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Obama Loses His First Debate (can't rebut Newt's compelling understanding of U.S. energy policy)
The American Spectator ^ | February 29, 2011 | Peter Ferrara

Posted on 02/29/2012 3:21:10 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

Lying is not going to rebut Newt Gingrich's compelling understanding of America's energy policy and huge energy reserves.

In a speech that the Gingrich campaign has begun broadcasting around the country, and which is posted at Newt.org, Gingrich presents a unique new vision for a booming American economy. I think you will find it pathbreaking. It is so compelling that it drew Obama into a transcontinental debate with the former Speaker, the first exchange that Obama has decisively lost since he appeared on the national stage.

Gingrich began the explanation of his vision like this:

"What if we had a program that enabled the American people to develop so much new energy that we were, in fact, no longer reliant on Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran. We didn't care what the Iranians did in the Strait of Hormuz because we were safe in national security terms.

What if that new energy program created well over a million new jobs, high-paying jobs, jobs that put Americans back to work and kept the money here at home that we had been sending overseas, giving us a dramatic improvement in our balance of payments, strengthening the dollar and giving us a chance to live much freer and more independently?

What if that very idea also meant that we'd also have dramatic increases in federal revenue… without a tax increase but that, in fact, the federal government would have literally an entire new stream of money?

And finally, what if that big new idea meant that you personally were better off because you are buying gasoline for $2.50 a gallon, not for $3.89 or $4 or what some people project by the summer could be could be $5 or more?..............."

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Take 30 minutes. Expand the video to fill the screen and listen to Newt [or read -- full transcript].
1 posted on 02/29/2012 3:21:18 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Triple BUMP to Perry’s and Newt’s energy plan!!!

If only people would wake up...


2 posted on 02/29/2012 3:39:18 AM PST by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

DRILL BABY DRILL!!

Drill here, drill now.

3 posted on 02/29/2012 3:41:42 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("The door is open" PALIN 2012)
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To: txrangerette

“If only people would wake up...”

Well, that’s the problem right there.


4 posted on 02/29/2012 3:42:28 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Thanks, I watched it again. I sent to some friends.

Gosh, if we could begin drilling here, our country will

produce so many jobs with good pay.

5 posted on 02/29/2012 3:47:02 AM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: ought-six

North Dakota is living the dream right now.

Alaska, too, benefits from jobs and revenue to state coffers, dating from before the ND “miracle” unfolded.

So besides Perry and Gingrich, Sarah Palin understood this long ago.

Wake up, America!


6 posted on 02/29/2012 3:49:56 AM PST by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
For those of us who count ourselves among the very early supporters of Newt Gingrich on these threads, it is impossible to express how profoundly depressing the polling and election results have become.

I am a foaming at the mouth, flopping on the floor conservative but that does not mean I cannot confront reality. In the wake of polling results and last night's election results in which Gingrich could not even outflank Ron Paul in Michigan, I have to conclude that Newt's chances are going a glimmering. I do not write them off entirely, he is a remarkably gifted politician, resolute, resourceful and resilient, but the odds are lengthening ominously.

When one sees the contrast between Newt's energy policy and the ludicrous algae policy of the Pond Scum President, one is heartbroken that Newt cannot get a nomination at a time when the country so desperately needs his vision. Consider the disparity in lucidity on energy to be not just between Newt and Obama but between Newt and the other Republican candidates. No one comes into his league for clarity of vision and power of expression. No one comes close to him in seeing the issue in such a timely manner. Remember, Gingrich has been on this issue literally for years and was one of the early crafters of the "drill here, drill now" theme.

Consider that the energy issue is but a single facet of a multidimensional mind which embraces all the issues and which can replicate this clarity and dynamism on balancing the budget, or freedom of religion etc.

Note further, Gingrich has always an over arching theme and ties one issue into another. Thus, he speaks not just of energy but integrates our energy policy with our foreign policy, our defense policy, our war on terrorism, jobs, balance of payments etc. etc.

