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The Good News: Rubio's Eligible
American Thinker ^ | July 9, 2011 | Chet Arthur

Posted on 02/29/2012 9:00:57 AM PST by no dems

Conservatives are right to be deeply committed to constitutionalism and to test all government actions against the plumb line of that great charter of liberty. We would never dismiss concerns about the constitutionality of legislation or the eligibility of persons to hold office under that Constitution the way former Speaker Nancy Pelosi dismissed objections to the legitimacy of ObamaCare. The former Speaker looked incredulously at her questioner and said: "Are you serious?" Happily, such disdain for constitutional concerns is one reason why she is the former Speaker of the House.

Don't worry, dear readers -- be happy. The good news for us is that Sen. Marco Rubio is eligible to be elected president in 2012. And so are Bobby Jindal and Nikki Haley. There's been a lot of attention devoted to the original meaning of "natural born citizen of the United States," the governing phrase from Art. II, Sec. 1 of the Constitution. Happily, The Heritage Guide to the Constitution resolves this question for us. Clearly, says this respected source, what the Founders sought to avoid was foreign intrigue, or intriguers, becoming president. Wise Founders. (Too bad they didn't also say "Marxists need not apply.")

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fl; florida; gop; rubio
Read the entire article at the url; this is an excerpt. But, I'll say again, if we don't have Rubio on the ticket to get a big chunk of the Hispanic vote away from the Dems AND to help carry Florida, we need to get ready to be saying "President Obama" for four more years. It used to be Ohio (which is still one of the top 3 players), but now, the conventional wisdom says: Whoever wins Florida, wins the White House.
1 posted on 02/29/2012 9:01:01 AM PST by no dems
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To: no dems

I would rather see Allen West than Rubio for VP, especially since Rubio’s beat down on Newt.


2 posted on 02/29/2012 9:16:38 AM PST by duckman (Go Newt...)
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To: duckman

GOP are usually eager to kiss and make up the moment that dust has settled from the Republican brawl du jour. Something similar happened in the lead-up to the nomination of George W. Bush in 2000.


3 posted on 02/29/2012 9:26:28 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: JulieRNR21; kinganamort; katherineisgreat; floriduh voter; summer; Goldwater Girl; windchime; ...

Florida Freeper


4 posted on 02/29/2012 9:28:47 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: no dems

Chet Arthur is in love with Rubio.

Arthur has written several articles about how wonderful Rubio is. It sounds he has a sexual fixation/attraction on him...Yeck!!!!


5 posted on 02/29/2012 9:29:04 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: no dems

Read the comments and you will see how the article was clearly lacking and wrong. So do we do like liberals and give up on the Constitution for political expediency? Methinks not.


6 posted on 02/29/2012 9:29:16 AM PST by rolling_stone
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To: no dems

Not interested in Mr. Open-Borders Rubio.


7 posted on 02/29/2012 9:29:22 AM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: duckman

Ditto that.
....and eligible, schmeligible....
The bar is officially set so low any anchor baby qualifies.


8 posted on 02/29/2012 9:30:37 AM PST by moehoward
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To: no dems

I will say it again —

In the official copies of the THIRD U.S. Congress (1795) margin notes state “Former act repealed. 1790. ch. 3.” referencing the FIRST U.S. Congress (1790).

The actual text of the THIRD CONGRESS in 1795 states, “...children of citizens [plural = both parents] of the United States...shall be considered citizens of the United States; Provided That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons, whose fathers have never been resident in the United States...” (THIRD CONGRESS Session II. Ch.21. 1795, Approved January 29, 1795, pp. 414-415. Document margin note: “How children shall obtain citizenship through their parents” Document margin note: “Former Act repealed 1790 ch.3.”)

The 1790 act was repealed and replaced by the 1795 act!

NOTE- the 1795 act states
1. children of citizenS of USA shall be considered US citizens.
2. right of citizenship shall NOT descend to persons, whose fathers have never been resident in the United States...!

obozo’s father was neither a USA citizen nor a resident in USA! (he was only a student)

Rubio’s father and mother were NOT citizens of USA at time of his birth!

So
if obozo was really born in USA he can be a US citizen by virtue of his birth place, but he is NOT a nbc!

Rubio was born in USA so he is a USA citizen but he is NOT a nbc and NOT constitutionally elig to be the president of USA!

nbc = born in USA to 2 USA parentS!


