“Frankly, I don’t consider cats edible. Ever watch them lick their butts?”
_______________________________

Guess you’ve never worked on or even visited a cattle ranch. Not trying to be mean, just saying that ALL breeds of cattle are notorious butt-lickers.


49 posted on 02/29/2012 4:45:58 AM PST by panaxanax (0bama >>WORST PRESIDENT EVER.)
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To: panaxanax

Cattle are bigger ~ longer distance to travel.


50 posted on 02/29/2012 5:07:25 AM PST by muawiyah
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