He tells us why Obama is committed to a witless green energy policy and frankly tells us it is part of his radicalism, his submission to the radicalism of Saul Alinsky. He tells the voter why Obama's energy policy is more than misguided, it is the product of a seriously misguided mind. Do you get that understanding from Santorum or Romney?

I have not given up on miracles, but I have to believe that I do not see the world the way even my fellow Republicans do. I am prepared to question my ability to judge common perception which leads to candidates' popularity but I do not concede my position on the issues or my judgment on the candidates' relative merits.

It is a pity at this time of moral and existential crisis for the nation that even conservatives are turning their face from the one-man who was destined for these times.


7 posted on 02/29/2012 3:50:43 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

Problem for Newt is that he is too smart and well informed for the average moron at home buying in to soundbites and msm narratives.


8 posted on 02/29/2012 3:52:59 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: nathanbedford

Well written and it captures my sentiments as well.


9 posted on 02/29/2012 3:55:01 AM PST by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: txrangerette

“Wake up, America!”

Before it’s too late.


10 posted on 02/29/2012 3:59:22 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: nathanbedford

I am not ready to throw in the towel. Last night could prove to be the best possible outcome. Newt didn’t campaign in MI, in essence telling Santorum, “Okay, let’s see what you got.” Santorum went there with HUGE momentum and wall-to-wall support from Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin. And he couldn’t beat Romney, even though a week or so ago he was ahead by what, 10 points? Rick and his supporters might blame Newt (if he had only told his supporters to vote for me) or Romney (all those negative ads) but the truth is, Rick did this to himself.

It’s time for Rick to go, although I have no illusions he will.


11 posted on 02/29/2012 4:09:37 AM PST by Mangia E Statti Zitto
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To: nathanbedford

Gingrich is the only one offering ideas that would bring about a serious, profound change. I haven’t quite given up, because I think the votes yesterday were basically for the frills - that is, the candidate’s public image or his rhetoric about social issues - and Santorum will quickly fade because he really has nothing to offer except a slightly different and less popular version of Romney.

The problem is that people obviously like what both of these candidates are offering, which is more big government, more nanny state, and more repression and control. They have somehow decided that the function of the state is to be mother. I think that silly race-car driver, Danica Patrick, was actually expressing a common attitude when she said in the course of an interview that she could always trust the government to know what was best for her (she was supporting the Obamacare attack on freedom of conscience).

People say that women voters don’t like Gingrich because he was married three times, but that has nothing to do with it. They don’t like him because most women voters, whether liberal or theoretically conservative, are big-government people and think that the duty of the state is to look after us all, and he’s the only one who thinks that the function of the state is simply to guarantee the tranquility, stability and order of our environment in such a way that we are free to go ahead with our individual creativity and enterprise. We don’t need looking after.

I wouldn’t say I’ve quite given up. Now that Romney’s mini-me Santorum is fading, perhaps it will be possible for Gingrich to bring his ideas to the fore and perhaps, just perhaps, there will be enough Americans who really understand the contrast between his vision and that of Romney/Obama and will choose Gingrich’s vision. It’s going to be hard, though, because I think the sad reality is that many Americans have either tacitly accepted or enthusiastically embraced Holy Mother the State.


12 posted on 02/29/2012 4:11:01 AM PST by livius
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To: Mangia E Statti Zitto

You have expressed how I feel exactly. For 2 weeks, on Sarah Palin’s facebook, Newt supporters were often posting that they would help stop Mitt in Michigan possibly making Newt’s numbers even lower. I respect Newt. The media is out to stop him at all costs.


13 posted on 02/29/2012 4:17:25 AM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: txrangerette
Triple BUMP to Perry’s and Newt’s energy plan!!! If only people would wake up...

Newt on Fox and Friends tells the viewers -- Obama is full of baloney!