9 posted on 02/29/2012 9:45:17 AM PST by chrisnj
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To: no dems

So even before I read the article, YOU must be endorsing that Barry Soetoro, Soebakah, the illegal undocumented alien and usurper is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, in a faked and unConstitutional election, right???


10 posted on 02/29/2012 9:52:03 AM PST by danamco (-)
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To: no dems
Do you have to be born within the territorial limits of the United States to be such a citizen?  No, said the Founders.  The Heritage Foundation's Guide shows how the First Congress in 1790 provided that "the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born." 
 
 
And that right there is where the title of the article fails.  The parents must be citizens, of the United State, in order to have the power to confer citizenry as they would or are under the jurisdiction of the United States with not ties or allegiance to another country.
 
I don't know anything about Nicki's parent's as I don't recall her name being bandied about for Veep, much less President.  Won't happen anyway.
 
As for Jindal, no way that is going to happen and it's to bad.  Terrific man, a true American and a great governor.  But, his parents were not even naturalized before his birth.  They were still citizens of India at the time, so Bobby's citizenship is not Natural Born.  His parents did eventually become citizens of the United States but Bobby is ineligible.
 
As for Rubio, I wish he was eligible.  One of the greatest voices of America and the Republican party.  Still, if his parents citizenship, at the time of his birth, is in doubt then there is no way anyone will support him.
 
We don't have to resort to cheating to win and sometimes we just takes whats we gots and work with it.
 
Doesn't matter if Rubio's parents were His parents were resident aliens when he was born in 1971.
 
That is wholly not a citizenship issue and could be used to describe any type of reason for being here LAWFULLY and residing within the United States border under our laws.  That is they were residing here under asylum rules and laws but, they were absolutely not citizens and could in time of war be called up for conscription by their country of citizenship, Cuba, and fight in that war or be prosecuted for failure to submit to conscrption.
 
Additionally, under international law recognized by both Cuba and the United States, the Rubio's could exert their citizenry and repatriate to Cuba at any time, taking Marco with them.
 
Marco's parents did not become citizens until after his birth and this isn't a "close enough" issue.  That still only applies to hand grenades and horseshoes

 


11 posted on 02/29/2012 9:52:03 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: chrisnj

I have no comment on the nbc question.

I do have a problem with your understanding oc the plural in citizens and parents. Because the object is plural, each member of the set can be singular even with the s.

Example: “The children of heads of state shall be accorded diplomatic immunity” does not imply that any nation has more than one head.


12 posted on 02/29/2012 9:54:07 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (May Mitt Romney be the Paul Tsongas of 2012.)
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To: no dems

BTW, I don’t know who this writer is and I wonder why American Thinker would allow this contrived, synthetic, drivel to be published but his intent is to despoil the field by outright deception.


13 posted on 02/29/2012 9:55:16 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: no dems
This article's definition of "natural born citizen" is the one I find most compelling. His parents were in the U.S. legally and seeking to become naturalized citizens. That his parents had fled Fidel Castro also demonstrates that they owed no allegiance to a foreign power.

I understand that there have been Supreme Court decisions that complicate this; it will be interesting to see how it all works out.

14 posted on 02/29/2012 9:55:55 AM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: no dems

This bozo got hammered in the comments section at American Thinker.

Guy is an ass clown.


15 posted on 02/29/2012 10:01:13 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: no dems

If Rubio, Haley or Jindal ever gets nominated, and I hope all of them will be sooner or later, watch the mainstream media go into a frenzy about their eligibility. They have no shame.


16 posted on 02/29/2012 10:06:31 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("The facts of life are Tory." -- Margaret Thatcher)
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To: BfloGuy

Rubio’s parents left Cuba in 1956. Fidel was hiding out in Mexico - nobody “fled” him at that time.


17 posted on 02/29/2012 10:10:19 AM PST by stormer
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To: no dems

Are you aRINO, hmmm???


18 posted on 02/29/2012 10:12:21 AM PST by danamco (-)
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To: no dems

Regardless of voting for Marco Rubio, we are a “few” who DON’T care what conventional wisdom says. We care about WHAT the Consttitution says. Period!!!


