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Ohio shooter picked victims at random: prosecutor (3rd student dies)
yahoo.com ^ | 2/29/2012 | .yahoo.com

Posted on 02/29/2012 8:53:04 AM PST by dragnet2

"Once in custody Lane was advised of his rights, he confessed to taking the .22 pistol to school along with a knife,"...

"He admitted he fired 10 rounds into a group of students, that he did not know the students, and that he chose them randomly."

He chose his victims at random. This is not about bullying. This is not about drugs," the prosecutor said.

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All the media types looking to somehow excuse these murders, immediately started up their, "He was bullied" campaign.

This was clearly not the case.

1 posted on 02/29/2012 8:53:10 AM PST by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

Something all the media types miss is the one thing that everyone of these school shootings has in common with every other is . . . school. End this outmoded 19th century institution and you end school shootings.


2 posted on 02/29/2012 8:57:35 AM PST by Oratam
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To: dragnet2

There was another article that stated that one of the victims had started to date the shooter’s ex-girlfriend. If accurate, that would indicate that this was not random.


3 posted on 02/29/2012 8:58:00 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Oratam

Lack of parental love is the chief contributor.


4 posted on 02/29/2012 9:00:18 AM PST by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: Oratam

“...school. End this outmoded 19th century institution and you end school shootings.”

And replace it with WHAT?


5 posted on 02/29/2012 9:00:27 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: dragnet2
Maybe it didn't play a role in this case, but I'd still like to know if he was being treated with anti-depressants.
6 posted on 02/29/2012 9:00:44 AM PST by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: dragnet2
As in previous school shootings, the gunman's demons, the missed warning signs and lax US gun laws leapt quickly to the fore.

You knew that was coming.

7 posted on 02/29/2012 9:01:07 AM PST by SandyInSeattle (Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface)
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To: dragnet2; Gilbo_3; hiredhand; stephenjohnbanker; sickoflibs; DoughtyOne; Squantos

That was, actually, the very FIRST thing I heard on the local democrat propaganda organ, KYW1060 radio, when it happened.

“...sources say he was bullied...” Really? Which “sources”??

I was also waiting for them to say “assault rifle”....”30 round clip”....”he reloaded”... “father is a right-winger neo nazi...” etc., etc. You know, all the magic words they use when they’re dancing in the victims’ blood of some tragedy.

It’s almost as if they have this narrative pre-printed and ready to go, and all they have to do is fill in the blanks to suit the circumstances.

Wouldn’t surprise me at all, actually, if it WASN’T pre-scripted and ready to use.


8 posted on 02/29/2012 9:01:33 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs

I disagree. The chief contributer (in my opinion) is this generation’s serious lack of coping skills.


9 posted on 02/29/2012 9:03:44 AM PST by SandyInSeattle (Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface)
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To: SumProVita

How about this...

http://www.wimp.com/selfteaching/


10 posted on 02/29/2012 9:04:26 AM PST by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: SumProVita

I’m just stating the obvious: with no schools, there’d be no school shootings.


11 posted on 02/29/2012 9:06:30 AM PST by Oratam
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To: SumProVita
“...school. End this outmoded 19th century institution and you end school shootings.”

And replace it with WHAT?

Working moms?

12 posted on 02/29/2012 9:08:08 AM PST by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: NFHale; dragnet2; Gilbo_3; hiredhand; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Squantos
Isn't there a law that congress could pass that would stop this sort of thing from happening? Like making murder illegal? Has that ever been tried ?

Democrats :”Execute the guns not the murderer who was forced by the gun to kill

13 posted on 02/29/2012 9:08:11 AM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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To: FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs

“...Lack of parental love is the chief contributor...”

Sometimes it is.

Other times, well, some people are just plain mentally damaged in one way or another, and they snap.

And the real problem is that sometimes there’s no way to tell before it happens. Some people give off signals, but others don’t.

Nobody knows what was in that kid’s head except him.


14 posted on 02/29/2012 9:10:38 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: dragnet2

Probable cause:

1. Sarah Palin’s target symbolism.
2. The school had an overt “zero tolerance” for weapons policy.
3. Large clips.


15 posted on 02/29/2012 9:11:36 AM PST by cicero2k
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To: sickoflibs

Yeah...that’s the ticket...another really, really, really, really, TOUGH gun law would’ve stopped this cold in its tracks...

It’s worked so well before...


16 posted on 02/29/2012 9:12:45 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: dragnet2

Bring up a child in the way he should go...


17 posted on 02/29/2012 9:14:00 AM PST by trailboss800
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To: Oratam
Something all the media types miss is the one thing that everyone of these school shootings has in common with every other is . . . school.

Guns are even more a common factor in school shootings. Get rid of them and no more shootings.

The real question to be asking is why now? Schools and guns were there in the 50s-60s-70s. What's changed?

Two things that come to mind as new now are Global Warming, and vastly more kids on mind-altering prescriptions.