14 posted on 02/29/2012 4:21:15 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Long and short version of Newt's new ad:

Winning Our Future | It's Time to Choose Newt. Ad (0:60)

Winning Our Future | It's Time to Choose Newt. Ad (0:30)

15 posted on 02/29/2012 4:21:57 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Newt Responds To Obama’s Energy Speech point by point

http://youtu.be/7gaHJz7qz4s


16 posted on 02/29/2012 4:25:19 AM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: nathanbedford

You speak for many.


17 posted on 02/29/2012 4:26:17 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Does anyone understand yet that any debates with Obama will be run by the MSM and will totally be routed to only cover issues that Obama wants to talk about?

Winning will not rest upon any debates.


18 posted on 02/29/2012 4:27:46 AM PST by dforest
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To: Marguerite
Here is a better link to Newt's point by point response to Obama's muddled anti-American energy scheme.

Good audio/visual: Newt Gingrich Speech to California Republican Convention [46 minutes]

19 posted on 02/29/2012 4:29:12 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: dforest

Understood.


20 posted on 02/29/2012 4:30:13 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Mangia E Statti Zitto
.....Newt didn’t campaign in MI, in essence telling Santorum, “Okay, let’s see what you got.”

True. Newt said Rick had a fairly open road being the conservative alternative.

""You will see things start to clarify if, as people expect, you end up with a Romney victory in Michigan. I think you'll see Santorum getting a very different look," Gingrich said. "He has had two weeks of being the alternative. The fact is, I think there are profound reasons that Rick lost the Senate race by the largest margin in Pennsylvania history in 2006 and I think it's very hard for him to carry that all the way to the general (election)." Source

21 posted on 02/29/2012 4:34:30 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Mangia E Statti Zitto
"I am not ready to throw in the towel. Last night could prove to be the best possible outcome. Rick didn’t campaign in FL, in essence telling Newt, “Okay, let’s see what you got.” Newt went there with HUGE momentum and wall-to-wall support from Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin. And he couldn’t beat Romney, even though a week or so ago he was ahead by what, 10 points? Newt and his supporters might blame Rick (if he had only told his supporters to vote for me) or Romney (all those negative ads) but the truth is, Newt did this to himself. It’s time for Newt to go, although I have no illusions he will.

Your post made me chuckle because all you have to do is change the names around and you get a replay of the Florida debacle for Newt.

22 posted on 02/29/2012 4:38:02 AM PST by dforest
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; carolinablonde; marvlus; ApplegateRanch; Berlin_Freeper; Genesis defender; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

23 posted on 02/29/2012 4:38:52 AM PST by steelyourfaith (Expel the Occupy White House squatters !!!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Once again, Newt is spot on! I also think there are “profound reasons” Rick blew his huge advantage last night in Michigan:

1. His robocall asking for Democrat votes. That came off as a bit sneaky and underhanded. Even Rush couldn’t put that one over.
2. Calling the President a snob for saying all kids should go to college. He actually made Obama look like the champion of the poor and middle class!
3. Saying JFK’s speech made him want to throw up. THAT hyperbole was so over the top even Rick had to walk it back.


24 posted on 02/29/2012 4:43:29 AM PST by Mangia E Statti Zitto
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Gingrich said, "After I came out for a program to get to $2.50 a gallon gasoline, Obama decided he had to make a speech on energy. It is a very revealing speech. It is factually false, intellectually incoherent, deeply conflicted on policy and in some places just strange."

Gingrich exposed Obama's confusion regarding fracking, saying that:

"Obama lives in this fantasy world of government subsidies. He says, quote, "It was public research dollars that over the years helped develop the technologies that companies are right now using to extract oil and natural gas." Just to set the record straight, fracking began in Kansas in 1947 and it expands to Oklahoma in 1949. It's done in Canada in the 1950s. And George Mitchell and the private sector are regarded as the pioneers in the development of "fracking." This would be like suggesting that the Air Force invented the airplane and they don't know who these two Wright Brothers are because, after all, they were private sector guys who were just bicycle mechanics, and how could they have invented the airplane when actually it must have been the Air Force because everything that was good is done by the government. That is the Obama mindset."