19 posted on 02/29/2012 10:16:00 AM PST by danamco (-)
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To: Dr. Sivana
Don't even bother with these guys they will suck you into a hole of crazy from which there is no escape. Next thing you know you will be arguing about a hypothetical child born to a mother using in vitro fertilization and you will have to determine if the father was a citizen at the time of conception or at the time the sperm was frozen.

There are no legitimate conservative lawyers who will touch any of this with a ten foot pole for very good reason, including the fact that these self "educated" birthers can't comprehend plural sets. Although the eyes of dogs come in sets of two, there are one-eyed dogs. However, there are no eyes which have two dogs.

20 posted on 02/29/2012 10:25:20 AM PST by douginthearmy (Obamagebra: 1 job + 1 hope + 1 change = 0 jobs + 0 hope)
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To: douginthearmy

Thanks for your well-stated points. It makes me wonder if in a different time and place we would hear arguments that MacDuff was not eligible to take the throne as he is not a naturally “born” subject.


21 posted on 02/29/2012 10:31:09 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (May Mitt Romney be the Paul Tsongas of 2012.)
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To: stormer

And apparently his parents returned to Cuba several times after Castro came to power to “assess the situation with the hope of eventually moving back,” Rubio’s office said in a statement.


22 posted on 02/29/2012 10:32:26 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Dr. Sivana

MacDuff?


23 posted on 02/29/2012 10:35:43 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome

Spoiler Alert

In MacBeth, the witches tell King Macbeth of Scotland (who killed Duncan to ultimately take the throne) that he could not be beaten by a man born of a woman. MacDuff, who beheads MacBeth late in the play came into the world through a Caesararean section, and hence was not “born” of a woman.

I was musing that MacDuff, not having been born, could not be a naturally born subject (in a monarchy) nor a naturally born citizen (under a democratic republic).


24 posted on 02/29/2012 11:12:02 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (May Mitt Romney be the Paul Tsongas of 2012.)
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To: no dems

Chet Arthur needs to educate himself a little more on the Natural Born Citizen issue. Neither Rubio nor Jindal pass the eligibility test from the last SCOTUS decision.

If they try to put Rubion on the GOP ticket for 2012 the lawsuits will start up immediately. We don’t need that grief going on in 2012. Allen West is a NBC and just as good if not better VP material than Marco Rubio.


25 posted on 02/29/2012 12:02:51 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: SoConPubbie

Not interested in Mr. Open-Borders Rubio
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Well, are you interested in getting Obozo out of the White House? We can’t win the White House w/o winning Florida. I don’t think we can win Florida without Rubio on the ticket.


26 posted on 02/29/2012 6:55:52 PM PST by no dems (No RINO-Rom, no Kook-Daddy and no "out of touch" Rev. Rick........Gingrich.... YES!!!)
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To: danamco

So even before I read the article, YOU must be endorsing that Barry Soetoro, Soebakah, the illegal undocumented alien and usurper is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, in a faked and unConstitutional election, right???
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No, not at all. And if you wouldn’t ask questions like that, people wouldn’t know just how ignorant you really are.


27 posted on 02/29/2012 6:59:54 PM PST by no dems (No RINO-Rom, no Kook-Daddy and no "out of touch" Rev. Rick........Gingrich.... YES!!!)
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

It sounds he (Chet Arthur) has a sexual fixation/attraction on him (Rubio).
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Hmmmm........ Statements like that could make folks believe that you are confused about your own sexuality.


28 posted on 02/29/2012 7:08:21 PM PST by no dems (No RINO-Rom, no Kook-Daddy and no "out of touch" Rev. Rick........Gingrich.... YES!!!)
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To: danamco

Are you aRINO, hmmm???
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Are you a faggot?


29 posted on 02/29/2012 7:10:56 PM PST by no dems (No RINO-Rom, no Kook-Daddy and no "out of touch" Rev. Rick........Gingrich.... YES!!!)
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To: no dems
Well, are you interested in getting Obozo out of the White House? We can’t win the White House w/o winning Florida. I don’t think we can win Florida without Rubio on the ticket.

Not interested in playing the Boogey-Man coupled with the Lessor of Two Evil games either that the GOP-E plays every four years either.

Try another tact!
30 posted on 02/29/2012 7:57:03 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: no dems

I smell a spoof.

Check out the author’s name.


31 posted on 02/29/2012 8:25:02 PM PST by thecodont
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To: no dems

Rubio has already said he’s not interested, but you’re determined to pi$$ into the wind anyway? Did I get that right?