18 posted on 02/29/2012 9:14:59 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (The law was made for one thing alone, for the exploitation of those who don't understand it.)
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To: dragnet2
IMO, The defense prefers crazy to premeditation and the prosecution prefers gun confiscation to justice.

Sad event and a learning opportunity for sadistic cliques.


19 posted on 02/29/2012 9:18:02 AM PST by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: dragnet2

I, too, am weary of everything being blamed on “bullying”.

And when something terrible happens, like this, or a suicide, the police doing the investigating normally keep things quiet, while the know-nothing gossipmongers spread all their expert theories.

In this case - what was wrong with this kid? From the article...

“A picture began to emerge of a troubled boy who lived with his grandfather, his legal guardian, after his dad, who had a history of domestic violence and served time in prison, was warned by police to stay away.
Court records, pored over by the local media, showed both his father and mother had been charged with domestic violence against each other between 1995 and 1997.
The father was later charged with assaulting a police officer and served time in prison after holding a woman’s head under running water and bashing it into a wall, the Cleveland Plain Dealer reported, citing court records.”


20 posted on 02/29/2012 9:19:08 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: Oratam

“I’m just stating the obvious: with no schools, there’d be no school shootings.”

____________________________________

And if we had no homes, there would be no home invasions.

;-/


21 posted on 02/29/2012 9:20:45 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: cicero2k

you got it...if only right wingers could be more civil, this kid wouldn’t have gone over the edge.

I wonder if Sarah will ever apologize for any of this?


22 posted on 02/29/2012 9:21:05 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: dragnet2
.22 pistol

This can't be right. We know from all the banglist posters that a 22 pistol has no stopping power.

23 posted on 02/29/2012 9:23:06 AM PST by aimhigh
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To: SumProVita

maybe if the schools had more teachers like this?
From the article....

“A teacher eventually chased the shooter from the school”


24 posted on 02/29/2012 9:24:41 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: dragnet2
This was clearly not the case.

No - it was obviously the fault of lax gun laws. We need to make it illegal to take guns to school. Then this sort of thing won't happen. < /sarcasm>

25 posted on 02/29/2012 9:28:05 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Oratam
I’m just stating the obvious: with no schools, there’d be no school shootings.

Home schooling, and home shooting?

Seriously, those who really want to homeschool their kids usually do a good job of it. But would kids from broken families or with drugged-out parents really do better staying at home?

Our schools have gone down hill for the past 60 years, but I don't think the solution is to abolish all schools. We need to get the Federal government out of it, abolish the Department of Education, end the teachers' unions, and go back to some sort of local control and funding, with maybe some small-scale state supervision.

26 posted on 02/29/2012 9:28:49 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: NFHale; dragnet2; Gilbo_3; hiredhand; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Squantos; ...
RE :” Yeah...that’s the ticket...another really, really, really, really, TOUGH gun law would’ve stopped this cold in its tracks... It’s worked so well before...

In Maryland Dem gov O Malley took a few constructive steps:
1) You can no longer execute murderers as that would be inhuman as well as violate the 'law of fairness'.
2) After ‘serving their time’ murderers are allowed to vote again, not surprisingly they been voting democrat,

Democrats :” Execute the guns before they force another innocent person to kill

27 posted on 02/29/2012 9:29:16 AM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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To: Twotone

Although there are some good/interesting ideas here for development of teaching strategy, this would hardly replace the geographic school as we know it.

Trust me, as an educator, I definitely favor a complete reform of the educational system we presently have in place.


28 posted on 02/29/2012 9:31:33 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Scotswife

So this kid had, at the very least, one psychotic parent (the dad) and probably grew up watching the father and mother beat the hell out of each other. Who knows what was spinning around in his head or what set this off.

Sad all around...

Sincere prayers up for the families of the kids who were killed. There’s nothing in the world anyone can say to comfort those folks.


29 posted on 02/29/2012 9:35:58 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: sickoflibs

It’s working already then...


30 posted on 02/29/2012 9:37:03 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: trailboss800
Bring up a child in the way he should go...

Sometimes they just go bad I had a friend with two kids - raised more or less the same way. One turned out pretty decent. The other was criminal starting in his preteen years. Started stealing stuff before he turned 12. Was into drugs before he got out of middle school. I'm guessing the kid is either dead or in jail by now.

31 posted on 02/29/2012 9:37:55 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Scotswife

Yes, that too. However, there are MANY things that are needed. When a society loses its understanding of the sacredness of life, traditional loving families, etc., such outcomes are the inevitable result.

(We could study how a history of various government policies have undermined the traditional family here in the United States as well.)

Pray for our nation.


32 posted on 02/29/2012 9:41:38 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: SumProVita
The school system (as I recall my HS experience) is worthless.

I knew how to read and write when I got there and they sat on me for 4 years until I could go to college. They taught me nothing in that 4 years but certainly DID mess with my head.

In the end, I found out that I graduated 3rd out of 253 students and they were on my case daily and almost hourly. I was so glad to get out of there. It took years for me to get right.