Gingrich summarizes:

"Obama's is a very revealing speech. You have an intellectual left winger who lives in a fantasy world in which he very cleverly uses language to say things that aren't true that sound good because he knows that if he tells you what he really wants to do, you will defeat him in a landslide. One of our jobs, of course, is to make sure that the American people understand what he really wants to do. Our choice is between energy independence and never again bowing to a Saudi King and $2.50 gasoline and about $18 trillion in royalties over the next generation; enough you could literally pay off the national debt just with the royalties for the federal government from development with no tax increase, and at least a million new jobs. That is our side. Obama's side is a series of fantasies in which your tax money is thrown away on products that are not commercially feasible, while you pay higher and higher prices, and are coerced into smaller and smaller and smaller vehicles. These are the two futures we are going to campaign on this year."

http://spectator.org/archives/2012/02/29/obama-loses-his-first-debate/3

25 posted on 02/29/2012 4:44:07 AM PST by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: dforest
Wow, Santos has not had hardly anything laid on him after what was done to Newt on Bloody Thursday and Mitt's 17 to 1 negative ads. Shaking head.
26 posted on 02/29/2012 4:44:59 AM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Libs always say they want someone "really smart" to be president. Well, that's Newt.

No one who's been paying attention will deny that Obama seriously lacks bandwidth. An Obama-Gingrich debate would present such a stark contrast the media would be hard pressed to spin it favorably for the Boy-King. Unless of course, realizing their candidates weakness they crafted a million possible responses to any questions the fawning media might throw at him to emphasize Obummer's "charm" and "charisma" in contrast to Newt's "angry white guy" persona.

In any event, it would be a lot of fun to watch.

27 posted on 02/29/2012 4:45:29 AM PST by Oratam
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To: dforest

Mods, can this post be removed. It is very insulting to those of us who respect Newt. Thanks for your time.


28 posted on 02/29/2012 4:47:06 AM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: dforest

You have an excellent point! With one distinction: Rush and Mark have NEVER been wall-to-wall for Newt like they have been for Rick. You’ve got to grant me that.


29 posted on 02/29/2012 4:48:43 AM PST by Mangia E Statti Zitto
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To: Christie at the beach

dforest

That would be Post#22, mods by dforest.


30 posted on 02/29/2012 4:49:39 AM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: nathanbedford

Propaganda works. No question about it.

Newt has been drowned in negative propaganda while the GOP anointed one (Romney) has flourished with it by the media and establishment Republicans.

I have this “gut” feeling that Newt will rise again, not in the Republican party but as a third party candidate and possibly with Palin as his running mate.

Do I worry about a third party insuring the reelection of Obama. The answer is no and I do think Obama would win if a third party materialized. However, if we let the “good ole boys” in the Republican party have their way with us, it makes no difference which party is in power.

The very reason we find ourselves facing socialism/Marxism/communism/Fascist slavery is directly due to the “go along to get along,” timid and meek, self-serving establishment republicans. Compromise is their credo and surrender is their motto.

Establishment republicans pray at the alter of Political Correctness and not a single one would shed a drop of political blood to protect the Constitution or the ones who they are supposed to represent.

I know that this upcoming election is our last chance to thwart political slavery and with direction we are currently going with the GOP it is absolutely certain that Obama will win anyway and we will not have another chance in the future to save our country’s freedoms.

Look at the freedoms we have lost in only three years. Now the IRS is intimidating the Tea Party movement with their “jack booted” thuggery to incite fear among their ranks.

It’s Hitler all over again and the sheep willfully walk into the ovens.

Not me; for I will fight for my freedoms to the end and I know that the republican party cannot be fixed because the “fix” is in...always has been since Regan.