JC


32 posted on 02/29/2012 8:38:32 PM PST by cracker45
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To: no dems

They all say they’re not interested. They don’t want to appear “power hungry”. Christie says he’s not interested as does Paul Ryan, Bobby Jindal, etc., etc.... I’ve never known one person to say: “Hey, I wanna be Vice President; pick me, pick me.”


33 posted on 03/01/2012 4:45:09 AM PST by no dems (No RINO-Rom, no Kook-Daddy and no "out of touch" Rev. Rick........Gingrich.... YES!!!)
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To: SoConPubbie

Not interested in playing the Boogey-Man coupled with the Lessor of Two Evil games either that the GOP-E plays every four years either.
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Why do we get such crappy candidates, every four years, to choose from?


34 posted on 03/01/2012 4:47:16 AM PST by no dems (No RINO-Rom, no Kook-Daddy and no "out of touch" Rev. Rick........Gingrich.... YES!!!)
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To: no dems
if we don't have Rubio on the ticket

What are Marco Rubio's qualifications for high national office?

What experience has he had with either command or executive responsibility?

35 posted on 03/01/2012 4:47:47 AM PST by Jim Noble ("The Germans: At your feet, or at your throat" - Winston Churchill)
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To: cracker45; All

They all say they’re not interested in the VP spot. They don’t want to appear “power hungry”. Christie says he’s not interested as does Paul Ryan, Bobby Jindal, etc., etc.... I’ve never known one person to say: “Hey, I wanna be Vice President; pick me, pick me.” They’re always playing like they’re “humble”, when God knows they’d take the offer to be VP in a heart beat.


36 posted on 03/01/2012 4:51:06 AM PST by no dems (No RINO-Rom, no Kook-Daddy and no "out of touch" Rev. Rick........Gingrich.... YES!!!)
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To: no dems; All

I have been on this website for a decade and I have NEVER seen so friggin’ many haters in all my life. If someone came on here and said I think Jesus Christ would be a good President or a good VP, most people on here would tear Him down and excoriate me because He would not be a good enough Conservatives in their book. Go ahead, all you haters. Bite your nose off to spite your ugly face. But, in the mean time, practice getting ready to say “President Obama” for the next four years.


37 posted on 03/01/2012 4:59:54 AM PST by no dems (No RINO-Rom, no Kook-Daddy and no "out of touch" Rev. Rick........Gingrich.... YES!!!)
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To: Albion Wilde
"If Rubio, Haley or Jindal ever gets nominated, and I hope all of them will be sooner or later, watch the mainstream media go into a frenzy about their eligibility. They have no shame."

If any of the above are nominated, I will NEVER vote for a republican again.

38 posted on 03/01/2012 5:06:26 AM PST by Godebert (NO PERSON EXCEPT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: no dems

What do you think???

I have still NOT read the article yet, but YOU want a RNC and a NONE NBC on the ballot, to me sounds like from RINO land!!!


39 posted on 03/01/2012 6:24:00 AM PST by danamco (-)
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To: no dems
But, I'll say again, if we don't have Rubio on the ticket to get a big chunk of the Hispanic vote away from the Dems AND to help carry Florida, we need to get ready to be saying "President Obama" for four more years. It used to be Ohio (which is still one of the top 3 players), but now, the conventional wisdom says: Whoever wins Florida, wins the White House.

Before you start spreading more mud, are those words above YOUR's or mine???

Again, "it's about the CONSTITUTION, stupid" as could picture James Carville would have said!!!

40 posted on 03/01/2012 6:34:29 AM PST by danamco (-)
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To: rolling_stone

The author’s nom de plume was chosen because of questions surrounding the ineligibility of Chester Arthur. Too cute by half.

I am really tired of hearing how we need Rubio on the ticket. He’s not yet served two years in the U.S. Senate. That’s as much experience as Obama had, and see where that lack of experience got us.

Dems wanted a black candidate in ‘08; some R’s want an Hispanic candidate in ‘12. Qualifications be damned. How about we just let Rubio get some experience and maturity before shoving him onto a national ticket to suit a demographic?


41 posted on 03/01/2012 6:43:13 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: no dems

OK fine! /s

JC


42 posted on 03/01/2012 9:30:31 PM PST by cracker45
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