33 posted on 02/29/2012 9:42:41 AM PST by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: sickoflibs; NFHale; dragnet2; Gilbo_3; hiredhand; DoughtyOne; Squantos

Confiscate guns? Then he would have likely made a home made bomb, and killed 50-100 kids.

Here is a concept.....some people are just crazy!


34 posted on 02/29/2012 9:44:47 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: NFHale

Sounds like neither of this kid’s parents were around as he was raised by the grandfather’s neighbors?

The media will focus on guns but not personal responsibility or BAD PARENTING.


35 posted on 02/29/2012 9:45:04 AM PST by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: SumProVita

“And replace it with WHAT?”

Private schools and home schools, which have far better outcomes, anyway.


36 posted on 02/29/2012 9:45:32 AM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs

“...The media will focus on guns but not personal responsibility or BAD PARENTING...”

Yes, that’s a given.

It’s what they do, after all.

As I said...they wait around for the moment to dance in innocent blood.


37 posted on 02/29/2012 9:47:39 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: SMARTY

“They taught me nothing in that 4 years but certainly DID mess with my head.”

They generally exist to indoctrinate you as a good fiscal and social liberal.


38 posted on 02/29/2012 9:47:47 AM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

“...some people are just crazy!...”

Got a whole political party full of them that proves your point, brother..


39 posted on 02/29/2012 9:48:46 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Oztrich Boy

“The real question to be asking is why now? Schools and guns were there in the 50s-60s-70s. What’s changed?”

That’s the $64,000 question! We used to have .22 rifles in our cars in the student parking lot in the 1950’s here in Northern California, no one was concerned, and no one got shot. Now, if the school finds a gun in your car, you are off to jail. Simpletons running the schools give you stupid answers, and they do so after listening to their “lawyers.”


40 posted on 02/29/2012 9:50:13 AM PST by vette6387
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To: NFHale

And the other one is Stoopid : )


41 posted on 02/29/2012 9:50:36 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: SMARTY

I believe you. I see this a great deal of the time and it gets progressively (pun intended) worse.

Our public school system has so watered down the educational requirements, that even those with learning disabilities are BORED and unchallenged. This is certainly not the case in *every* school, but it IS the case in the majority.


42 posted on 02/29/2012 9:51:15 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: vette6387

“What’s changed?””

Overall, I’d say that, as a culture, we have increasingly ignored God and His ways. This has removed us from His protection and wisdom in a corresponding variety of ways.


43 posted on 02/29/2012 9:56:07 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
Sounds like neither of this kid’s parents were around as he was raised by the grandfather’s neighbors?

There are tens of thousands of kids raised by people other than their parents. Very few of them end up spree killers. So you can't blame the parenting. This turd is old enough to know the difference between right and wrong, and chose to do wrong. He chose to end the lives of three other people. I hope the try him as an adult, convict the evil worthless POS and execute him. It won't bring back his victims, but then he won't be around to gloat about it. I'm pretty sure Ohio has the death penalty, but as I remember there is some controversy about it,

44 posted on 02/29/2012 9:57:30 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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RE :”Confiscate guns? Then he would have likely made a home made bomb, and killed 50-100 kids.

Michael Moore (not me) would say:
OK, how about regulating the sale of anything flammable much like we do with cough medicine to deter manufacture of crystal meth? How many matches and lighter fluid do you need at one time anyway? You can always go back and get more in a week. Plus they create global warming anyway so you should be eating raw food.

A problem or broken law usually means we have too much freedom as with political speech (Citizens United) or guns, except with abortion and BC and SS sodomy as those are NOW ‘rights’that guarantee they be provided free of charge by you.

Democrats :” Execute the guns before they force another innocent person to kill

45 posted on 02/29/2012 9:58:09 AM PST by sickoflibs (You MUST support the lesser of two RINOs or we all die!)
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To: NFHale

Like when Nancy Pelosi flaunted the passage of the most evil and intrusive government mandate in history with gavel in hand using the black man as a prop to evoke sympathy, and all the media could do was focus on the angry Tea Party “spitters”.


46 posted on 02/29/2012 9:58:16 AM PST by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: Persevero

I like private and/or home schooling but, at this point, it would not be realistic for everyone.


47 posted on 02/29/2012 10:00:21 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Persevero

DITTO! Labor union-controlled teachers intentionally dumbing-down students groomed to become ‘Democrats’.


48 posted on 02/29/2012 10:02:43 AM PST by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: from occupied ga

The State should produce a brief documentary of what he did then show it to all 7th grade classrooms along with his execution by firing squad immediately afterward.


49 posted on 02/29/2012 10:07:26 AM PST by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: I see my hands

I agree with your assessment: they’re going for an insanity plea. Everything I’ve heard reported (I live 10 minutes north of Chardon) shows that the shooter knew his victims. There was one report that the victims also sold the shooter fake drugs last week. This was not a random act of violence.


50 posted on 02/29/2012 10:09:04 AM PST by reegs
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