The only method I know is to support another party that supports me, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and protects our American way of life and heritage.

That would be a new conservative party.


31 posted on 02/29/2012 4:52:47 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Christie at the beach

—>>That would be Post#22, mods by dforest.

Please ignore/I wanted to refer to another post.


32 posted on 02/29/2012 4:54:29 AM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: Mangia E Statti Zitto

Yeah, I will grant you that.


33 posted on 02/29/2012 4:55:31 AM PST by dforest
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To: Christie at the beach

There was nothing in that post that should be removed.

You sure are a thin skinned boy.

I find it upsetting when people speak insulting about Santorum all the time.

I do not ask the mods to remove their posts.


34 posted on 02/29/2012 4:58:23 AM PST by dforest
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To: dforest
Your post made me chuckle because all you have to do is change the names around and you get a replay of the Florida debacle for Newt.

Mitt had to gamble in Michigan and not hit Santorum too hard because he and his PAC spent $2Million/day for 10 days hammering Newt in Florida. You can try to compare the two but it really doesn't pass the smell test.

35 posted on 02/29/2012 5:01:54 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: nathanbedford

I agree Newt’s arguments for energy et al are very compelling and actions based on them would produce good results.

However, I don’t see how this, as the title suggests, is a ‘debate’ with Obama in any conceivable interpretation. Morelike it was a debate something akin to “Fantasy Football Leagues.”

There won’t be any substantive debates between Newt and Obama. The locations, audience makeup, media exposure, moderator selection ALL will be tightly controlled. And, true to form, if Newt were even the GOP candidate, he would be forced into accepting a hamstrung debate with Obama because of his ego and because the GOP elites would force him. I seriously doubt there will be any more GOP debates where he can shine - they just won’t allow him to excel as with South Carolina.

As much as I hate to say this, Newt is being systematically minimized by the media, and by the GOP elite establishment.
The media is egging on the Santorum rise and diminishing Newt’s hold. Santorum is being discussed everywhere - even here where his detractors are responding by logically cutting apart his platform and goals when we should be deriding him and collecting laughing at the thought of him as a conservative.

Newt needs MONEY, he needs support here in Georgia to win big, big, big - but I’ve said here before he’s not as likely to do that as many people think. He’ll win, but I suspect not by much - I hope I am wrong.

He should be here every day, every minute, everywhere in Georgia explaining that his policies will fix the gas problem that Obama turned the $1.85/gallon gas price on his Inauguration Day into $4 and $5/gallon today and the next 6 months. He needs credible analysts to backup the new-start housing declines, the jobs declines, the phony high market/low volume marker, translate the nation debt and deficits into milk, eggs, and butter...etc.


36 posted on 02/29/2012 5:03:45 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Marguerite

Bump!


37 posted on 02/29/2012 5:03:45 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: txrangerette

“If only people would wake up.”

For some reason, almost fifty percent of the population loves Progressives. Maybe they confuse the term “progressive” with someone who wants progress. Maybe they think of themselves as supreme intellectuals, as superior individuals or maybe they’re just as much scu*bags as hardcore Progressives themselves.

Just as Progressives hate oil, so will those who love Progressives hate oil and fossil fuels. Any pro energy policy will be considered by them to be a scam by the evil oil companies and all those evil Conservatives.

IMHO


38 posted on 02/29/2012 5:04:29 AM PST by ripley
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Watch later.


39 posted on 02/29/2012 5:04:39 AM PST by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

There really is only one smell test here. It is the fact that Newt and Santorum have been ineffective at attacking Romney.

Romney is a liar of the first order and talks all conservative but just talks that way to win the election. His record is not that of a conservative in any way.

Somehow the voters haven’t gotten that yet.

Nobody will drop out until after Super Tuesday. If Romney gathers the momentum and wins the majority of those states, it will probably be over for Newt and Santorum.


40 posted on 02/29/2012 5:08:15 AM PST by dforest
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To: txrangerette
If only people would wake up...

We wouldn't have this halfrican, mooselimb, communist prick as pResident in the white hut.

41 posted on 02/29/2012 5:09:12 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorists savages.)
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To: ripley; mickie
One of the things that soured me on Glenn Beck was his constant TV show promotion of the appellation, "Progressives" when referring to the enemy within.

The Left hates the terms "liberals", "socialists", "leftists". "communists", "marxists"....i.e., anything that accurately describes these traitors of the Republic.

It's a disservice, an affront and a crime to call them "Progressives" as there's nothing progressive at all about their ideology...only doom, death, desperation and destruction is their end game.....as history has proven over and over again.

Leni

42 posted on 02/29/2012 5:18:17 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: dforest
Your post made me chuckle because all you have to do is change the names around and you get a replay of the Florida debacle for Newt.

Your implicit equivalence of Newt and Rick would make me chuckle, if there were not so much at stake.

Newt is far better qualified for the job. Santorum isn't even good at campaigning, much less on policy and command of the subject matter. He got himself mired in the weeds on social issues and kept on talking. He's like a dog you take hunting and he runs around barking and scaring off all the game. He can't comfortably (or perhaps even competently) address issues like opening American energy, so he defaults to platitudes about Faaamily ( ~ "for the chilllldren" ) like a pandering Dem. And then he draws all the wrong kinds of attention.

43 posted on 02/29/2012 5:18:58 AM PST by Lady Lucky (Gingrich 2012: Open Throttle for America)
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To: nathanbedford

I feel that Newt is opur only chance, but convincing enough others of that is a tough job.

What Newt is proposing is the polar opposite of what Obama is doing.

We can easily see the results of Obama’s policy’s why is there even a shadow of a doubt that we have to rid America of this dork.Obama has to go or America is done for.


44 posted on 02/29/2012 5:31:11 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Lady Lucky

You have one problem. Newt cannot win the nomination. He may win GA, but in many races he polls behind Ron Paul.

Newt has a likability problem. People just don’t like him.
Apparently Santorum has been far better than Newt at campaigning.

Why? Because Santorum is doing better than Newt against Romney. Newt has been skipping states all over the place and has marginalized himself.

When Newt goes into a church to campaign, why, to some of you, thats great....but when Santorum goes into a church...he is bad and Saint Rick. LOL

I know it is hard to make a case when Newt isn’t doing so well in these races. But eventually you have to realize that your are backing a lost cause.


45 posted on 02/29/2012 5:35:04 AM PST by dforest
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To: dforest; Cincinatus' Wife

“We need to look at the situation of gas prices today.”

— Rick Santorum, two days ago.


46 posted on 02/29/2012 5:45:59 AM PST by Lady Lucky (Gingrich 2012: Open Throttle for America)
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To: nathanbedford

Hear, hear.


47 posted on 02/29/2012 5:47:50 AM PST by quickquiver (No, means N O.)
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To: dforest
There really is only one smell test here. It is the fact that Newt and Santorum have been ineffective at attacking Romney.

Newt has been very effective in attacking Obama. Too bad Mitt and Rick are so ham-handed in that regard.

48 posted on 02/29/2012 5:48:35 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Lady Lucky
— Rick Santorum, two days ago.

Imagine if Newt dropped out. How would Rick know what to campaign on?

49 posted on 02/29/2012 5:52:20 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: MinuteGal

“...there’s nothing progresive at all about their ideology...only doom, death, desperation and destruction...”

The problem is that they think they’re bringing paradise to the earth and all their followers follow them like lemmings off the cliff. Unfortunately, they drag everyone else with them.

They are becoming very tiresome, very irritating and aggravating in their pretension and posturing as supreme intellectuals.

IMHO


50 posted on 02/29/2012 5:52:37 AM PST by ripley
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